France to Spain at 300km/h (186 mph) across the Pyrenees
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Date: 2024-01-09
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-hamlet7959
As someone who lives near Perpignan the small number of services each day means that a Perpignan/Barcelona day trip is an impossibility. So, if people round here want to visit Barcelona they simply get in the car and drive it (particularly now that tolls have been removed from the AP7 autoroute). I occasionally drive over to Figueres-Vilafant and pick up an AVE from there. There's plenty of parking and, as I live closer to the frontier it suits me but my friends in Perpignan consider me mad! Whatever, unless the service frequency improves and the fares are reduced the general feeling here is that if the RENFE/SNCF agreement falls away then tant pis. There was much more enthusiasm when they announced the possibility of a Frecciarossa service from Perpignan to Milan but that seems to have gone cold. Problem seems to have been that the deal to take over the cross-border services by Trenitalia was discussed between Trenitalia and the Generalitat in Barcelona and not the central government in Madrid (while the Generalitat have control of Regional and Rodalies services in Catalonia they apparently don't have control over international services, so this has got bogged down in another argument between the independence-leaning government in Barcelona and the -hated- Spaniards in Madrid and could well fall apart because of it which would be a great shame. Watch this space!
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As someone who lives near Perpignan the small number of services each day means that a Perpignan/Barcelona day trip is an impossibility. So, if people round here want to visit Barcelona they simply get in the car and drive it (particularly now that tolls have been removed from the AP7 autoroute). I occasionally drive over to Figueres-Vilafant and pick up an AVE from there. There's plenty of parking and, as I live closer to the frontier it suits me but my friends in Perpignan consider me mad! Whatever, unless the service frequency improves and the fares are reduced the general feeling here is that if the RENFE/SNCF agreement falls away then tant pis. There was much more enthusiasm when they announced the possibility of a Frecciarossa service from Perpignan to Milan but that seems to have gone cold. Problem seems to have been that the deal to take over the cross-border services by Trenitalia was discussed between Trenitalia and the Generalitat in Barcelona and not the central government in Madrid (while the Generalitat have control of Regional and Rodalies services in Catalonia they apparently don't have control over international services, so this has got bogged down in another argument between the independence-leaning government in Barcelona and the -hated- Spaniards in Madrid and could well fall apart because of it which would be a great shame. Watch this space!
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-kaekae4010
Spain has repeatedly complained to the EU court about the obstacles that SNCF is putting in place to standardize the operation of Talgo trains (that will be operated by renfe) and its Italian counterpart. The liberalization of the Spanish market is much more advanced than the French one, which is a great shame for them.
As for the interoperability between the Iberian gauge and the high-speed gauge('international', there is no problem for us. We have convoys capable of changing the gauge in minutes. It's trivial at this point.
Talgo, on the other hand, is finishing homologating its new AVRIL train that will be operated by RENFE, hopefully it will be seen on the French lines in a short time. If France does not comply with the obligation to liberalize its market, very harsh sanctions will come.
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Spain has repeatedly complained to the EU court about the obstacles that SNCF is putting in place to standardize the operation of Talgo trains (that will be operated by renfe) and its Italian counterpart. The liberalization of the Spanish market is much more advanced than the French one, which is a great shame for them.
As for the interoperability between the Iberian gauge and the high-speed gauge('international', there is no problem for us. We have convoys capable of changing the gauge in minutes. It's trivial at this point.
Talgo, on the other hand, is finishing homologating its new AVRIL train that will be operated by RENFE, hopefully it will be seen on the French lines in a short time. If France does not comply with the obligation to liberalize its market, very harsh sanctions will come.
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Thank you for posting the TGV video.
I was interested in the interior facilities of the train.
I was surprised to find some of her German DB IC3s in Spain.
France SNCF has presented a variety of high-speed trains to custmers.
However, I felt that the 2nd class seats were a little narrow, and the width of the train was also too. Isn't it possible to expand the width of the car a little more if it is a standard gauge? That way, the front and rear width can be a little more spacious.
Anyway, I'm also interested in high speed trains in Europe. I felt like I traveled a little.
Thank you again.
From an otaku who loves JR trains.
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Thank you for posting the TGV video.
I was interested in the interior facilities of the train.
I was surprised to find some of her German DB IC3s in Spain.
France SNCF has presented a variety of high-speed trains to custmers.
However, I felt that the 2nd class seats were a little narrow, and the width of the train was also too. Isn't it possible to expand the width of the car a little more if it is a standard gauge? That way, the front and rear width can be a little more spacious.
Anyway, I'm also interested in high speed trains in Europe. I felt like I traveled a little.
Thank you again.
From an otaku who loves JR trains.
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-donquixote2553
Missed my September/October runs to Girona from Paris. What's happening in December, are they halting the service? When was this filmed? If recently then why is everyone masked up. French government and the lockdown loonies I suppose. Even Fauci has admitted they are a waste of space. Back to the trains. There was talk a few years back about filling the high speed gap between Nimes and Perpignan but I think it wouldn't be cost effective. Double decker lines maybe?
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Missed my September/October runs to Girona from Paris. What's happening in December, are they halting the service? When was this filmed? If recently then why is everyone masked up. French government and the lockdown loonies I suppose. Even Fauci has admitted they are a waste of space. Back to the trains. There was talk a few years back about filling the high speed gap between Nimes and Perpignan but I think it wouldn't be cost effective. Double decker lines maybe?
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-Marco-zt6fz
Great video. France blocked still international travel, but between Germany an Switzerlan, Austria and Italy works realy good. But from France to Spain is realy not good. Spain company wanna, but SNCF holding still on a monopoly, but slowly is crashing the monopoly from SNCF. they know together its better like with the DB, SBB an Frecciarossa. In the future will SNCF also work with Renfe or Ouigo together. Thats brings more Passenger.
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Great video. France blocked still international travel, but between Germany an Switzerlan, Austria and Italy works realy good. But from France to Spain is realy not good. Spain company wanna, but SNCF holding still on a monopoly, but slowly is crashing the monopoly from SNCF. they know together its better like with the DB, SBB an Frecciarossa. In the future will SNCF also work with Renfe or Ouigo together. Thats brings more Passenger.
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-basstrip73
The degradation in the relationship between SNCF and RENFE is due to the EU's idiotic enforced competition and privatization policies that pit rail operators against each other. Rather predictably this scheme usually results in worse service for customers. I also agree that trains should be prioritized over airplane travel. and eight trains on a 1 billion Euro highspeed line? That's just atrocious!
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The degradation in the relationship between SNCF and RENFE is due to the EU's idiotic enforced competition and privatization policies that pit rail operators against each other. Rather predictably this scheme usually results in worse service for customers. I also agree that trains should be prioritized over airplane travel. and eight trains on a 1 billion Euro highspeed line? That's just atrocious!
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-plonss
Looks like another example of how classic train travel has been destroyed. As in planes passengers are transported like cattle in completely closed cramped carriages. I recently travelled with the railways of one of the poorest countries of Europe - Bulgaria. What a joy to have comfortable spacious seats and fresh air coming through open windows.
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Looks like another example of how classic train travel has been destroyed. As in planes passengers are transported like cattle in completely closed cramped carriages. I recently travelled with the railways of one of the poorest countries of Europe - Bulgaria. What a joy to have comfortable spacious seats and fresh air coming through open windows.
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-rezaalan3991
Great trip. I hope this international high speed Train service between France and Spain still exists, even though SNCF and Renfe will be end of collaboration at the end of this year. I think it will be great if Freciarossa also joined in this international high speed Train service from Italy to Spain via France.
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Great trip. I hope this international high speed Train service between France and Spain still exists, even though SNCF and Renfe will be end of collaboration at the end of this year. I think it will be great if Freciarossa also joined in this international high speed Train service from Italy to Spain via France.
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-Dunkcanio
That's the joys of market fragmentation, and the EU packages (driven by the UK) for you.
An integrated service, ran by nationalised countries worked for many, many years, but all being ripped up to create artificial competition.
The train doesn't compete with the train, it competes with the car and plane.
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That's the joys of market fragmentation, and the EU packages (driven by the UK) for you.
An integrated service, ran by nationalised countries worked for many, many years, but all being ripped up to create artificial competition.
The train doesn't compete with the train, it competes with the car and plane.
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-drdoolittle5724
It is thoroughly demoralising how people are travelling on 'old' trains of such quality, speed and distance when the UK spends as much money on transport systems just to go a few miles under London! The UK is totally screwed - no-one will ever travel here at those speeds especially in a doubledecker!
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It is thoroughly demoralising how people are travelling on 'old' trains of such quality, speed and distance when the UK spends as much money on transport systems just to go a few miles under London! The UK is totally screwed - no-one will ever travel here at those speeds especially in a doubledecker!
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-maxster_8989
I rode an Euroduplex two weeks ago and the maintenance was horrible. 1. The folding table was broken 2. The seats were not washed 3. Toilets had broken parts 4. Sun shades were broken 5. There was very little air from the air conditioning. I don't know why SNCF lets their trains fall apart like this.
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I rode an Euroduplex two weeks ago and the maintenance was horrible. 1. The folding table was broken 2. The seats were not washed 3. Toilets had broken parts 4. Sun shades were broken 5. There was very little air from the air conditioning. I don't know why SNCF lets their trains fall apart like this.
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-PeterFriedrich19
There's a simple reason why the train exits the high-speed line so soon. That's the last exit on it before Montpellier, after that the next exit is at the and after the city.
At 12: 13 the other interesting feature of the line is the flying crossover because trains drive on opposite sides.
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There's a simple reason why the train exits the high-speed line so soon. That's the last exit on it before Montpellier, after that the next exit is at the and after the city.
At 12: 13 the other interesting feature of the line is the flying crossover because trains drive on opposite sides.
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-Bertie_Ahern
I hope they introduce 3 storey trains soon. If you also had 12 coaches, that would give you effectively 36 carriages, and that would be enough to support some shops and restaurants, maybe a gym and pool, even an open terrace to enjoy a cocktail in the sun while travelling.
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I hope they introduce 3 storey trains soon. If you also had 12 coaches, that would give you effectively 36 carriages, and that would be enough to support some shops and restaurants, maybe a gym and pool, even an open terrace to enjoy a cocktail in the sun while travelling.
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-fakerating
Anyone under 40, in the old days, we had to change trains at the border, between narrow and wide Spanish gauge tracks. It added over an hour, was usually done in the middle of the night, you had to go through full customs and immigration, and was really annoying.
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Anyone under 40, in the old days, we had to change trains at the border, between narrow and wide Spanish gauge tracks. It added over an hour, was usually done in the middle of the night, you had to go through full customs and immigration, and was really annoying.
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-AlvaroLR
One thing to note about the high speed line thru the pyrenees is that when high speed trains go along cargo ones, they dont go at full speed for safety reasons (the air displaced by the hst ones cause problems for the cargo ones, so they run at 200km/h max IIRC
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One thing to note about the high speed line thru the pyrenees is that when high speed trains go along cargo ones, they dont go at full speed for safety reasons (the air displaced by the hst ones cause problems for the cargo ones, so they run at 200km/h max IIRC
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-gab_v250
A high speed night train between (even Benelux) Paris and Madrid (or Seville) would be really cool. Would be the first high speed sleeper train in the west (there already exist some in China, but they have such a vast network it was almost mandatory. -)
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A high speed night train between (even Benelux) Paris and Madrid (or Seville) would be really cool. Would be the first high speed sleeper train in the west (there already exist some in China, but they have such a vast network it was almost mandatory. -)
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-lesliecaudill5720
I've watched your videos for some time now, and enjoy them very much! I wish we had extensive passenger service in the USA. By the way, I like how you try to respect others' privacy by not videoing their faces any more than necessary.
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I've watched your videos for some time now, and enjoy them very much! I wish we had extensive passenger service in the USA. By the way, I like how you try to respect others' privacy by not videoing their faces any more than necessary.
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-ronclark9724
A major problem with HSR is the time to distance limit factor of around three hours. Any train journey beyond three hours no matter the speed loses the market share competition significantly with the airlines. This applies worldwide.
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A major problem with HSR is the time to distance limit factor of around three hours. Any train journey beyond three hours no matter the speed loses the market share competition significantly with the airlines. This applies worldwide.
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-thierrypauwels
300 km/h? When I took the train from Perpignan to Barcelona, the train did not go any faster than 190 km/h. At first I thought it was because of the Perthus tunnel, and that it would accelerate after the tunnel, but it did not.
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300 km/h? When I took the train from Perpignan to Barcelona, the train did not go any faster than 190 km/h. At first I thought it was because of the Perthus tunnel, and that it would accelerate after the tunnel, but it did not.
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-trainlagged
Best part in a Duplex: coach 1 or 8 (extremity) on top deck. Quiet since all the families go on the lower deck, but crucially no one has any reason to walk through your carriage. So it-s nice and calm. Great video as always -
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Best part in a Duplex: coach 1 or 8 (extremity) on top deck. Quiet since all the families go on the lower deck, but crucially no one has any reason to walk through your carriage. So it-s nice and calm. Great video as always -
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-scottyerkes1867
Interesting video. Nice array of scenery
Station at Mimes is a classic. I would sit in upper level. LIRR and NJ Transit commuter trains offer bi level service and I usually sit up stairs.
Thanks Thibault. ---
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Interesting video. Nice array of scenery
Station at Mimes is a classic. I would sit in upper level. LIRR and NJ Transit commuter trains offer bi level service and I usually sit up stairs.
Thanks Thibault. ---
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-ramiro041
The fact that 299 km are covered in 3 hs should tell you that this isn't running at 300kmh otherwise it would take and hour, high speed rail in Europe is not a consistent, it is spotty and mixed use
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The fact that 299 km are covered in 3 hs should tell you that this isn't running at 300kmh otherwise it would take and hour, high speed rail in Europe is not a consistent, it is spotty and mixed use
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To answer your question about levels on TGV Duplex.
Lower level is quieter and there is more space for legs. Roof is a bit higher.
Upper level has better view but I don't really care about that.
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To answer your question about levels on TGV Duplex.
Lower level is quieter and there is more space for legs. Roof is a bit higher.
Upper level has better view but I don't really care about that.
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-ncard00
3 hours to travel 300km with a 300km/h train? Never understood these travels times with high speed trains. A 200km/h S-train like accelerating train could do this trip way faster, so embarrasing.
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3 hours to travel 300km with a 300km/h train? Never understood these travels times with high speed trains. A 200km/h S-train like accelerating train could do this trip way faster, so embarrasing.
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-brianmiles780
I concur - TGV duplex both first class and economy feels cramped, and from an Australian perspective it also puzzles me why there are relatively few trains between France and Espana!
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I concur - TGV duplex both first class and economy feels cramped, and from an Australian perspective it also puzzles me why there are relatively few trains between France and Espana!
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-AndrewG1989
300km/h (186mph) is very impressive and fast. Was thinking if HS2 trains could go up to 300km/h or 320km/h (198mph) which is just close to 321km/h (200mph. Once HS2 is completed.
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300km/h (186mph) is very impressive and fast. Was thinking if HS2 trains could go up to 300km/h or 320km/h (198mph) which is just close to 321km/h (200mph. Once HS2 is completed.
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-davidefilipi9247
Hi, why you don't do a little tour of the arrival station like the one at the start, i think it complete the trip, from station to station. By the way, great video as always
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Hi, why you don't do a little tour of the arrival station like the one at the start, i think it complete the trip, from station to station. By the way, great video as always
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-christycruz2633
I'm a little late to the party, but had to stop the video at the seat tour. Selfishly, I love that you are still rockin' the ball cap from Colorado! OK, back to the train.
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I'm a little late to the party, but had to stop the video at the seat tour. Selfishly, I love that you are still rockin' the ball cap from Colorado! OK, back to the train.
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Always look forward to your latest production - Hopefully the changes at the top of SNCF may introduce some logic, customer focus and logic in it's local and international services?
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Always look forward to your latest production - Hopefully the changes at the top of SNCF may introduce some logic, customer focus and logic in it's local and international services?
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-BenSussmanpro
I really enjoy all your rail videos. Can you tell me if it is convenient to get from the Madrid Aeroport to Valencia via train? What would be the best rail line to take?
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I really enjoy all your rail videos. Can you tell me if it is convenient to get from the Madrid Aeroport to Valencia via train? What would be the best rail line to take?
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-samtrak1204
The 6+ hours TGV journey between Paris and Barcelona prevents a morning arrival at either city. I'd love to see a Paris-Barcelona-Madrid overnight train to fill the void.
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The 6+ hours TGV journey between Paris and Barcelona prevents a morning arrival at either city. I'd love to see a Paris-Barcelona-Madrid overnight train to fill the void.
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-fredcookerly9385
The EU should make it mandatory to have direct routes between, at a minimum, capital cities. Overnight trains would be perfect. I can't imagine it would lose money.
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The EU should make it mandatory to have direct routes between, at a minimum, capital cities. Overnight trains would be perfect. I can't imagine it would lose money.
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-ebbeb9827
i dont like the privatisation of train journeys in the EU. Ideally each country has their own public railway company and cooperates with others to run cross border services
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i dont like the privatisation of train journeys in the EU. Ideally each country has their own public railway company and cooperates with others to run cross border services
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-abelsuisse9671
I miss the old Talgo linking Catalonia with Switzerland, which was removed partly as a result of the construction of the HSR rail. I hope they bring it back soon!
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I miss the old Talgo linking Catalonia with Switzerland, which was removed partly as a result of the construction of the HSR rail. I hope they bring it back soon!
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-El-Mengu
What you refer to as a -Spanish style catenary- is the C-350 model, used on most Spanish high speed lines and some newly built or upgraded conventional lines.
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What you refer to as a -Spanish style catenary- is the C-350 model, used on most Spanish high speed lines and some newly built or upgraded conventional lines.
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