The Power of Political Recognition
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Date: 2025-02-15
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Caterfree10
I think recognition is kind of required for historical wrongs to be corrected and reparation to even be started tbh. It’s like that quote that goes (paraphrasing) if you stick a knife in me 9 inches then pull out 6, that’s not healing. And some people deny that the knife is even still there. If you refuse to recognize the harm even exists, there’s no way to begin healing it!
Also, kind of surprised trans folks weren’t mentioned at all for this, especially given multiple states refusing to recognize trans people at all (I imagine this was probably recorded pre inauguration so the recent EOs weren’t available to reference. Without legal recognition of trans people, our treatments such as HRT are considered superfluous, and we cannot get gender markers changed, which can lead to violence against us. Even doctors may treat us incorrectly if trans status isn’t taken into account (see: trans men who still have functional reproductive systems needing to see gynecologists but the care being denied bc of then being trans men - or the psychological pain of being misgendered when the care can be received [groans in having to go to a gyno at a center named for women and no gender question on intake forms]. Basic recognition of trans people and our needs is required to even start treating us as equal members of a society.
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I think recognition is kind of required for historical wrongs to be corrected and reparation to even be started tbh. It’s like that quote that goes (paraphrasing) if you stick a knife in me 9 inches then pull out 6, that’s not healing. And some people deny that the knife is even still there. If you refuse to recognize the harm even exists, there’s no way to begin healing it!
Also, kind of surprised trans folks weren’t mentioned at all for this, especially given multiple states refusing to recognize trans people at all (I imagine this was probably recorded pre inauguration so the recent EOs weren’t available to reference. Without legal recognition of trans people, our treatments such as HRT are considered superfluous, and we cannot get gender markers changed, which can lead to violence against us. Even doctors may treat us incorrectly if trans status isn’t taken into account (see: trans men who still have functional reproductive systems needing to see gynecologists but the care being denied bc of then being trans men - or the psychological pain of being misgendered when the care can be received [groans in having to go to a gyno at a center named for women and no gender question on intake forms]. Basic recognition of trans people and our needs is required to even start treating us as equal members of a society.
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lmeeken
I appreciate the multiple lenses on Indigeneity and Indigenous lands/nations here - from Palestine, to land acknowledgements, to land back movements.
It's also worth mentioning that recognition is also a very significant concept when it comes to Indigenous nations in North America. Federally Recognized Tribes/Nations are conferred a status other communities are not, and some nations are fighting hard for such recognition. But the question of recognition is contemplated by nations alleged to be Pretendian projects seeking Federal recognition, which poses an existential threat to legitimate nations. There are also Indigenous communities that refuse Federal recognition (like Indigenous Hawai'ian communities, in my understanding - I am not Indigenous) because they object to the presence of colonizers and the idea that they need colonizer recognition to be legitimizes.
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I appreciate the multiple lenses on Indigeneity and Indigenous lands/nations here - from Palestine, to land acknowledgements, to land back movements.
It's also worth mentioning that recognition is also a very significant concept when it comes to Indigenous nations in North America. Federally Recognized Tribes/Nations are conferred a status other communities are not, and some nations are fighting hard for such recognition. But the question of recognition is contemplated by nations alleged to be Pretendian projects seeking Federal recognition, which poses an existential threat to legitimate nations. There are also Indigenous communities that refuse Federal recognition (like Indigenous Hawai'ian communities, in my understanding - I am not Indigenous) because they object to the presence of colonizers and the idea that they need colonizer recognition to be legitimizes.
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yensid4294
Well, if you recognize another person as an equal, you will have to adjust your behavior towards them. Same for recognizing any minority group & their struggles/needs. You would have to change your behavior & thinking & be willing to change society to accomodate them. That's why delegitimizing certain people & groups of people is a thing. If you can deny their existence or the existence of their concerns, you won't have to change yourself or society to make life better for them. I assume that is why some people deny systemic racism for example.
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Well, if you recognize another person as an equal, you will have to adjust your behavior towards them. Same for recognizing any minority group & their struggles/needs. You would have to change your behavior & thinking & be willing to change society to accomodate them. That's why delegitimizing certain people & groups of people is a thing. If you can deny their existence or the existence of their concerns, you won't have to change yourself or society to make life better for them. I assume that is why some people deny systemic racism for example.
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MrBattlecharge
I always thought it was weird when people acknowledged ahead of a speech or ahead of some event, that it was taking place on unceded land.
Its like saying Hey, this land I am speaking to you from was stolen or unfairly taken or traded for mere pennies from the people who were here before us. You got that we were exploiting people back then Good, lets continue with our regularly scheduled program.
More like throwing it in their faces. Yeah, we did that and we're not going to do amything about it
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I always thought it was weird when people acknowledged ahead of a speech or ahead of some event, that it was taking place on unceded land.
Its like saying Hey, this land I am speaking to you from was stolen or unfairly taken or traded for mere pennies from the people who were here before us. You got that we were exploiting people back then Good, lets continue with our regularly scheduled program.
More like throwing it in their faces. Yeah, we did that and we're not going to do amything about it
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keenanarthur8381
While I would definitely support redistribution efforts, I view the racist objectification of indigenous people as comorbid with the anthropocentric objectification of natural phenomena that were (at one time) near-universally recognized as animate beings by various human cultures. If a piece of land is a being, it deserves respect and its own rights that cannot be written off with abstractions of property ownership based on who has the deed.
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While I would definitely support redistribution efforts, I view the racist objectification of indigenous people as comorbid with the anthropocentric objectification of natural phenomena that were (at one time) near-universally recognized as animate beings by various human cultures. If a piece of land is a being, it deserves respect and its own rights that cannot be written off with abstractions of property ownership based on who has the deed.
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pedrostormrage
9: 31 Is recognition enough Is it just a symbolic substitute for real change I think true recognition is real change (if there's no action, then it's just lip service. As we've seen in the examples, the mere utterance of recognition does have an impact, but it's only the starting point towards concrete recognition (which redistribution - or more generally, equality of treatment - can be an example of.
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9: 31 Is recognition enough Is it just a symbolic substitute for real change I think true recognition is real change (if there's no action, then it's just lip service. As we've seen in the examples, the mere utterance of recognition does have an impact, but it's only the starting point towards concrete recognition (which redistribution - or more generally, equality of treatment - can be an example of.
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rmdodsonbills
I live in the Black Hills, land which was de facto stolen by prospectors, miners, and support infrastructure in the 1870s in violation of the Laramie Treaty of 1868. Possession of this land was subsequently legitimized by a fraudulent effort to use a provision of the treaty to get consent of the Lakota to cede their ownership of the Black Hills area.
That's how you do land acknowledgement.
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I live in the Black Hills, land which was de facto stolen by prospectors, miners, and support infrastructure in the 1870s in violation of the Laramie Treaty of 1868. Possession of this land was subsequently legitimized by a fraudulent effort to use a provision of the treaty to get consent of the Lakota to cede their ownership of the Black Hills area.
That's how you do land acknowledgement.
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BrainSoap
Recognition without redistribution is liberal hand-waving performative social activism. It's free and doesn't require change or action. That's why they'll put a token queer black woman on the board of directors, but won't fund an inner city school system or woman's shelter. It's also why conservatives hate leftists, liberals, and wokeness. they recognize and see the hypocrisy.
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Recognition without redistribution is liberal hand-waving performative social activism. It's free and doesn't require change or action. That's why they'll put a token queer black woman on the board of directors, but won't fund an inner city school system or woman's shelter. It's also why conservatives hate leftists, liberals, and wokeness. they recognize and see the hypocrisy.
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MegaMentholMan
As a native person who attends a lot of sporting events, I appreciate land acknowledgements. If a local labor union were to get an acknowledgement, they’d be happy AF even if no one contributed to said labor union that day. Land acknowledgments matter, even if no one does anything immediately.
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As a native person who attends a lot of sporting events, I appreciate land acknowledgements. If a local labor union were to get an acknowledgement, they’d be happy AF even if no one contributed to said labor union that day. Land acknowledgments matter, even if no one does anything immediately.
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Billionth_Kevin
When contemplating the question of is it enough, I am always reminded of the seminal tome of my generation: If you give a mouse a cookie in which it is never enough. In this situation, I am definitely the mouse and am not ready for the end of Ellie drinks way too much coffee gags
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When contemplating the question of is it enough, I am always reminded of the seminal tome of my generation: If you give a mouse a cookie in which it is never enough. In this situation, I am definitely the mouse and am not ready for the end of Ellie drinks way too much coffee gags
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radagastwiz
I was reminded of an adage I often come across on social media. When a privileged person says, If you don't respect me, I won't respect you, they often mean, If you don't respect me as an authority, I won't respect you as a person.
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I was reminded of an adage I often come across on social media. When a privileged person says, If you don't respect me, I won't respect you, they often mean, If you don't respect me as an authority, I won't respect you as a person.
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thomasgoodwin2648
I also recognize animal rights. I have (past and present) many friends that are animals, but I will not ever have a 'Pet' again.
Thanks for the series! Lot's of learning with plenty of thought fuel to keep going.
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I also recognize animal rights. I have (past and present) many friends that are animals, but I will not ever have a 'Pet' again.
Thanks for the series! Lot's of learning with plenty of thought fuel to keep going.
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elhassanelnasir
I really enjoyed this series. Didn't expect it to end this soon. Ellie, you're a great host btw. Hope to see you in future CC episodes!
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I really enjoyed this series. Didn't expect it to end this soon. Ellie, you're a great host btw. Hope to see you in future CC episodes!
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markadams7046
I can't sustain myself by eating recognition. I'm on the side that recognition isn't enough. Redistribution of resources is important.
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I can't sustain myself by eating recognition. I'm on the side that recognition isn't enough. Redistribution of resources is important.
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moralesjm
Sad to hear that this is the last episode, it was a great series. Thanks to the team and I hope there will be a second part!
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Sad to hear that this is the last episode, it was a great series. Thanks to the team and I hope there will be a second part!
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