Microclimates - Sudden climatic shifts over just a few miles
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Date: 2024-01-04
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What you described about what happens during winter and what happens about mountains was something that I have experience yet couldn't understand. -
Down hill during winter, or even summer, the streets and main thoroughfare are quite -warmer- and there is a bit of a fog that occurs just in between the slope of the hill especially around spring and autumn. The -hill- is steep yet, I won't call it a big mountain; it's significant enough to cause a bit of a temperature difference. The hill does form a ridge that goes eastwardly for a couple of miles; the main thoroughfare is appropriately named Hillside.
Up hill where most of the houses are the temperature is cool or colder but comfortable, there is also more trees but I am not sure if that is the main influence. It can be bitter cold throughout the neighborhood regardless yet the coolness in winter is like a sweet kiss of cold and not bitter or biting cold compared to down hill.
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What you described about what happens during winter and what happens about mountains was something that I have experience yet couldn't understand. -
Down hill during winter, or even summer, the streets and main thoroughfare are quite -warmer- and there is a bit of a fog that occurs just in between the slope of the hill especially around spring and autumn. The -hill- is steep yet, I won't call it a big mountain; it's significant enough to cause a bit of a temperature difference. The hill does form a ridge that goes eastwardly for a couple of miles; the main thoroughfare is appropriately named Hillside.
Up hill where most of the houses are the temperature is cool or colder but comfortable, there is also more trees but I am not sure if that is the main influence. It can be bitter cold throughout the neighborhood regardless yet the coolness in winter is like a sweet kiss of cold and not bitter or biting cold compared to down hill.
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-teypriest3466
I wouldn't quite call this a microclimate, but the Wairarapa Valley in New Zealand is significantly hotter than the city of Wellington, about an hour drive away. Between the Wairarapa Valley and the Hutt Valley is the Remutaka Hill Pass, where I have gone from total fog and 13c in the Hutt Valley (satellite city of Wellington) to sudden clear blue skies 25c in the Wairarapa. A less extreme example can be said for the west of the Tararua Ranges to the west of the valley, where towns like Levin and Palmerston North are cooler and cloudier than Masterton and Carterton, and on some occasions if it is sunny in the Wairarapa and you look west, you can see a massive wall of clouds on the Tararua ranges.
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I wouldn't quite call this a microclimate, but the Wairarapa Valley in New Zealand is significantly hotter than the city of Wellington, about an hour drive away. Between the Wairarapa Valley and the Hutt Valley is the Remutaka Hill Pass, where I have gone from total fog and 13c in the Hutt Valley (satellite city of Wellington) to sudden clear blue skies 25c in the Wairarapa. A less extreme example can be said for the west of the Tararua Ranges to the west of the valley, where towns like Levin and Palmerston North are cooler and cloudier than Masterton and Carterton, and on some occasions if it is sunny in the Wairarapa and you look west, you can see a massive wall of clouds on the Tararua ranges.
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-mattcolver1
I experienced the big change in temp due to micro climates while working at Vandenberg Space Force Base. Some of the launch complexes are positioned out on the triangle shaped peninsula you can see plainly on any map of California. The complexes are surrounded on 3 sides by the cold Pacific Ocean. That area was actually chosen due to the frequent fog which kept Soviet spy satellites from monitoring what's going on. I was there working and it was foggy, drizzly, and just plain cold, miserable. Probably in the 50s-60s F. At the end of the day I drove to my hotel in Buellton about 20-30 miles east and it was 106 degrees F.
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I experienced the big change in temp due to micro climates while working at Vandenberg Space Force Base. Some of the launch complexes are positioned out on the triangle shaped peninsula you can see plainly on any map of California. The complexes are surrounded on 3 sides by the cold Pacific Ocean. That area was actually chosen due to the frequent fog which kept Soviet spy satellites from monitoring what's going on. I was there working and it was foggy, drizzly, and just plain cold, miserable. Probably in the 50s-60s F. At the end of the day I drove to my hotel in Buellton about 20-30 miles east and it was 106 degrees F.
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-mo_1010
I experienced this during my vacation in California. We flew into San Diego where highs were in the low 70s at most, meanwhile just across the mountains on our drive to Palm Springs was desert with highs in the 110s. I went from shivering on the beach in the beginning to melting in the desert at the end.
Edit: Also experienced this in Arizona. In Sedona it was 95 degrees, get in the car for 40 mins to go to Flagstaff and you're surrounded by pine trees and temps in the low 80s. In winter theres feet of snow in Flagstaff, and hot and dry weather in Sedona
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I experienced this during my vacation in California. We flew into San Diego where highs were in the low 70s at most, meanwhile just across the mountains on our drive to Palm Springs was desert with highs in the 110s. I went from shivering on the beach in the beginning to melting in the desert at the end.
Edit: Also experienced this in Arizona. In Sedona it was 95 degrees, get in the car for 40 mins to go to Flagstaff and you're surrounded by pine trees and temps in the low 80s. In winter theres feet of snow in Flagstaff, and hot and dry weather in Sedona
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-Accentor100
I've lived in the Bay Area and San Diego. Bay Area microclimates can be very pronouced. You don't have to go all the way to Tracy to see this change. You could start at Berkeley where it may be 68 on a summer day and just to to Concord beyond the hills and it will be in the mid 90s. The Bay Area does microclimate forecasts too. In fact all three big metros in CA do. I work in HVAC in San Diego and two houses the same size often require distinctly different AC systems depending on where they are in relation to the ocean.
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I've lived in the Bay Area and San Diego. Bay Area microclimates can be very pronouced. You don't have to go all the way to Tracy to see this change. You could start at Berkeley where it may be 68 on a summer day and just to to Concord beyond the hills and it will be in the mid 90s. The Bay Area does microclimate forecasts too. In fact all three big metros in CA do. I work in HVAC in San Diego and two houses the same size often require distinctly different AC systems depending on where they are in relation to the ocean.
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-pdruiz2005
I experienced a bit of a microclimate when I went trekking through the Himalayas. We started at the bottom, in a muggy, wet climate with thick forests and that varied from 65 F to 85 F in temperature. Travel only about 15 miles, and you were suddenly in a very dry, sunny and windy climate where there were rock fields and ice everywhere, with temperatures barely getting above 35 F. It was quite a trippy contrast, to go from tropical jungle to the Arctic in such a short distance.
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I experienced a bit of a microclimate when I went trekking through the Himalayas. We started at the bottom, in a muggy, wet climate with thick forests and that varied from 65 F to 85 F in temperature. Travel only about 15 miles, and you were suddenly in a very dry, sunny and windy climate where there were rock fields and ice everywhere, with temperatures barely getting above 35 F. It was quite a trippy contrast, to go from tropical jungle to the Arctic in such a short distance.
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fun-facts
Topography and the presence of other water bodies are huge factors in microclimates, too. The microclimates here in the Bay Area are controlled by three factors: proximity to the ocean, proximity to the bay and the presence or absence of hills and mountains. Elevation and plant cover are not significant factors at all here, although the highest peaks, Mt. Diablo, Mt. Hamilton, Mt. Tamalpais, and a few others, might get dusted with snow, rather than rain in the coldest months.
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Topography and the presence of other water bodies are huge factors in microclimates, too. The microclimates here in the Bay Area are controlled by three factors: proximity to the ocean, proximity to the bay and the presence or absence of hills and mountains. Elevation and plant cover are not significant factors at all here, although the highest peaks, Mt. Diablo, Mt. Hamilton, Mt. Tamalpais, and a few others, might get dusted with snow, rather than rain in the coldest months.
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-stevekluth9060
Door County Wisconsin is between Lake Michigan and Green Bay, which significantly moderates the climate to the point that commercial fruit orchards for cherries and grapes can be found. Being between two bodies of water means that a not only avoids the extreme temperatures of summer and winter but usually escapes late spring and early fall frosts. A more well known example of Great Lakes microclimate are the lake-effect snow bands east of the lakes, especially Buffalo.
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Door County Wisconsin is between Lake Michigan and Green Bay, which significantly moderates the climate to the point that commercial fruit orchards for cherries and grapes can be found. Being between two bodies of water means that a not only avoids the extreme temperatures of summer and winter but usually escapes late spring and early fall frosts. A more well known example of Great Lakes microclimate are the lake-effect snow bands east of the lakes, especially Buffalo.
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-DogFoxHybrid
Living in Los Angeles' San Fernando Valley, the inland vs coastal temperture difference is normal to me. Of course it's always cooler by the coast in the summer and sometimes a bit warmer in the winters. Plus, we also have elevational differences with the nearby San Bernandino mountains. I've definitely heard of San Francisco being in a microclimate, but never the Southern California cities. SD is also well known to be much milder than LA in terms of climate extremes.
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Living in Los Angeles' San Fernando Valley, the inland vs coastal temperture difference is normal to me. Of course it's always cooler by the coast in the summer and sometimes a bit warmer in the winters. Plus, we also have elevational differences with the nearby San Bernandino mountains. I've definitely heard of San Francisco being in a microclimate, but never the Southern California cities. SD is also well known to be much milder than LA in terms of climate extremes.
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-hughmungus5529
I've experienced this on the black sea coast, the flora and enviroment change over very small distances, what shocked me the most, was the area around Varna in Bulgaria, it has a vastly different vibe (i'm no expert please be charitable with my explanations) to the coastline of Romania, my home country, being only about a hundred kilometres apart, Varna almost felt mediteranean, meanwhile the romanian coast has a much more regular termperate european climate
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I've experienced this on the black sea coast, the flora and enviroment change over very small distances, what shocked me the most, was the area around Varna in Bulgaria, it has a vastly different vibe (i'm no expert please be charitable with my explanations) to the coastline of Romania, my home country, being only about a hundred kilometres apart, Varna almost felt mediteranean, meanwhile the romanian coast has a much more regular termperate european climate
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fun-facts
The two biggest I experienced that are not ocean microclimates are Alamogordo NM to Cloudcroft NM it is a 20 min drive it goes from a hot desert in Alamogordo to a wet cool mountain town that gets 36- of precip in Cloudcroft. Cloudcroft has very large conifer trees and an outdoor ice rink in the town! Number 2 is Reno to the Mt Rose Ski resort. That is a 30 min drive and the precip goes from 7 inches in Reno to 50+ Inches on the Western slope of Mt Rose!
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The two biggest I experienced that are not ocean microclimates are Alamogordo NM to Cloudcroft NM it is a 20 min drive it goes from a hot desert in Alamogordo to a wet cool mountain town that gets 36- of precip in Cloudcroft. Cloudcroft has very large conifer trees and an outdoor ice rink in the town! Number 2 is Reno to the Mt Rose Ski resort. That is a 30 min drive and the precip goes from 7 inches in Reno to 50+ Inches on the Western slope of Mt Rose!
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-SJDvalientes
I grew up in LA and was endlessly fascinated by our daily 5-6 weather forecasts (LA/OC Metro, Beaches, Mountains, Inland Empire, High Desert +/- Low Desert) and I was always grateful I lived on the cool coast while the deserts baked in 100F+ heat, though I also got jealous when the mountains got snow. The mountains and canyons also create unique fire weather conditions. Must be fascinating to be a meteorologist (or location scout) in LA.
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I grew up in LA and was endlessly fascinated by our daily 5-6 weather forecasts (LA/OC Metro, Beaches, Mountains, Inland Empire, High Desert +/- Low Desert) and I was always grateful I lived on the cool coast while the deserts baked in 100F+ heat, though I also got jealous when the mountains got snow. The mountains and canyons also create unique fire weather conditions. Must be fascinating to be a meteorologist (or location scout) in LA.
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-iamsandrewsmith
I live in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania (Dfa hot summer humid continental climate. No microclimate here to speak of -- indeed, I can count on the weather to be pretty much the same everywhere within a day's drive -- but there is a local saying, -If you don't like the weather, wait five minutes. - I'm fascinated, though, by places like southern California, where one might say, -If you don't like the weather, drive five miles. -
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I live in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania (Dfa hot summer humid continental climate. No microclimate here to speak of -- indeed, I can count on the weather to be pretty much the same everywhere within a day's drive -- but there is a local saying, -If you don't like the weather, wait five minutes. - I'm fascinated, though, by places like southern California, where one might say, -If you don't like the weather, drive five miles. -
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-homershimshon4172
Sydney is a prominent example as well, but only in spring and summer. The coast will be around 24C and the inland suburbs, just 25km away from the coast, will be above 35C. More extreme cases can occur.
In winter though, there is the foehn effect in the southeast coast of Australia. Sydney will be sunny and 20C, while the areas on the western slopes of the great dividing range will be below 5C and rainy or snowy.
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Sydney is a prominent example as well, but only in spring and summer. The coast will be around 24C and the inland suburbs, just 25km away from the coast, will be above 35C. More extreme cases can occur.
In winter though, there is the foehn effect in the southeast coast of Australia. Sydney will be sunny and 20C, while the areas on the western slopes of the great dividing range will be below 5C and rainy or snowy.
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-HotDogLaws
driving down the 101 from san francisco to LA, you alternate between being in the coastal zone and the inland zone. one time I did that drive in a car with no working AC, and the temperature alternated between -70 degrees and foggy in the coastal sections and 105 degrees with zero wind in the inland sections. I was practically hanging out the side window to dry myself off after sweating my ass off every time we went inland
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driving down the 101 from san francisco to LA, you alternate between being in the coastal zone and the inland zone. one time I did that drive in a car with no working AC, and the temperature alternated between -70 degrees and foggy in the coastal sections and 105 degrees with zero wind in the inland sections. I was practically hanging out the side window to dry myself off after sweating my ass off every time we went inland
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-sandyt8981
I live in the San Fernando Valley in Los Angeles. It's so interesting to drive from here to West L. A. on the 405 with your arm out the window to register the temperature change! It was 104 F here today (mid-August) and only 85 F in Malibu, which of course, is on the coast. Earlier this summer the coast was completely cloudy and dreary, but drive ten minutes inland and the sun is out. This region is so interesting.
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I live in the San Fernando Valley in Los Angeles. It's so interesting to drive from here to West L. A. on the 405 with your arm out the window to register the temperature change! It was 104 F here today (mid-August) and only 85 F in Malibu, which of course, is on the coast. Earlier this summer the coast was completely cloudy and dreary, but drive ten minutes inland and the sun is out. This region is so interesting.
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-MorganBrown
Gunnison, Colorado is notoriously cold, as it's in a valley of sorts. I remember driving through Gunnison once and the air temperature was -17 deg F. After going over Monarch Pass and dropping into Salida, the air temperature was +42 deg F. The distance from Gunnison to Salida is 65 miles, but the temperature change happened over a -40 mile distance. The two towns are at roughly the same elevation.
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Gunnison, Colorado is notoriously cold, as it's in a valley of sorts. I remember driving through Gunnison once and the air temperature was -17 deg F. After going over Monarch Pass and dropping into Salida, the air temperature was +42 deg F. The distance from Gunnison to Salida is 65 miles, but the temperature change happened over a -40 mile distance. The two towns are at roughly the same elevation.
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-simonadams5073
I remember as a kid talking to some friends of my parents who lived in the suburbs of LA. They were telling us that the previous Christmas Day they had been on the beach for a barbecue for lunch and in the afternoon they drove for, I think, half an hour or so and went skiing. I couldn-t understand how this could be but apparently it was true. Must be awesome to live somewhere with such variety.
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I remember as a kid talking to some friends of my parents who lived in the suburbs of LA. They were telling us that the previous Christmas Day they had been on the beach for a barbecue for lunch and in the afternoon they drove for, I think, half an hour or so and went skiing. I couldn-t understand how this could be but apparently it was true. Must be awesome to live somewhere with such variety.
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North Vancouver and Richmond both directly North and south of Vancouver and about 10km apart as the crow flies have drastically different weather. Richmond being in a flat river delta gets sunny and warm weather while North Van nestled up against large mountains, gets all the rain and cooler weather at the same time. Such a shocking difference. Sometimes just 2 km from North Van has sunnier weather
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North Vancouver and Richmond both directly North and south of Vancouver and about 10km apart as the crow flies have drastically different weather. Richmond being in a flat river delta gets sunny and warm weather while North Van nestled up against large mountains, gets all the rain and cooler weather at the same time. Such a shocking difference. Sometimes just 2 km from North Van has sunnier weather
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-jessturner6886
Sheffield, UK is an interesting example of microclimates. Sheffield is built on large hills-The higher neighborhoods get more snow and are noticeably cooler in general than the lower areas (less than 1 km away in some cases. And the higher elevations to the west create a -rain shadow- for parts of the city. We get a lot of clouds, even a lot of rainbows, but not that much actual rain.
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Sheffield, UK is an interesting example of microclimates. Sheffield is built on large hills-The higher neighborhoods get more snow and are noticeably cooler in general than the lower areas (less than 1 km away in some cases. And the higher elevations to the west create a -rain shadow- for parts of the city. We get a lot of clouds, even a lot of rainbows, but not that much actual rain.
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-kittryncarryon
I grew up in the California Bay Area. When I would visit cousins in update New York I was always thrilled by the massive summer thunderstorms that were rare in the Bay. I-m turn they would always seem so amazed at our microclimates. It wasn-t until now that I realized how weird they really are. Until I grew up and really got away from home I thought that it was like that everywhere.
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I grew up in the California Bay Area. When I would visit cousins in update New York I was always thrilled by the massive summer thunderstorms that were rare in the Bay. I-m turn they would always seem so amazed at our microclimates. It wasn-t until now that I realized how weird they really are. Until I grew up and really got away from home I thought that it was like that everywhere.
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-mitch_the_-itch
The Nasty Communists and Fascists use the Climate to implement Communism and Fascism. A microclimate doesn't mean they want less Commie/Fascism, it means they want more. San Franshitco is a perfect example. The Commie/Fascist left steals your money, business and ability to live then puts you into their Microclimate of Communism. That is all the -climate - is all about anymore.
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The Nasty Communists and Fascists use the Climate to implement Communism and Fascism. A microclimate doesn't mean they want less Commie/Fascism, it means they want more. San Franshitco is a perfect example. The Commie/Fascist left steals your money, business and ability to live then puts you into their Microclimate of Communism. That is all the -climate - is all about anymore.
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-boodashaka2841
The tree shown for Plockton is the Ti Kouka or Cabbage Tree from here in NZ and whilst not a palm, it does look fairly tropical to people in the U. K. I've heard it grows quite far north in Norway in a certain fjord as well. It's funny and neat to me that people on basically the complete other side of the world see the same plant as me but call it a Torquay Palm or similar: )
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The tree shown for Plockton is the Ti Kouka or Cabbage Tree from here in NZ and whilst not a palm, it does look fairly tropical to people in the U. K. I've heard it grows quite far north in Norway in a certain fjord as well. It's funny and neat to me that people on basically the complete other side of the world see the same plant as me but call it a Torquay Palm or similar: )
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-putalaweaweonoh
In Chile we have a a ridiculously high density of microclimates. And that is mosly because of the 2 paralel mountain ranges: the Andes, and the mountain range of the Coast, on top of that we also have transverse mountain ranges in almost all of our geography. 20 minutes drives usually means that you should be prepared for 2 different climates. hahaha!
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In Chile we have a a ridiculously high density of microclimates. And that is mosly because of the 2 paralel mountain ranges: the Andes, and the mountain range of the Coast, on top of that we also have transverse mountain ranges in almost all of our geography. 20 minutes drives usually means that you should be prepared for 2 different climates. hahaha!
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-RyRy2057
I live in Daly City, California, essentially part of San Francisco, and my house is only one ridge behind the coast so it's 55 degrees and foggy during the Summer, but go just across the Peninsula and it's more like 65 degrees, and go across the Bay it's more like 75 degrees, and go behind a couple more hills it gets to the 80s, 90s, even triple digits!
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I live in Daly City, California, essentially part of San Francisco, and my house is only one ridge behind the coast so it's 55 degrees and foggy during the Summer, but go just across the Peninsula and it's more like 65 degrees, and go across the Bay it's more like 75 degrees, and go behind a couple more hills it gets to the 80s, 90s, even triple digits!
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-bodaciouscowboy
The Olympic Peninsula of Washington has some interesting microclimates. The northwestern side is the wettest place in the mainland U. S, receiving over 100 inches (2540 mm) of precipitation per year. But the northeastern corner of the peninsula, in the rain shadow of the Olympic mountains, averages less than 17 inches!
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The Olympic Peninsula of Washington has some interesting microclimates. The northwestern side is the wettest place in the mainland U. S, receiving over 100 inches (2540 mm) of precipitation per year. But the northeastern corner of the peninsula, in the rain shadow of the Olympic mountains, averages less than 17 inches!
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-badpiggies988
The reason why certain places in the American pacific northwest like Forks, Mt. Rainier rarely ever get wildfires unlike most forested areas is that those are the only areas whose summers aren-t bone-dry. And Seattle is always cooler than its inland suburbs in the summer, and warmer than them in the winter.
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The reason why certain places in the American pacific northwest like Forks, Mt. Rainier rarely ever get wildfires unlike most forested areas is that those are the only areas whose summers aren-t bone-dry. And Seattle is always cooler than its inland suburbs in the summer, and warmer than them in the winter.
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-warrenpeece1726
I lived in SF, a mile from the ocean on top of a sand dune. No A/C necessary. In fact, in my 11 years there we had one day at 90-deg. And not many more than that at 80. Cool and foggy all summer while my previous hometowns - SJ and Livermore - were 100. And warmer in the winter. I miss it!
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I lived in SF, a mile from the ocean on top of a sand dune. No A/C necessary. In fact, in my 11 years there we had one day at 90-deg. And not many more than that at 80. Cool and foggy all summer while my previous hometowns - SJ and Livermore - were 100. And warmer in the winter. I miss it!
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I used to live in a hot area in Brazil, bought a house 25km away, a thousand meters higher above sea level. Here is much colder and there is no accumulation of hot humid air. This mountain I'm in also provides a rain shadow to the city, which helps it being hot and not raining all that much.
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I used to live in a hot area in Brazil, bought a house 25km away, a thousand meters higher above sea level. Here is much colder and there is no accumulation of hot humid air. This mountain I'm in also provides a rain shadow to the city, which helps it being hot and not raining all that much.
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Hawaii. Our state is very complex and our climate is purely dependant on the Pacific Ocean. If our ocean changes, so does our State. Our climate here is ever changing and ever stagnant, and is dependant on the rest of the world to be as diverse as it was before humans descovered it.
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Hawaii. Our state is very complex and our climate is purely dependant on the Pacific Ocean. If our ocean changes, so does our State. Our climate here is ever changing and ever stagnant, and is dependant on the rest of the world to be as diverse as it was before humans descovered it.
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-matthewsecord7641
This bye ne'er been to Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, or Maine. ANY place in this small area geographicly knows this. It's EASILY -20C in Bangor and +10C in Halifax, and vice versa.
Recommendation to the content creator to visit the lands of the world's highest tides.
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This bye ne'er been to Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, or Maine. ANY place in this small area geographicly knows this. It's EASILY -20C in Bangor and +10C in Halifax, and vice versa.
Recommendation to the content creator to visit the lands of the world's highest tides.
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fun-facts
During winter of 2022 I went from Jericho to Tel Aviv, passing Jerusalem on my way- a total of 1. 5 hours. I literally went from a dry desert to snowy white Jerusalem and then to pouring rain in Tel Aviv, all in a matter of 40 minutes in between each one. Truly amazing
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During winter of 2022 I went from Jericho to Tel Aviv, passing Jerusalem on my way- a total of 1. 5 hours. I literally went from a dry desert to snowy white Jerusalem and then to pouring rain in Tel Aviv, all in a matter of 40 minutes in between each one. Truly amazing
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-Lana-pf5ce
I-m from hawai-i, and you can drive from super wet forests on the east side to desert-like conditions on the west side. And on the higher parts of Mauna Kea and Mauna Loa (at least in February) you can experience snow and see the tropical oceans at the same time
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I-m from hawai-i, and you can drive from super wet forests on the east side to desert-like conditions on the west side. And on the higher parts of Mauna Kea and Mauna Loa (at least in February) you can experience snow and see the tropical oceans at the same time
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-klaasdeboer8106
I live just east of the center of amsterdam and I am succesfully growing pinot noir and riessling grapes in my garden, When I jump on my bike over the water 15 minutes north, about 4 kilometer as the crow flies, grapes sprout 2 to 3 weeks later.
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I live just east of the center of amsterdam and I am succesfully growing pinot noir and riessling grapes in my garden, When I jump on my bike over the water 15 minutes north, about 4 kilometer as the crow flies, grapes sprout 2 to 3 weeks later.
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-iancampbell6925
Has there been any studies into the environmental effects of thousands of air-source heat pumps, particularly in a valley? As cold air is heavier and flows like a liquid in still air conditions, could this create a frigid microclimate zone?
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Has there been any studies into the environmental effects of thousands of air-source heat pumps, particularly in a valley? As cold air is heavier and flows like a liquid in still air conditions, could this create a frigid microclimate zone?
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