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The problems dogs have with human food

The problems dogs have with human food

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Thanks to Squarespace for sponsoring! Save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain with my code RAGUSEA: WHEN IN DOUBT, DON'T FEED IT TO THEM! I'm not a veterinarian or any other kind of doctor! Everything I've said in this video represents, to the best of my knowledge, the mainstream view of veterinary science on these commonly discussed topics. Some specific sources consulted: Acute kidney injury in dogs following ingestion of cream of tartar and tamarinds and the connection to tartaric acid as the proposed toxic principle in grapes and raisins, (2022) Foraging and feeding ecology of the gray wolf (Canis lupus): lessons from Yellowstone National Park, Wyoming, USA (2006) Geometric analysis of macronutrient selection in breeds of the domestic dog, Canis lupus familiaris, (2013) Natural pet food: A review of natural diets and their impact on canine and feline physiology (2014)
Date: 2024-03-01

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I'm not really entirely sure why a dog diet would call for less salt than humans but as with everything nutrition there is a lot of magic numbers that aren't really based in that solid science, in my opinion most humans actually eat too little and you actually require it to move water into your cells. Now yes dogs are generally smaller and might even have more concentrated urine so giving them less per kg of bodyweight is probably reasonable.
Dogs prefer fat to meat. Yeah that's probably their evolutionary appropriate diet and the one their digestive system and metabolism is setup for. Despite what people think dogs still probably should be considered hyper-carnivores and whilst they can tolerate some plants and starch they really shouldn't. Anecdotally organ meats like liver are actually quite toxic in large amounts to humans and dogs don't really seem to care to it seems almost like a perfect evolutionary companion to humans. Doggo gets the liver, humans get the muscle meat. We share the scraps and fat and soup. Some vets are starting to strongly encourage this kind of diet for dogs so I guess that's something I can get behind.
Anecdotally anatomically and evolutionary speaking 60% fat 30% fat 10% plant matter is about what is correct for a human and what we ate 300, 000 years ago and continued eating that way for most of their existence. We should probably be eating that way, honestly. Weirdly enough human and dog digestive systems are hilariously similar, one notable difference is dogs have stretchy necks and can swallow big pieces of food.
Theobromide is actually toxic to humans too, yeah it is- wait. I'm starting to notice a pattern here. Anecdotally chocolate is also actually quite high in a rather nasty compound called oxalates and these basically find with calcium in your blood to form sharp crystals that can embed in tissues and cut them, or become kidney stones. Although if they form calcium complexes before they enter the bloodstream they become completely insoluble and evade the most valuable areas of your body so, milk chocolate is better in theory Silver linings
I'm honestly shocked dogs can be allergic to chicken at all but considering the fat-protein ratio of chicken is very far away from the 60: 30 indicated it seems to check out that chicken might not be a good evolutionary food source for either dogs or humans.

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Sometimes I see ads for expensive or even perishable dog food and I'm conflicted. On one hand I think 'Isn't that a little much' And on the other, I'm like 'maybe these people need to feed their dogs better than they feed themselves. '
I had a sub 25 lb dog growing up, and she ate normal dry kibble and milk bones primarily. We shared carrots, bananas, apples, and yes, grapes because we didn't know, it was the 90s, and otherwise anything that fell on the floor. She didn't like any green vegetables but occasionally ate a single tall/broad grass blade, we think it was if she wanted to throw up but no real idea why once every couple years she would go find one. It was really rare, she almost always threw up after, the grass wasn't treated with any fertilizers or pesticides, so it was kinda just 'guess she knows what she's doing. ' Didn't have to do feeding times, just kept her kibble bowl full and if she got hungry she ate. She also got bites of pizza crust and once or twice got into Halloween chocolates. She was 17 years old when she died from falling down some stairs. She was a skinny dog her whole life, very good table manners. You could leave food on a plate alone with her and she wouldn't touch it. I think the people food stuff worked in a several parts. One, it was mostly fruits and roots that we shared with her. One was that she always knew she would get something out of us at people meals so she was really patient. One was that she was a small dog so a couple bites at the end of a snack or a meal probably did her good without too much of anything. Also, midwestern white suburban in the 90's, salt was a spice at our dinner table. And finally, she was the most mixed breed dog I've ever encountered. Her mom was a peak pop schnauzer/terrier mix and her dad was something that ran through her mom's backyard. She was easy to train, very mild mannered, and didn't start any real health decline until about 15. Really a sweet dog, miss her forever, can't pass up an opportunity to talk about 17 years of my life with her. Dry kibble and milk bones did her well.

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We had my 18yo dog seen off nearly 3 weeks ago. The day I scheduled the appointment she couldn't get up without help and I heard her whimper in her attempts. Not at all loud, but she spent her entire life using her eyes to communicate and just never really cried outside of a yelp. Even when she started falling, she wasn't a fan of help and would _actively_ refuse to even acknowledge it or take any breaks on walks. It was kind of a nightmare to watch and I probably looked a bit silly to the neighbors walking next to her like she was child on a bike, audibly explaining the dangers of curb angles to her much like you're teaching Poptart about the dangers of nutrition.
I ended up grilling her up a london broil seasoned with ginger (because she was most fond of ginger/molasses based baked treats) and oregano (because I prefer burning herbs to smoke my meats and that's the distinctive one that smells up the neighborhood, I hoped it might taste like those days she followed me in and out of the house all day)
Came up with all sorts of silly sandwiches of the all the normal things I knew she had liked, and every fruit got a dollop of whipped cream. But predictably the steak got the most excitement and she had slices of it for breakfast, lunch, and dinner for 2 whole days.
. I don't know where I was going with this, I still can't really tell a story about her without going off on tangents. I highly recommend at-home euthanasia to anyone who might not know it exists; It was hauntingly peaceful and definitely made it easier on the other dog in the house. I love and miss you Bella.

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This is very much anecdotal, but we had a dog that had to be put down at the age of about 14 and a half. As a rule of thumb, the bigger a dog is, the shorter it lives and mutts tend to live longer than pure-bred dogs. Our dog was almost as big as Adam's when she was an adult, and while she'd been sold to us as a mutt (we had her from a shelter, she may actually have been of a rare breed. Very, very rarely I see dogs who look exactly like her. So her size and possibly the fact that she was a pure-bred would have been reasons for her not to live for quite as long. Sadly, the man who, especially in the late years, was mostly responsible wasn't much into taking her to the vet, so she didn't receive proper healthcare for almost all her life. She ate human food much of the time (albeit none of the not good for dogs foods) and people often commented on her extremely nice teeth. So should I ever get a dog, I'd be inclined to give her relatively much human food. Though I'd definitely consult a vet.
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I just wanted to add a comment;
There's several theories that kibble itself isn't that good for pets in general either. This is mainly because of the carbohydrate content, and a lot of them do have toxic ingredients that just aren't illegal so companies continue to use them. There's no proof that kibble is bad for pets, but there's also no proof that its any good for pets either. However, to do some critical analysis, if dogs are genetically identical to wolves, and wolves tend to eat a raw diet of mostly proteins and effectively no carbs, why should we feed our dogs kibble full of grains, soy, and corn Many people suggest a raw food diet. Of course, clean raw food, intended for animal consumption. Don't give your dog the steak extra steak you had lying around.
I recommend the documentary Pet Fooled for more information. It was very eye opening and honestly depressing to see the pet food industry for what it really is after not questioning it.

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Our dog is like our dish rinser.
She gets to lick up plates and bowls and pans, then they get properly washed (usually in the dishwasher. This does include dishes that held food with stuff like onion and garlic, but she usually gets only a few grams of dishlicked food a day (we clean up after ourselves, to a reasonable extent. Scrape the excess sauce up but not about to lick it clean, and that food only contains a small portion of the worrisome parts.
Some find it gross, and that's understandable, but if I trust the dishwasher to kill off any bacteria and wash away all the gunk, I trust it to wash a little bit of dog saliva. Our dog loves it, and the dishes go in much cleaner without needing to rinse, meaning dishes come out better and the dishwasher itself only rarely needs cleaning, with no extra cost on us.

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excellent video overall, but i do have to kind of object to your last point about the kibble.
high quality kibble is fine, but a good portion of what you find out there is gonna be very cheaply made. very poor quality of ingredients (they even used to put things in there that were in no way safe to eat, heated so high that the proteins denature to the point of possibily being harmful, filled out with unreasonable amounts of grain, all ground so fine that it just becomes a fine, textureless slurry once rehydrated.
that kind of cheap kibble can really diminish a dog's health, and you always need to check the ingredients and ideally only buy the cold pressed stuff to be safe.

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I'm so glad you pointed out how bad Human Food was for Humans too. Though it's not really human food It's just food tbh, but yea nice quick 10m video. I think part of the problem and a lot of Vets I have talked to while cannot confirm, say its not entirely impossible that besides domestication, its possible since we have to vaccine our pets in order to prevent certain diseases and what not, that some of these vaccines are actually what changes their gut chemistry to not be capable of digesting meats as much.
It's more of a suggestion as to versus actual solid or concrete evidence though and that should be kept in mind.

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I don’t know if you like questions in semi-retirement, but I live in Vienna. A friend of a friend (human, not canine) just got back from a spell with her husband’s family in the US, where she became suddenly unable to digest wheat products. The usual reason cited for the reduced tolerance to North American wheat is the variety cultivated, but she gave another explanation - something about the permitted thresholds for Mutterkorn (ergot in English) being lower in the US, causing wheat to be harvested 2 weeks earlier and thus slightly less mature. What is ergot Is this a credible explanation Can your dog eat it
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Seems like a somewhat fitting place to share an important, vaguely related PSA: do not feed anything to a horse you don't know. Horses, like dogs, are not built to eat people food, and this includes not only things you'd expect (meat, processed foods) but brassica and allium plants, avocados, bread, etc. Horses can get away with trying lots of things (even meat, but depending on the individual horse, even apples, even fresh grass ) can be dangerous. So be careful what you feed your horse, and never feed an unfamiliar horse anything ever ever ever.
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As a general rule, the more recent evolutionary history an animal has eating plants, the better it can tolerate the things in plants. Dogs have a bit of history eating plant food scraps, and a lot of history being carnivorous wolves. Humans have history as herbivorous monkeys rather than just as carnivores and scavengers. That's why we're better at metabolizing caffeine, theobromine, tartaric acid, and a bunch of other phytochemicals than dogs are. Cats have it even worse because they've always been primarily or exclusively carnivorous.
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There's a dangerous fact people don't know about kibble. The manufacturers are under no obligation to list starch on Packaging. In fact all kibble uses between 40% in 70% starch as a binding agent. This means half your dog's diet is in fact bread/starch. Despite medical improvements canine life spans have been going down ever since we started feeding them kibble. They've become the most cancer-prone species on the face of the Earth. There are TED Talks about this. if you love your pup please watch them.
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I've worked in the chocolate industry for about 15 years and I've heard of several dogs dying from eating less than a full bar of chocolate, along with many, many stories of expensive vets bills and very sick animals. I don't think it was a good idea to show yourself feeding your dog chocolate, as it will normalise it in some peoples' minds. If a single animal gets sick after their owner sees this and thinks it's probably Ok, then it's just not worth it.
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They just eat and eat and eat
The AKC page for schnauzers has a warning in the health section that the breed wants to be fat. They are always hungry and their bodies are great at building fat stores. Having a schnauzer means a lean diet and doing your best to stop them from picking up sidewalk snacks on walks, a Sisyphean task with a stubborn independent breed.
Meanwhile, you cannot train a husky with treats. They do not care.

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As a son of two vets, I can't even guess on the number of people that insisted that their pets need to have the same food as them, so they don't feel sad or something.
That group has, at least from what my mother told me, a big overlap with the group of people that will constantly ignore the recommendations they get from their vets, the most immediate thing being removing the pet cone because their dog didn't like it

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I once left one of those 5 pound Reeces cups sitting on top of a dresser unopened. Later i noticed it was suspiciously open, half eaten and covered in saliva. Turns out the dog ate it. I thought that would have killed her but she was ok. Probably just didnt feel great after that but i guess it makes sense considering Reeces cups are mostly peanut butter with a little milk choclate areound them and dogs love peanut butter.
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lol. Give Poptard a hug afterwards. She probably was confused as she thought she was in trouble at the beginning. You could see it in her face that she was trying really hard listening to see if she could catch anything on why she could have been in trouble. It is unusual for people to talk so in depth with dogs unless when they did something naughty. It was really fun watching Poptard make all of those faces.
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I fed my previous dog at least one Milky Way bar a day - he was fine. He at eseentially everything I ate as left overs or off the spoon if we were eating out. And he was fine. I only learnt about onions/garlis etc being theorectially poisonous with my current dog and partner.
TBH I think most of it, like many of the bad human foods is BS at least at the levels most dogs/humans are consuming in a reguklar diet.

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Chocolate to dogs is kind of like Grease to humans. A little bit is fine, a large amount of it gives you the runs and makes your stomach very topsy turny, ruining your whole day. It's odd to me where people got this misconception that chocolate will instantly next life your dog, but the culprit is often media like television and movies.
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As a veterinarian, that whole segment with the grapes gave me way too much anxiety. Adam, as best we can tell, the lowest possible toxic dose for a dog Poptart's size is about six grapes. Please be careful and please stop waving a whole bunch right over his adorable begging face.
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