LGR - IBM PS/2 Model 60 Lives Again!
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Guys, you know why the earth has not found all the gold on earth, cause we have left it in computers and other things for years while never intending to save them since years later.
Date: 2022-04-14
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2010stoof
I can't wait for the model 95 server video!
I remember when my dad was teaching me about computers back in 96-97 he started me on old acers with no hard drives and booting and using DOS, then up to a model 60 like this I think. I remember how huge the hard drive was in it and only like 15mb, then onto the 386/486 variants and stuff with Windows 3. 1 and also 3. 11 workstation and troubleshooting through DOS. Then he allowed me to use Windows 95 and up from there.
I'm glad he went that route instead of straight to windows 95. Got a good base of knowledge through DOS.
I could have sworn it was a model 60 but I do know it was in a very tall tower and had an incredibly physically huge hard drive
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I can't wait for the model 95 server video!
I remember when my dad was teaching me about computers back in 96-97 he started me on old acers with no hard drives and booting and using DOS, then up to a model 60 like this I think. I remember how huge the hard drive was in it and only like 15mb, then onto the 386/486 variants and stuff with Windows 3. 1 and also 3. 11 workstation and troubleshooting through DOS. Then he allowed me to use Windows 95 and up from there.
I'm glad he went that route instead of straight to windows 95. Got a good base of knowledge through DOS.
I could have sworn it was a model 60 but I do know it was in a very tall tower and had an incredibly physically huge hard drive
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greggv8
A friend had a Model 60 years ago. He maxed the RAM, plugged in all kinds of MCA cards, even swapped the 286 CPU for one of those crazy 16 bit bus 486 chips that were made to take advantage of old 16 bit 286 chipsets in -sub-zero- $999. 95 486 PCs. Companies like Evergreen figured out that with a small TSR to enable the CPU's cache those CPUs could work in most 286 computers.
He also had some funky old laptop with an orange plasma display in horizontally stretched CGA resolution. Swapped in a PLCC 486 upgrade chip. It and the Model 60 were still horrible slow, but at least the PS/2 could run Windows 3. 1 in 386 Enhanced Mode.
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A friend had a Model 60 years ago. He maxed the RAM, plugged in all kinds of MCA cards, even swapped the 286 CPU for one of those crazy 16 bit bus 486 chips that were made to take advantage of old 16 bit 286 chipsets in -sub-zero- $999. 95 486 PCs. Companies like Evergreen figured out that with a small TSR to enable the CPU's cache those CPUs could work in most 286 computers.
He also had some funky old laptop with an orange plasma display in horizontally stretched CGA resolution. Swapped in a PLCC 486 upgrade chip. It and the Model 60 were still horrible slow, but at least the PS/2 could run Windows 3. 1 in 386 Enhanced Mode.
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greggv8
A friend had a Model 60 years ago. He maxed the RAM, plugged in all kinds of MCA cards, even swapped the 286 CPU for one of those crazy 16 bit bus 486 chips that were made to take advantage of old 16 bit 286 chipsets in -sub-zero- $999. 95 486 PCs. Companies like Evergreen figured out that with a small TSR to enable the CPU's cache those CPUs could work in most 286 computers.
He also had some funky old laptop with an orange plasma display in horizontally stretched CGA resolution. Swapped in a PLCC 486 upgrade chip. It and the Model 60 were still horrible slow, but at least the PS/2 could run Windows 3. 1 in 386 Enhanced Mode.
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A friend had a Model 60 years ago. He maxed the RAM, plugged in all kinds of MCA cards, even swapped the 286 CPU for one of those crazy 16 bit bus 486 chips that were made to take advantage of old 16 bit 286 chipsets in -sub-zero- $999. 95 486 PCs. Companies like Evergreen figured out that with a small TSR to enable the CPU's cache those CPUs could work in most 286 computers.
He also had some funky old laptop with an orange plasma display in horizontally stretched CGA resolution. Swapped in a PLCC 486 upgrade chip. It and the Model 60 were still horrible slow, but at least the PS/2 could run Windows 3. 1 in 386 Enhanced Mode.
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Erik
I bought one of these off a palette load from a computer recycler back in 2000. I paid 15 bucks and another 15 for the keyboard and monitor. It had the math co-processor, token ring card, had been bought new by the government in 1989 I think. I had a Hayes voice/fax modem, voicemail software and used the combo as an answering machine and later as a permanently logged in IRC client. 70MB hard drive, sounded amazing when powering up. Eventually the batteries died, I was able to use Kodak camera battery to keep the Cmos alive. Gave it away to a fellow computer enthusiast after a while.
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I bought one of these off a palette load from a computer recycler back in 2000. I paid 15 bucks and another 15 for the keyboard and monitor. It had the math co-processor, token ring card, had been bought new by the government in 1989 I think. I had a Hayes voice/fax modem, voicemail software and used the combo as an answering machine and later as a permanently logged in IRC client. 70MB hard drive, sounded amazing when powering up. Eventually the batteries died, I was able to use Kodak camera battery to keep the Cmos alive. Gave it away to a fellow computer enthusiast after a while.
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Colt
i love everyone in the comments freaking out about the lack of CPU heatsink, putting aside that heat syncs were not common until the windows era. just keep in mind, the vast majority of portable devices you use now have processors that do orders of magnitude more work and faster and they don't have a heatsink and fan. Though you knew overheating was an issue even then when the writers of the 1985 cult classic highlander felt the need to toss in a throw away line about a computer room needing to be cold becasue -heats bad for the circuits-
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i love everyone in the comments freaking out about the lack of CPU heatsink, putting aside that heat syncs were not common until the windows era. just keep in mind, the vast majority of portable devices you use now have processors that do orders of magnitude more work and faster and they don't have a heatsink and fan. Though you knew overheating was an issue even then when the writers of the 1985 cult classic highlander felt the need to toss in a throw away line about a computer room needing to be cold becasue -heats bad for the circuits-
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Robert
Floppy drive quietness is actually a feature of PC-DOS. Yes, those floppy drives are no doubt top-notch. But if you were to boot MS-DOS on that same machine, you'd probably notice more noise coming from that floppy drive on seek. It has something to do with the way PC-DOS moves the drive heads compared to MS-DOS. I believe PC-DOS instructs the floppy drives to move directly to a certain track, while MS-DOS steps to each track on it's way to the track it's looking for, making the drive noisier.
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Floppy drive quietness is actually a feature of PC-DOS. Yes, those floppy drives are no doubt top-notch. But if you were to boot MS-DOS on that same machine, you'd probably notice more noise coming from that floppy drive on seek. It has something to do with the way PC-DOS moves the drive heads compared to MS-DOS. I believe PC-DOS instructs the floppy drives to move directly to a certain track, while MS-DOS steps to each track on it's way to the track it's looking for, making the drive noisier.
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Matthew
I had a nearly identical machine as my workstation in the mid-90s. There's nothing like using something that looks like a server as a workstation. I never turned mine off either. Not because it was a server but because the 5. 25- hard drive would get stuck while booting. To remedy the situation, I would have to take the side off the case, turn the huge blue knobs to release the hard drive, shake it while I turned on the power, and then put everything back as the machine booted up.
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I had a nearly identical machine as my workstation in the mid-90s. There's nothing like using something that looks like a server as a workstation. I never turned mine off either. Not because it was a server but because the 5. 25- hard drive would get stuck while booting. To remedy the situation, I would have to take the side off the case, turn the huge blue knobs to release the hard drive, shake it while I turned on the power, and then put everything back as the machine booted up.
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dentron
I just got one of these for a pretty decent price off ebay, I am gonna be doing a non-destructive retro-modern build with it. (Taking the components out after I get them cleaned and hopefully working, storing them, and fitting modern stuff to work in it, while not modifying the case and maintaining the ability to restore it back to stock if I want) It is gonna be a good bit of work fitting and making custom mounting brackets for components, but I have always wanted to go for it.
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I just got one of these for a pretty decent price off ebay, I am gonna be doing a non-destructive retro-modern build with it. (Taking the components out after I get them cleaned and hopefully working, storing them, and fitting modern stuff to work in it, while not modifying the case and maintaining the ability to restore it back to stock if I want) It is gonna be a good bit of work fitting and making custom mounting brackets for components, but I have always wanted to go for it.
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Aquila
When i feel all techie because I was able to overclock my processor in BIOS, or clone my disk to a new SSD, I remember how I used to be able to install Windows 3. 1 from DOS and network them etc. I used to understand most of the DOS commands and how to use them, as wll as a bunch of other stuff. Long forgotten. Adjusting multipliers and voltages or firing up Acronis does not seem so clever when i remember i used to do all that stuff. That said, i am kind of glad i do not have to.
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When i feel all techie because I was able to overclock my processor in BIOS, or clone my disk to a new SSD, I remember how I used to be able to install Windows 3. 1 from DOS and network them etc. I used to understand most of the DOS commands and how to use them, as wll as a bunch of other stuff. Long forgotten. Adjusting multipliers and voltages or firing up Acronis does not seem so clever when i remember i used to do all that stuff. That said, i am kind of glad i do not have to.
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