Apple Client-Side Scanning Ruins Phone Security For Everyone - Rob Braxman Tech
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Date: 2022-03-20
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Sasha
I mentioned this to someone and he said any sort of automated crime detection is unconstitutional. He pointed to some cases involving automated speed traps set up on roadsides which take a picture if you go over the speed limit. He said a cop has to witness it, can't be a machine because that is unconstitutional. I don't know if that is correct but I do vaguely recall hearing something about how those speedtrap fines can be challenged in court and you will win because it is illegal/unconstitutional for some reason. I don't know why it is illegal. Maybe because it involves warrantless search before probable cause. The same may apply where client side scanning for criminal activity using phones are concerned. I personally don't have a problem with law enforcement using automated technologies to punish people for speeding or other traffic violations. Not enough is being done to ensure safety on the road imo. But use of automated violation detectors may be illegal. I'm inclined to say that if client side scanning protects kids then maybe it isn't so bad. But the gov tends to use kids as an excuse to take away rights and privacy. For example, I have discovered libraries are censoring online content using various filtering technology such as customized blacklists and also some -intelligent- ai based filtering of some sort. They admit that their filtering will result in some sites being unjustly blocked. They try to make it sound like that isn't a problem though because all you need to do is let the librarian know and they will unblock the site if it doesn't break their rules. That is intolerable imo because it is a violation of privacy. I shouldn't have to disclose to them what website I am trying to access. That is none of their beeswax. This lead me to discover that they aren't using secure DNS because they need to know the domain names to filter! I asked to see their privacy policy but they don't have one for using their computers or wifi hotspots. I tried to explain to them why that is a problem but they just didn't seem to understand. They kept saying things like -listen, we're NOT going to let people come in here and access illegal content-. imo they shouldn't be policing people like that. Leave the policing to law enforcement. I mean if people come in there and start accessing illegal content then the police can arrest them. They are just using the excuse of protecting kids to spy and censor imo. It should be illegal for libraries to do that because that can lead to civil rights violations and abuses such as censoring perfectly legal content or a stalinesque purge of political enemies.
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I mentioned this to someone and he said any sort of automated crime detection is unconstitutional. He pointed to some cases involving automated speed traps set up on roadsides which take a picture if you go over the speed limit. He said a cop has to witness it, can't be a machine because that is unconstitutional. I don't know if that is correct but I do vaguely recall hearing something about how those speedtrap fines can be challenged in court and you will win because it is illegal/unconstitutional for some reason. I don't know why it is illegal. Maybe because it involves warrantless search before probable cause. The same may apply where client side scanning for criminal activity using phones are concerned. I personally don't have a problem with law enforcement using automated technologies to punish people for speeding or other traffic violations. Not enough is being done to ensure safety on the road imo. But use of automated violation detectors may be illegal. I'm inclined to say that if client side scanning protects kids then maybe it isn't so bad. But the gov tends to use kids as an excuse to take away rights and privacy. For example, I have discovered libraries are censoring online content using various filtering technology such as customized blacklists and also some -intelligent- ai based filtering of some sort. They admit that their filtering will result in some sites being unjustly blocked. They try to make it sound like that isn't a problem though because all you need to do is let the librarian know and they will unblock the site if it doesn't break their rules. That is intolerable imo because it is a violation of privacy. I shouldn't have to disclose to them what website I am trying to access. That is none of their beeswax. This lead me to discover that they aren't using secure DNS because they need to know the domain names to filter! I asked to see their privacy policy but they don't have one for using their computers or wifi hotspots. I tried to explain to them why that is a problem but they just didn't seem to understand. They kept saying things like -listen, we're NOT going to let people come in here and access illegal content-. imo they shouldn't be policing people like that. Leave the policing to law enforcement. I mean if people come in there and start accessing illegal content then the police can arrest them. They are just using the excuse of protecting kids to spy and censor imo. It should be illegal for libraries to do that because that can lead to civil rights violations and abuses such as censoring perfectly legal content or a stalinesque purge of political enemies.
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SinfulStreams
Personally, I stopped using anything apple related except for iMessage with family. I don-t use keychain, iCloud, apple mail, maps, wallet, etc. due to that reason alone, I decided -maybe it-s time I become a privacy enthusiast-. Only thing is, privacy comes at a cost for anything. So far, all the services I use as an alternative adds up to no more than $20-$25/month and since then, I-ve taken many steps to my privacy and I don-t ever see a reason going back. I-m better off with my data and my accounts being as privacy, open source, and secure as possible. Apple has lost trust not only in me but in many of us watching this video. They helped shed light onto other big corporations doing the same things like google, Microsoft, etc. I actually didn-t want to upset to the new IOS u til my family got me an Apple Watch for Christmas and I was forced into an update. To this day, I will still try delaying updates for as long as possible then when I do have to update, take notes on the big changes like this so I can find a countermeasure beforehand. I know this is a ramble, but it-s something we all know has to be said.
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Personally, I stopped using anything apple related except for iMessage with family. I don-t use keychain, iCloud, apple mail, maps, wallet, etc. due to that reason alone, I decided -maybe it-s time I become a privacy enthusiast-. Only thing is, privacy comes at a cost for anything. So far, all the services I use as an alternative adds up to no more than $20-$25/month and since then, I-ve taken many steps to my privacy and I don-t ever see a reason going back. I-m better off with my data and my accounts being as privacy, open source, and secure as possible. Apple has lost trust not only in me but in many of us watching this video. They helped shed light onto other big corporations doing the same things like google, Microsoft, etc. I actually didn-t want to upset to the new IOS u til my family got me an Apple Watch for Christmas and I was forced into an update. To this day, I will still try delaying updates for as long as possible then when I do have to update, take notes on the big changes like this so I can find a countermeasure beforehand. I know this is a ramble, but it-s something we all know has to be said.
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KarinaTheDreama
The backdoor hackers do their hack & are titled as third party vendors. They collect every single activity in ur ios phone period. They use your camera & microphone to record u. Now these ppl do it bcuz they are addicted to laughing at u behind ur back while u are watched watching ur phone.
But now, they can sell ur algorithms, pics, opinions, activity like calls & msgs to LE, basically exploiting the hell out of u. While they collect money, better tools, titles & access. W ios they use bln to now code devices in ur home & control them along w ur settings. Every tech company helps them do it. I am a test dummy since these ppl are my neighbors! Yes, i get stuff thats not even known yet. They act like i dont know who they are but they simply dont care online. Its 5 yrs now ive tried everything so maybe ill learn & contact Mr. Ron B. I did learn here & in the other 2 ive watched that will help a little maybe. But wondering if they have u can u get rid of them EVER! Im moving soon!
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The backdoor hackers do their hack & are titled as third party vendors. They collect every single activity in ur ios phone period. They use your camera & microphone to record u. Now these ppl do it bcuz they are addicted to laughing at u behind ur back while u are watched watching ur phone.
But now, they can sell ur algorithms, pics, opinions, activity like calls & msgs to LE, basically exploiting the hell out of u. While they collect money, better tools, titles & access. W ios they use bln to now code devices in ur home & control them along w ur settings. Every tech company helps them do it. I am a test dummy since these ppl are my neighbors! Yes, i get stuff thats not even known yet. They act like i dont know who they are but they simply dont care online. Its 5 yrs now ive tried everything so maybe ill learn & contact Mr. Ron B. I did learn here & in the other 2 ive watched that will help a little maybe. But wondering if they have u can u get rid of them EVER! Im moving soon!
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Darkwater
All you have to do is look at YouTube's copyright flagging system to know this is going to be a train wreck, even if it never actually got abused for anything outside its stated purpose. In reality, however, I don't trust Apple as far as I can throw them when it comes to caving in to government demands. I do not for one second believe that the CCP will not put pressure on Apple to scan for dissident content and if they threaten to not allow Apple to do business in China, Apple will cave faster than the proverbial speeding bullet and hang all Chinese dissidents out to dry without a second thought. They might resist a little more in the US, but I still do not trust them never to cave to pressure in the name of some strawman cause.
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All you have to do is look at YouTube's copyright flagging system to know this is going to be a train wreck, even if it never actually got abused for anything outside its stated purpose. In reality, however, I don't trust Apple as far as I can throw them when it comes to caving in to government demands. I do not for one second believe that the CCP will not put pressure on Apple to scan for dissident content and if they threaten to not allow Apple to do business in China, Apple will cave faster than the proverbial speeding bullet and hang all Chinese dissidents out to dry without a second thought. They might resist a little more in the US, but I still do not trust them never to cave to pressure in the name of some strawman cause.
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Sal
If I stopped using digital technology, and resorted, if I wanted to speak out against anything, to speaking via pamphlet or spoken word only, if my words had an effect on anyone they'd likely mention it on social media/take a photo of the leaflet/record me saying whatever it was, and then I'd also be identifiable and easily spotted being -surrounded by people using iPhones-. So that would seem to imply that there's no hiding place anymore other than to not be around people with iPhones. Conceivably this might, in time, extend to spotting people who aren't part of -normal digital life- whether they speak out or not.
Some sort of jamming device that you could carry? That doesn't switch off nearby pacemakers.
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If I stopped using digital technology, and resorted, if I wanted to speak out against anything, to speaking via pamphlet or spoken word only, if my words had an effect on anyone they'd likely mention it on social media/take a photo of the leaflet/record me saying whatever it was, and then I'd also be identifiable and easily spotted being -surrounded by people using iPhones-. So that would seem to imply that there's no hiding place anymore other than to not be around people with iPhones. Conceivably this might, in time, extend to spotting people who aren't part of -normal digital life- whether they speak out or not.
Some sort of jamming device that you could carry? That doesn't switch off nearby pacemakers.
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Ernest
You'd think they'd learn from other companies mistakes like -. Boeing for example stay withheld information from Air carriers and pilots about their functionality of their avionics and people died as a result yeah 1-800 dial a bomb hear we come lol Opps wrong transceiver sorry dead guy we mistook you for someone else! -- the face to the left are the CEOs upon release to the afore mentioned agencies to the first false positive!
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You'd think they'd learn from other companies mistakes like -. Boeing for example stay withheld information from Air carriers and pilots about their functionality of their avionics and people died as a result yeah 1-800 dial a bomb hear we come lol Opps wrong transceiver sorry dead guy we mistook you for someone else! -- the face to the left are the CEOs upon release to the afore mentioned agencies to the first false positive!
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Messenger
William Binney said not to rely on any computer when composing encrypted content, use a pencil and paper.
If a computer is needed to compose encrypted content then this computer should be isolated with no connections then the content transferred using a transfer medium to a connected computer.
This means your content on any device connected to the internet is observable before it-s encrypted.
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William Binney said not to rely on any computer when composing encrypted content, use a pencil and paper.
If a computer is needed to compose encrypted content then this computer should be isolated with no connections then the content transferred using a transfer medium to a connected computer.
This means your content on any device connected to the internet is observable before it-s encrypted.
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Jeff
IMHO The only reason Apple would publicise client-side scanning (CSS) is that it-s touting for government business beyond just perv photos. The message from Apple to governments is -Give me money & I-ll use client phones (via AI) to serve government purposes! The phones are like the Mars Persaverance rover, they can be programmed to operate semi-intelligently according to what they see, hear & feel! -
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IMHO The only reason Apple would publicise client-side scanning (CSS) is that it-s touting for government business beyond just perv photos. The message from Apple to governments is -Give me money & I-ll use client phones (via AI) to serve government purposes! The phones are like the Mars Persaverance rover, they can be programmed to operate semi-intelligently according to what they see, hear & feel! -
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BAD
Google & Samsung have been doing this for a while now. Apple has been under significant governmental pressure to protect -the children- so they are definitely in your business now. Truth is, they could care less and are just monetizing the data collection business. Every file has a fingerprint, every communication has a fingerprint, and every voice has a fingerprint; we're all unique.
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Google & Samsung have been doing this for a while now. Apple has been under significant governmental pressure to protect -the children- so they are definitely in your business now. Truth is, they could care less and are just monetizing the data collection business. Every file has a fingerprint, every communication has a fingerprint, and every voice has a fingerprint; we're all unique.
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The
Same goes for Mac computers it all applies. They can see - you and all you do on your computer off line. This man is telling you the truth, but it's much worse than he is revealing, apple has it hands full with government entities: illegal and corrupt who passing their computers OSX firewalls and encryption at will, by remote programs built in Apple's operating systems.
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Same goes for Mac computers it all applies. They can see - you and all you do on your computer off line. This man is telling you the truth, but it's much worse than he is revealing, apple has it hands full with government entities: illegal and corrupt who passing their computers OSX firewalls and encryption at will, by remote programs built in Apple's operating systems.
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