The Problem of Evil: Crash Course Philosophy #13
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Date: 2022-04-04
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lHikariAnkoku
If you ask me. The only reason we got a -problem of evil- is because people creates their own false logic version of the word which -the problem of evil- is present. I see the concept of good and evil as a man made thing and is only used for humans to communicate thoughts and feelings. It therefore can be used in infinite scenarios which all is man made.
In other words, -the problem of evil- only exist because we choose it to exist. While in reality it doesn't.
I believe in 3 concepts of truths.
1. There is my truth and how I understand the world.
2. Everyone else's own truth in which they believe to be true and understand as how the world functions.
3. The Truth. An universal truth which can't be questioned. Also called Neutral/natural truth. A truth we humans might never understand because we got a mind of our own in which we creates our own understanding.
An example to try explain this: A man shoots and kills an other man:
1. I might see this as a good thing because I don't like the man who got killed and think he deserves it.
2: Others might think it is evil because killing an other person is evil.
3. While I can't really write anything here because it will be seen as my version of the true. However, there is a way to give a -neutral- version which then can be used to kind of explain the truth. The truth is: there is a dead man and a living man.
While the 3rd example didn't really give and good or evil answer to the issue. It can't be said to be false. There is a dead man and one living. We can't ague us away from that. Hint, reason why I say good and evil is man made. We choose weather it being good or evil. The nature/universe doesn't. For it, it just is. No reasons behind it. (well there is a reason if we go -because the fox is hungry, it hunts and eat an animal. - but it isn't a man made reason. Animals eat because that is what their brain tells them to do. It is a natural reaction for the animals to eat. Animals doesn't think about the reason why like we humans do. It just do it.
Which brings me to my point of my 3 truths. We all make our own truths. We might never be able to understand in real truth but by knowing that our own truth is ours alone (or you so happens to share the same as someone else, we can then choose to accept we don't know the real truth and what others believe to be truth is just as valid as your own. We can try accept we aren't all the same and instead of fighting over who is right, because none of us are. we can instead focus on working together to find a truth which works best for us, weather you are alone or together with others, and then accept there are others out there with different truth than you and try get along.
An other way of putting my 3 truths:
1. true, false
2. false, true
3. neutral/absolute truth
1. good, evil
2. evil good
3 neutral
1. big, small
2. small big
3. the size the issue in question got
1. green
2. blue
3. the color the issue in question got
Again, we can't know what The Truth is. We can only accept it is there.
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If you ask me. The only reason we got a -problem of evil- is because people creates their own false logic version of the word which -the problem of evil- is present. I see the concept of good and evil as a man made thing and is only used for humans to communicate thoughts and feelings. It therefore can be used in infinite scenarios which all is man made.
In other words, -the problem of evil- only exist because we choose it to exist. While in reality it doesn't.
I believe in 3 concepts of truths.
1. There is my truth and how I understand the world.
2. Everyone else's own truth in which they believe to be true and understand as how the world functions.
3. The Truth. An universal truth which can't be questioned. Also called Neutral/natural truth. A truth we humans might never understand because we got a mind of our own in which we creates our own understanding.
An example to try explain this: A man shoots and kills an other man:
1. I might see this as a good thing because I don't like the man who got killed and think he deserves it.
2: Others might think it is evil because killing an other person is evil.
3. While I can't really write anything here because it will be seen as my version of the true. However, there is a way to give a -neutral- version which then can be used to kind of explain the truth. The truth is: there is a dead man and a living man.
While the 3rd example didn't really give and good or evil answer to the issue. It can't be said to be false. There is a dead man and one living. We can't ague us away from that. Hint, reason why I say good and evil is man made. We choose weather it being good or evil. The nature/universe doesn't. For it, it just is. No reasons behind it. (well there is a reason if we go -because the fox is hungry, it hunts and eat an animal. - but it isn't a man made reason. Animals eat because that is what their brain tells them to do. It is a natural reaction for the animals to eat. Animals doesn't think about the reason why like we humans do. It just do it.
Which brings me to my point of my 3 truths. We all make our own truths. We might never be able to understand in real truth but by knowing that our own truth is ours alone (or you so happens to share the same as someone else, we can then choose to accept we don't know the real truth and what others believe to be truth is just as valid as your own. We can try accept we aren't all the same and instead of fighting over who is right, because none of us are. we can instead focus on working together to find a truth which works best for us, weather you are alone or together with others, and then accept there are others out there with different truth than you and try get along.
An other way of putting my 3 truths:
1. true, false
2. false, true
3. neutral/absolute truth
1. good, evil
2. evil good
3 neutral
1. big, small
2. small big
3. the size the issue in question got
1. green
2. blue
3. the color the issue in question got
Again, we can't know what The Truth is. We can only accept it is there.
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quantumperception
He says that atheists acknowledge evil, but that isn't true. There is an old adage -There is nothing good or evil, but thinking makes it so. - Evil is just what we use to describe what is bad for us personally, or perhaps humanity as a whole. However, that is just our own myopic view point. Take a pandemic; that is evil to us, because it kills many of us, but it is good for the virus, because it means that it is thriving as an organism- and it may also be good to other organisms, who suffer from us destroying their habitats. In other words, what -evil- to us is -good- for others, and once you realize that, you begin to realize that there is no such thing as evil, at least not in the sense that he (and religion) uses the term; it really just means -bad from our prospective. -
Even just among human interaction, what is evil changes based on your perspective. The natives of this country likely saw the colonizers as evil for destroying their religion, but the colonizers saw the native religion as evil, and saw destroying the native religions as doing good. From one perspective (colonizers) they are helping the natives by getting rid of the thing that was threatening their eternal -souls-, and thereby saving them, but from a different perspective (natives, they were attempting to erase their identity and their existence. Or take a factory being shut down and moved overseas; to the people that lost their jobs, and the towns that relied on the factory to bring in revenue, it is bad, but to the people overseas who now have jobs that pay more than they had ever been able to earn before (even though it is still less than what a worker here used to make, as well as to the corporation that makes more profit, and the consumer who now pays less for the product, it is a good thing. Again, -evil- only means -bad to me-; there is no concrete evil that is always bad- it just depends on your perspective.
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He says that atheists acknowledge evil, but that isn't true. There is an old adage -There is nothing good or evil, but thinking makes it so. - Evil is just what we use to describe what is bad for us personally, or perhaps humanity as a whole. However, that is just our own myopic view point. Take a pandemic; that is evil to us, because it kills many of us, but it is good for the virus, because it means that it is thriving as an organism- and it may also be good to other organisms, who suffer from us destroying their habitats. In other words, what -evil- to us is -good- for others, and once you realize that, you begin to realize that there is no such thing as evil, at least not in the sense that he (and religion) uses the term; it really just means -bad from our prospective. -
Even just among human interaction, what is evil changes based on your perspective. The natives of this country likely saw the colonizers as evil for destroying their religion, but the colonizers saw the native religion as evil, and saw destroying the native religions as doing good. From one perspective (colonizers) they are helping the natives by getting rid of the thing that was threatening their eternal -souls-, and thereby saving them, but from a different perspective (natives, they were attempting to erase their identity and their existence. Or take a factory being shut down and moved overseas; to the people that lost their jobs, and the towns that relied on the factory to bring in revenue, it is bad, but to the people overseas who now have jobs that pay more than they had ever been able to earn before (even though it is still less than what a worker here used to make, as well as to the corporation that makes more profit, and the consumer who now pays less for the product, it is a good thing. Again, -evil- only means -bad to me-; there is no concrete evil that is always bad- it just depends on your perspective.
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Vladimir
As we know, life isn-t just a pleasure island where everything that-s going on makes us happy all the time. Maybe, for some people who have realized, after decades of spiritual practices, that there is no big difference between life and nothing, it-s the case; but for most of us, life still means an endless struggle against a sea of trouble. Since we are not ready to admit that all these troubles come from our inability to understand the fundamental nature of being, we tend to believe that there is something outside which causes them. The problem with this belief is that it-s impossible to prove scientifically, as long as we understand the science of 21 century, that there is something outside; as well as it-s impossible to prove that there is infinite nothing outside of the known universe. However, it doesn-t pretty much affect our belief, and we not only make a claim that there is something but we also a priori know what it is. It-s evil. A meaningless word which has no content in it, though it-s usage may denounce every content.
Put the word into the body, and you-ll get teaching where the body is considered like a burden that we need to carry throughout life with a great deal of tolerance, despising and punishing it for its evil nature and also probably because of some mysterious original sin.
Put the word into the mind, and you-ll get teaching where bloody intellectuals, run by their malevolent desire to get as much power as there is and control everybody and everything, are the cause of all suffering and hence should be hung on the tree of knowledge.
Put the word into the ego, and you-ll get the well-known pessimism with all its self-contempt and nihilistic values, if the latter may be appropriately called so.
Whatever doctrine you consider as a guideline for your lifelong journey, look very carefully at what it marks as evil and what it wants you to be scared of.
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As we know, life isn-t just a pleasure island where everything that-s going on makes us happy all the time. Maybe, for some people who have realized, after decades of spiritual practices, that there is no big difference between life and nothing, it-s the case; but for most of us, life still means an endless struggle against a sea of trouble. Since we are not ready to admit that all these troubles come from our inability to understand the fundamental nature of being, we tend to believe that there is something outside which causes them. The problem with this belief is that it-s impossible to prove scientifically, as long as we understand the science of 21 century, that there is something outside; as well as it-s impossible to prove that there is infinite nothing outside of the known universe. However, it doesn-t pretty much affect our belief, and we not only make a claim that there is something but we also a priori know what it is. It-s evil. A meaningless word which has no content in it, though it-s usage may denounce every content.
Put the word into the body, and you-ll get teaching where the body is considered like a burden that we need to carry throughout life with a great deal of tolerance, despising and punishing it for its evil nature and also probably because of some mysterious original sin.
Put the word into the mind, and you-ll get teaching where bloody intellectuals, run by their malevolent desire to get as much power as there is and control everybody and everything, are the cause of all suffering and hence should be hung on the tree of knowledge.
Put the word into the ego, and you-ll get the well-known pessimism with all its self-contempt and nihilistic values, if the latter may be appropriately called so.
Whatever doctrine you consider as a guideline for your lifelong journey, look very carefully at what it marks as evil and what it wants you to be scared of.
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Anon
My favorite is the notion that god is neither good nor evil, we simply perceive things as evil because they directly inconvenience us directly. In reality our independent, biased, mortal minds are perceiving the world in one way, where evil exists and is unacceptable, whereas God is perceiving reality through an immortal, omnipotent lens.
Our -petty squabbles- are the equivalent to a 4th grader running up and crying that a bully pushed them down where we, as adults, perhaps realize it's a concern, but then we also need to worry about things like -the mortgage- -the economy- and -pedophiles-. things which a 4th grader probably doesn't understand fully.
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My favorite is the notion that god is neither good nor evil, we simply perceive things as evil because they directly inconvenience us directly. In reality our independent, biased, mortal minds are perceiving the world in one way, where evil exists and is unacceptable, whereas God is perceiving reality through an immortal, omnipotent lens.
Our -petty squabbles- are the equivalent to a 4th grader running up and crying that a bully pushed them down where we, as adults, perhaps realize it's a concern, but then we also need to worry about things like -the mortgage- -the economy- and -pedophiles-. things which a 4th grader probably doesn't understand fully.
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Rondo
-Evil- is simply when you hurt sentient beings. What your motivation or reason for harming other people or creatures is does not matter, if you do harm in any way you are being evil. The most evil deeds in history and still now as I say this is being done by people who wrongly think they are being good because they are arrogant idiots that believe blindly that they are -good-. Because of their own lack of understanging and insight they think EVERYTHING they do must be good. This way they rationale their own evil deeds as good and have absolutely no empathy or even understanding for their victims suffering. .. .. .
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-Evil- is simply when you hurt sentient beings. What your motivation or reason for harming other people or creatures is does not matter, if you do harm in any way you are being evil. The most evil deeds in history and still now as I say this is being done by people who wrongly think they are being good because they are arrogant idiots that believe blindly that they are -good-. Because of their own lack of understanging and insight they think EVERYTHING they do must be good. This way they rationale their own evil deeds as good and have absolutely no empathy or even understanding for their victims suffering. .. .. .
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TheWhiteMamba3000
Referring to the Book of Judas, there is the true Creator and through its existence created lesser beings and one of those lesser beings created humans. Since the Creator didn't create humans, it makes sense why there could be evil and a way to potentially keep all 3 concepts true is that the Creator has promised life after death. Since a non-perfect being created humans, humans may never be worthy of heaven. Possibly after death, you will be reborn in the body of the spirit, immortal, and never needing anything that constrained you on earth. Just a thought.
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Referring to the Book of Judas, there is the true Creator and through its existence created lesser beings and one of those lesser beings created humans. Since the Creator didn't create humans, it makes sense why there could be evil and a way to potentially keep all 3 concepts true is that the Creator has promised life after death. Since a non-perfect being created humans, humans may never be worthy of heaven. Possibly after death, you will be reborn in the body of the spirit, immortal, and never needing anything that constrained you on earth. Just a thought.
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fredworthmn
I do not accept the premise that evil exists in this world. The examples you gave are not evil in an absolute sense so I think you must start any philosophical thought exercise with a definition which we can accept and more forward on. I will not accept a -satan- based evil as I have no concept that will allow his existence. I will not accept natural -evil- as -evil- no more than I would accept a venomous snake as evil.
When you philosophize on a undefined term you are just blowing hot air.
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I do not accept the premise that evil exists in this world. The examples you gave are not evil in an absolute sense so I think you must start any philosophical thought exercise with a definition which we can accept and more forward on. I will not accept a -satan- based evil as I have no concept that will allow his existence. I will not accept natural -evil- as -evil- no more than I would accept a venomous snake as evil.
When you philosophize on a undefined term you are just blowing hot air.
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Kara
Thanks for your video -CrashCourse!
I would love to see a video addressing how evil can exist without the existence of an objective moral standard. This is another side of the same coin, because if someone considered the existence of evil in the world a good reason to believe God doesn't exist, I'd love to see where that same person believes evil comes from, and therefore if it is binding and true. or simply people's opinions.
Love your work! I hope you do my request -
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Thanks for your video -CrashCourse!
I would love to see a video addressing how evil can exist without the existence of an objective moral standard. This is another side of the same coin, because if someone considered the existence of evil in the world a good reason to believe God doesn't exist, I'd love to see where that same person believes evil comes from, and therefore if it is binding and true. or simply people's opinions.
Love your work! I hope you do my request -
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Fernando
Another possibility: God is all everything, and evil, or good, doe's not exist as we know. They are only premature human atributions about the nature of something. Atributions that might be proven wrong after some time. Humans cant predict accurately what is going to happen after a small range of time. Neither in a geological range. So anything that feels -bad- now, might be -good- in 50, or 50000 years. Morals shift from culture to culture, historicaly speaking.
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Another possibility: God is all everything, and evil, or good, doe's not exist as we know. They are only premature human atributions about the nature of something. Atributions that might be proven wrong after some time. Humans cant predict accurately what is going to happen after a small range of time. Neither in a geological range. So anything that feels -bad- now, might be -good- in 50, or 50000 years. Morals shift from culture to culture, historicaly speaking.
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Hurbig
How do we know that this is not the minimum dosage? If only paper cuts existed, then we might see them as something so terrible, that we question the goodness of god and yet are unable to see much of the goodness.
The only thing I grapple with is why evil hits people so differently. It can-t be right that some people have to experience so much evil just so other people can know how good they have it.
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How do we know that this is not the minimum dosage? If only paper cuts existed, then we might see them as something so terrible, that we question the goodness of god and yet are unable to see much of the goodness.
The only thing I grapple with is why evil hits people so differently. It can-t be right that some people have to experience so much evil just so other people can know how good they have it.
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