Finally a Capacitor that can REPLACE a Battery!
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Date: 2023-07-23
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Donovan
To be fair, no, capacitors won't replace the batteries due to how they store energy (Lithium-ion capacitors come quite close, too bad they're no longer made, been looking for that, but it's great for as a bulk storage at the end of the circuit (ie. car stereo amplifier with a supercapacitor to keep it happy, without any power dips in your car, whenever bass rips.
And of course supercapacitors are useful in certain circuits such as a microcontroller to keep data alive and to keep time, to keep time in clocks (some older VCRs had that power loss feature, and finally, in some PCIe SSD enclosures, to buy SSD time to flush its contents from RAM onto NAND flash chips (I have Dockcase PCIe SSD enclosure that has a supercapacitor for PLP feature.
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To be fair, no, capacitors won't replace the batteries due to how they store energy (Lithium-ion capacitors come quite close, too bad they're no longer made, been looking for that, but it's great for as a bulk storage at the end of the circuit (ie. car stereo amplifier with a supercapacitor to keep it happy, without any power dips in your car, whenever bass rips.
And of course supercapacitors are useful in certain circuits such as a microcontroller to keep data alive and to keep time, to keep time in clocks (some older VCRs had that power loss feature, and finally, in some PCIe SSD enclosures, to buy SSD time to flush its contents from RAM onto NAND flash chips (I have Dockcase PCIe SSD enclosure that has a supercapacitor for PLP feature.
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Caleb
I hope you're aware that the smoke coming out of lithium batteries has fluorine gas in it. With the aqueous parts of your body, the chemical yielded from contact is HF -- hydrofluoric acid. So we're talking about HF contact with your eyes, nose, mouth, and lungs, primarily, and HF poisoning is delayed, so you won't feel anything acidic.
HF poisoning is also the true nature of what people call the Teflon flu. Teflon has a large amount of fluorine in it, and when people overheat their pans, causing them to smoke, they get HF exposure and the next day feel like they have the flu.
HF poisoning can be deadly, though, or make you go blind, etc.
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I hope you're aware that the smoke coming out of lithium batteries has fluorine gas in it. With the aqueous parts of your body, the chemical yielded from contact is HF -- hydrofluoric acid. So we're talking about HF contact with your eyes, nose, mouth, and lungs, primarily, and HF poisoning is delayed, so you won't feel anything acidic.
HF poisoning is also the true nature of what people call the Teflon flu. Teflon has a large amount of fluorine in it, and when people overheat their pans, causing them to smoke, they get HF exposure and the next day feel like they have the flu.
HF poisoning can be deadly, though, or make you go blind, etc.
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Anubhab
It looks like a baby of a father Lipo cell and a mother LFP cell. Safety and tolerance of LFP and weight and physical looks of a Lipo. What do ya think? You should meet the company people who made that 20, 000 Farad ultra-capacitor. They put the non smoking property from a supercap into the Lipo style battery lol.
Lets say it is a capacitor. Then notice the resistance increase as it gets charged up. If the resistance does not become infinite it is a battery-supercap hybrid. If it is an electrochemical thing, then resistance change due to charging/discharging should be finite. please do even more elaborate tests on this.
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It looks like a baby of a father Lipo cell and a mother LFP cell. Safety and tolerance of LFP and weight and physical looks of a Lipo. What do ya think? You should meet the company people who made that 20, 000 Farad ultra-capacitor. They put the non smoking property from a supercap into the Lipo style battery lol.
Lets say it is a capacitor. Then notice the resistance increase as it gets charged up. If the resistance does not become infinite it is a battery-supercap hybrid. If it is an electrochemical thing, then resistance change due to charging/discharging should be finite. please do even more elaborate tests on this.
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jafinch78
Appears super safe on the positive note! Price point would be nice to come down. Something like a LIBS, Flame, Plasma and/or Arc style spectrophotomer maybe even of the webcam advance DIY design would be handy to test to see what is actually made of. Might make for some cool DIY or buy videos as well. Maybe even a COTS X-Ray or Gamma Ray spectrometer. The later would be more a gadget since seems there are one or two cost effective ones on the market now and I think there are made in kit forms as well. Wondering if the AsItaly company wanted the supercap back as well to recycle the material? Show is safe for shipping?
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Appears super safe on the positive note! Price point would be nice to come down. Something like a LIBS, Flame, Plasma and/or Arc style spectrophotomer maybe even of the webcam advance DIY design would be handy to test to see what is actually made of. Might make for some cool DIY or buy videos as well. Maybe even a COTS X-Ray or Gamma Ray spectrometer. The later would be more a gadget since seems there are one or two cost effective ones on the market now and I think there are made in kit forms as well. Wondering if the AsItaly company wanted the supercap back as well to recycle the material? Show is safe for shipping?
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The
My Theory: This is just a cell/battery and they are using the term Super Capacitor incorrectly to miss-lead people. Since this is a big cell and it stores a capacity, you could say it is a Super Capacitor (In this sense, meaning Large Cell/Battery ) much like how some battery manufactories call their batteries a Super Cell/Battery.
So to me, this is a Cell that is miss leadingly called a Super Capacitor because that is technically not wrong and they can get away with it.
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My Theory: This is just a cell/battery and they are using the term Super Capacitor incorrectly to miss-lead people. Since this is a big cell and it stores a capacity, you could say it is a Super Capacitor (In this sense, meaning Large Cell/Battery ) much like how some battery manufactories call their batteries a Super Cell/Battery.
So to me, this is a Cell that is miss leadingly called a Super Capacitor because that is technically not wrong and they can get away with it.
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Michael
Given the price, I doubt that the manufacturers were expecting anyone to conduct such destructive testing. Capacitors tend to have high self discharge rates, so charging the capacitor and leaving it in storage for a couple of weeks should see a large percentage of the charge leak away. Batteries by contrast will have a shelf life measured in years. An interesting product but far too expensive and limited at present for use in consumer products.
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Given the price, I doubt that the manufacturers were expecting anyone to conduct such destructive testing. Capacitors tend to have high self discharge rates, so charging the capacitor and leaving it in storage for a couple of weeks should see a large percentage of the charge leak away. Batteries by contrast will have a shelf life measured in years. An interesting product but far too expensive and limited at present for use in consumer products.
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ThePrinzKassad
What if they stacked a bunch of these SuperCaps and connected then in such a weird way to get the high capacity level which in the end acts like a Li-Ion battery? I guess that if they wanted this product to simply replace a Li-Ion battery then it should behave like one. otherwise something might happen.
Try stacking/connecting a bunch of capacitors in series/parallel and check their behavior.
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What if they stacked a bunch of these SuperCaps and connected then in such a weird way to get the high capacity level which in the end acts like a Li-Ion battery? I guess that if they wanted this product to simply replace a Li-Ion battery then it should behave like one. otherwise something might happen.
Try stacking/connecting a bunch of capacitors in series/parallel and check their behavior.
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Miles
Hi, after seeing how it looks on the inside I can tell you Wich kind of battery is this
Yes it is a battery, is a carbon-lithium-copper battery
They don't like to explode and can be safely dismantled even with full charge, I had chewed on one at some point when I was kiddo
It's one of the oldest kind of lithium batteries so yes you got scammed probably have to call some authoritie
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Hi, after seeing how it looks on the inside I can tell you Wich kind of battery is this
Yes it is a battery, is a carbon-lithium-copper battery
They don't like to explode and can be safely dismantled even with full charge, I had chewed on one at some point when I was kiddo
It's one of the oldest kind of lithium batteries so yes you got scammed probably have to call some authoritie
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Mohamed
Looks like a battery to me, especially the internal structure. I'm not a battery expert either, but I can see it has multiple sheets for the electrodes, leads, pads and so on.
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Yes, a capacitor would need such layers as well, but as ladislavseps4801 pointed, it would need 2 layers for anode and cathode in addition to a separator and the electrolyte solution.
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Looks like a battery to me, especially the internal structure. I'm not a battery expert either, but I can see it has multiple sheets for the electrodes, leads, pads and so on.
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Yes, a capacitor would need such layers as well, but as ladislavseps4801 pointed, it would need 2 layers for anode and cathode in addition to a separator and the electrolyte solution.
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KUBA64
In my opinion the best way to find out if you deal with a battery or a capacitor is to discharge it to zero volts, let it shorted for few days and try to recharge it. Capacitor should survive this test with no problem and no capacity loss at all.
Battery would be not able to give You the original capacity but more likely You wouldn t be able to charge it anymore.
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In my opinion the best way to find out if you deal with a battery or a capacitor is to discharge it to zero volts, let it shorted for few days and try to recharge it. Capacitor should survive this test with no problem and no capacity loss at all.
Battery would be not able to give You the original capacity but more likely You wouldn t be able to charge it anymore.
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Gokul
You said Capacitors have infinite life but i seen many blown caps so why is that. I seen them in Fans Computers and all kinds of stuff that just die bcz the capacitor is bad and replacing caps fixes the issue. The recent example is my HP laptop 2 of the capacitors is getting super hot and not turning on after changing those it booted up normally.
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You said Capacitors have infinite life but i seen many blown caps so why is that. I seen them in Fans Computers and all kinds of stuff that just die bcz the capacitor is bad and replacing caps fixes the issue. The recent example is my HP laptop 2 of the capacitors is getting super hot and not turning on after changing those it booted up normally.
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Lucas
To me it reminds me of the battery of a lithium jump starter. basically there are several batteries in parallel sharing the same electrolyte to achieve an output current much greater than a common lithium battery. and if I'm not mistaken, the fact that it has the same electrolyte removes the need to equalize all these internal lithium cells
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To me it reminds me of the battery of a lithium jump starter. basically there are several batteries in parallel sharing the same electrolyte to achieve an output current much greater than a common lithium battery. and if I'm not mistaken, the fact that it has the same electrolyte removes the need to equalize all these internal lithium cells
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education
Absolutely not a super capacitor. there are two EDLC (electrolytic dual layer) and LDC (Lithium ion capacitor or lithium doped capacitor hybrids) - This is neither, but i am very suprised it did not combust. I suspect it was a lithium titanate pouch cell, which can be punctured and will not combust. Research LTO or Lithium Titanate.
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Absolutely not a super capacitor. there are two EDLC (electrolytic dual layer) and LDC (Lithium ion capacitor or lithium doped capacitor hybrids) - This is neither, but i am very suprised it did not combust. I suspect it was a lithium titanate pouch cell, which can be punctured and will not combust. Research LTO or Lithium Titanate.
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Tony
Maybe it has a charge/discharge control circuit mimicking LiPo to make it easier to integrate where LiPo would have been used? It certainly didn't explode like a LiPo, or look like one on the inside, and you gave it a lot of mechanical stress that would definitely have caused a LiPo to catch fire. I think it really was a capacitor.
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Maybe it has a charge/discharge control circuit mimicking LiPo to make it easier to integrate where LiPo would have been used? It certainly didn't explode like a LiPo, or look like one on the inside, and you gave it a lot of mechanical stress that would definitely have caused a LiPo to catch fire. I think it really was a capacitor.
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BatteryNerd877
I have blown up quite a few lipo batteries. All that matters is state of charge. If it is lower than 20%, not much will happen. But everything over 60% will definetly result in a rapid runaway. If you want a real nice demonstration, charge the battery (Outside) to 4. 4 Volts. That leads to a massive fire.
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I have blown up quite a few lipo batteries. All that matters is state of charge. If it is lower than 20%, not much will happen. But everything over 60% will definetly result in a rapid runaway. If you want a real nice demonstration, charge the battery (Outside) to 4. 4 Volts. That leads to a massive fire.
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Marcel
I would always be cautious with new technology, as currently, every software claims to have Artificial Intelligence, even though it only contains simple algorithms, or when the first boards appear with 'quantum' technology, manufacturers can be very creative. Rarely do you get what is promised in the beginning.
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I would always be cautious with new technology, as currently, every software claims to have Artificial Intelligence, even though it only contains simple algorithms, or when the first boards appear with 'quantum' technology, manufacturers can be very creative. Rarely do you get what is promised in the beginning.
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BH4x0r
this might just be a LiPo with a graphene layer/graphene ball structure like Samsung and some RC car batteries (Turnigy) have, but it's certainly interesting it didn't react violent at all so i aswell don't know what this thing actually is
maybe something based on LiFePo4 with a higher max voltage?
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this might just be a LiPo with a graphene layer/graphene ball structure like Samsung and some RC car batteries (Turnigy) have, but it's certainly interesting it didn't react violent at all so i aswell don't know what this thing actually is
maybe something based on LiFePo4 with a higher max voltage?
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Gabriel
I have disassembled quite a few lipo batteries and if it looks like one of them, those copper and aluminum plates, the film that separates them. look to see if it smells like solvent and black powder when heated with a flame throws red fire, if it throws red fire is not graphene is lithium.
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I have disassembled quite a few lipo batteries and if it looks like one of them, those copper and aluminum plates, the film that separates them. look to see if it smells like solvent and black powder when heated with a flame throws red fire, if it throws red fire is not graphene is lithium.
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Enrico
As an Italian I have to say that I feel very ashamed by this kind of companies.
They ruin the good name of the real research we do in this country.
Contact some authorities, these companies must disappear into oblivion, now that I know about them I will do it for sure.
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As an Italian I have to say that I feel very ashamed by this kind of companies.
They ruin the good name of the real research we do in this country.
Contact some authorities, these companies must disappear into oblivion, now that I know about them I will do it for sure.
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