Many Computer Users Never Run Updates - DistroTube
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There's no real way around this - for some people, you need to find out the time they will be sleeping or not using the computer, and force the machine to update by itself.
I'm not sure what I'd do without this option. It's not lack of responsibility or laziness, most of my family just cannot learn how to do these things no matter how many times you explain, no matter from how many angles you try to draw this, no matter how many different ways you find of making this simpler.
Updating is far out of reach of understanding when people barely knows how to use a mouse, understand the difference between a service running on a browser and on software, and the basic design of changing between different windows, etc.
Date: 2022-03-30
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Tom
I'm perpetually confused by non-rolling release distributions. I've only ever used NixOS unstable (essentially rolling release) and arch-based distros for an extended period of time. Every few days or whatever, I update my packages. This makes sense to me. If there are any packages installed that have newer versions available, then they get updated.
But for people running enterprise or debian-based distros, I have absolutely no idea what happens when they update their system. If a rolling release system receives new packages if and when they are available, do non-rolling release systems not have their repositories updated?
If I'm using Arch, for example, and I find a new program that I want to try on somebody's github page, then I can download it and build it. It will probably run because it's probably compatible with the up-to-date libraries on my system.
If I'm on a older release of Ubuntu or something, and I want to do the same thing, then my system's libraries might be just old enough that this program doesn't work correctly. I can only assume this is why such a huge amount of the push for adopting snaps and the like come from Canonical and the Ubuntu ecosystem.
I just can't see any reason why a person would use a distribution that isn't rolling release. I've yet to see a person offer any advantages to these distributions other than stability, but I've been using nothing but rolling release distros on my computers for 7 years and I certainly wouldn't characterize them as unstable.
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I'm perpetually confused by non-rolling release distributions. I've only ever used NixOS unstable (essentially rolling release) and arch-based distros for an extended period of time. Every few days or whatever, I update my packages. This makes sense to me. If there are any packages installed that have newer versions available, then they get updated.
But for people running enterprise or debian-based distros, I have absolutely no idea what happens when they update their system. If a rolling release system receives new packages if and when they are available, do non-rolling release systems not have their repositories updated?
If I'm using Arch, for example, and I find a new program that I want to try on somebody's github page, then I can download it and build it. It will probably run because it's probably compatible with the up-to-date libraries on my system.
If I'm on a older release of Ubuntu or something, and I want to do the same thing, then my system's libraries might be just old enough that this program doesn't work correctly. I can only assume this is why such a huge amount of the push for adopting snaps and the like come from Canonical and the Ubuntu ecosystem.
I just can't see any reason why a person would use a distribution that isn't rolling release. I've yet to see a person offer any advantages to these distributions other than stability, but I've been using nothing but rolling release distros on my computers for 7 years and I certainly wouldn't characterize them as unstable.
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Russell
Myself, I can't get enough updates. I like having the latest of the latest. I run a triple boot of LMDE, Sparky Semi-Rolling, and Siduction. LMDE is boring, because it runs on the moldy debian stable kernel 4.19. It almost never gets updates. Sparky is lively with the updates, running on kernel 5.10. Siduction sometimes gets daily kernel updates. I had to uninstall Software Center, so it would stop checking for updates. Too annoying. I'd rather check for updates on Siduction manually about once a week. I was telling my brother he needed to try out Hypnotix, but he was running Mint 19.2. I was like -Good grief, keep your Linux up to date, dude.-
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Myself, I can't get enough updates. I like having the latest of the latest. I run a triple boot of LMDE, Sparky Semi-Rolling, and Siduction. LMDE is boring, because it runs on the moldy debian stable kernel 4.19. It almost never gets updates. Sparky is lively with the updates, running on kernel 5.10. Siduction sometimes gets daily kernel updates. I had to uninstall Software Center, so it would stop checking for updates. Too annoying. I'd rather check for updates on Siduction manually about once a week. I was telling my brother he needed to try out Hypnotix, but he was running Mint 19.2. I was like -Good grief, keep your Linux up to date, dude.-
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Guy
Sometimes it is not as clean cut as recommending the user to upgrade. There are additional issues that can lead to the user not upgrading. Compatibility issues with newer releases resulting in poor performance. For example a Laptop could run just fine on Ubuntu MATE 16.04 LTS but like a dog on Ubuntu MATE 18.04 LTS. Also 32-Bit architecture support. There are still many thousands of 32-Bit machines out there in daily use but most of the mainstream Linux distributions have pulled 32-Bit support.
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Sometimes it is not as clean cut as recommending the user to upgrade. There are additional issues that can lead to the user not upgrading. Compatibility issues with newer releases resulting in poor performance. For example a Laptop could run just fine on Ubuntu MATE 16.04 LTS but like a dog on Ubuntu MATE 18.04 LTS. Also 32-Bit architecture support. There are still many thousands of 32-Bit machines out there in daily use but most of the mainstream Linux distributions have pulled 32-Bit support.
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Traveling
Me running Windows: -Oh god, an update...better make sure everything is backed up, saved, double backed up to an external drive, maybe another backup on Dropbox. Do I even have time for this today? I certainly don't have time if it bricks again. Hmm...maybe I'm safer just skipping another update.-
Me running Linux: -An update?- -Click- -Ah, there we go, already all done, now...where was I?-
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Me running Windows: -Oh god, an update...better make sure everything is backed up, saved, double backed up to an external drive, maybe another backup on Dropbox. Do I even have time for this today? I certainly don't have time if it bricks again. Hmm...maybe I'm safer just skipping another update.-
Me running Linux: -An update?- -Click- -Ah, there we go, already all done, now...where was I?-
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Daniel
The whole reason for me to switch from Windows 10 to Linux-based OS, and then from Arch to Debian, was the fact, that I'm not anymore forced to install updates in order for things to work. I know I should install them periodically, but that's not a hard requirement. And this is what I love Debian for. Though, I actually update my system once every 2-4 weeks, so everything seems to be okay.
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The whole reason for me to switch from Windows 10 to Linux-based OS, and then from Arch to Debian, was the fact, that I'm not anymore forced to install updates in order for things to work. I know I should install them periodically, but that's not a hard requirement. And this is what I love Debian for. Though, I actually update my system once every 2-4 weeks, so everything seems to be okay.
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overclucker
This is the difference between users and administrators, or users and power users.
I only update if I need a bug fix, or learn of a new feature that I want to use, so I don't update frequently. Instead, I'm on the Slackware security updates mailing list, so I usually patch soon after a critical update is released. Having everything stay the same for years is bliss to me.
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This is the difference between users and administrators, or users and power users.
I only update if I need a bug fix, or learn of a new feature that I want to use, so I don't update frequently. Instead, I'm on the Slackware security updates mailing list, so I usually patch soon after a critical update is released. Having everything stay the same for years is bliss to me.
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WolfRites
I always turn on automatic updates for family's computers. There's essentially no reason not to on Ubuntu/Debian based distros. The updating part isn't the problem, as long as it's not auto-rebooting as Windows is known to do. In those cases, the longest they go from updating is until they shutdown/reboot the pc.
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I always turn on automatic updates for family's computers. There's essentially no reason not to on Ubuntu/Debian based distros. The updating part isn't the problem, as long as it's not auto-rebooting as Windows is known to do. In those cases, the longest they go from updating is until they shutdown/reboot the pc.
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Rad
This annoys the heck out of me, updating doesn't take that long and it's good for your system. I feel like this is a reason so many Windows users complain about forced updates. If you never update and/or reboot your computer, the system will do it for you.
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This annoys the heck out of me, updating doesn't take that long and it's good for your system. I feel like this is a reason so many Windows users complain about forced updates. If you never update and/or reboot your computer, the system will do it for you.
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Almark
Reason not to update continually, - updates break and create 'down time' and a lot people feel that way. If things worked, it wouldn't matter. A computer that isn't connected to the net is more safe and efficient without the net making you update.
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Reason not to update continually, - updates break and create 'down time' and a lot people feel that way. If things worked, it wouldn't matter. A computer that isn't connected to the net is more safe and efficient without the net making you update.
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