Batman & Identity: Crash Course Philosophy #18
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Date: 2022-04-04
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Aryan
So ultimately essential properties are the properties which we value and can't be replicated. For example Hank's mug was the first cc mug to be manufactured. any mug cosmetically identical can't be the same mug because the broken mug's value was in it being the first one manufactured.
But this poses another identity problem as suppose I make the mugs for crash course. And instead of making one mug at a time, I make two mugs at a time. That means two mugs now can be considered as the first one manufactured. If now Nick replaces Hank's mug with other mug produced at the exact same moment, does hank have a different or the same mug? (Assume that Hank hates the person who gave him the former mug and that particular person or moment holds no value to him)
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So ultimately essential properties are the properties which we value and can't be replicated. For example Hank's mug was the first cc mug to be manufactured. any mug cosmetically identical can't be the same mug because the broken mug's value was in it being the first one manufactured.
But this poses another identity problem as suppose I make the mugs for crash course. And instead of making one mug at a time, I make two mugs at a time. That means two mugs now can be considered as the first one manufactured. If now Nick replaces Hank's mug with other mug produced at the exact same moment, does hank have a different or the same mug? (Assume that Hank hates the person who gave him the former mug and that particular person or moment holds no value to him)
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Thomas
Maybe it-s worth thinking about the identity of a person, place, or thing as being an amalgam of percentiles. Maybe you can-t say exactly what percentage of Batman and Bruce Wayne is either one, but you could feasibly try to. It-s easier to quantify a single deck plank on a ship as being maybe 0. 2% of that ship, and if it-s replaced then you-re still left with a ship that is 99. 8% the original ship.
But then again, the identity of a ship goes beyond its materials. It also has to do with its shape, its purpose, its recognizability. You could argue that any single plank that is replaced is just as fungible as what plank replaces it. But I-d a ship identified by its functional existence or its sentimental one? Depends on who owns the ship I guess.
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Maybe it-s worth thinking about the identity of a person, place, or thing as being an amalgam of percentiles. Maybe you can-t say exactly what percentage of Batman and Bruce Wayne is either one, but you could feasibly try to. It-s easier to quantify a single deck plank on a ship as being maybe 0. 2% of that ship, and if it-s replaced then you-re still left with a ship that is 99. 8% the original ship.
But then again, the identity of a ship goes beyond its materials. It also has to do with its shape, its purpose, its recognizability. You could argue that any single plank that is replaced is just as fungible as what plank replaces it. But I-d a ship identified by its functional existence or its sentimental one? Depends on who owns the ship I guess.
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Hyo-Jin
Interestingly, one of the most important things that I learn from your course is I should be thinking -who cares? should I care? I don't care! - I've never seen any other philosophy teachers or professors saying -who cares? - Honestly, that was a big -a-ha- moment. I've always thought -Oh. so I should care about this, that, this, that, this, that. - I felt overwhelmed and suffocated that things that seem I should care increased. But now I learn that learning philosophical issues and questions is important, but reflecting if I DO care about the issue is also important. Too late, as being in my 40s, but who cares? I can make some changes from now on. Thank you!
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Interestingly, one of the most important things that I learn from your course is I should be thinking -who cares? should I care? I don't care! - I've never seen any other philosophy teachers or professors saying -who cares? - Honestly, that was a big -a-ha- moment. I've always thought -Oh. so I should care about this, that, this, that, this, that. - I felt overwhelmed and suffocated that things that seem I should care increased. But now I learn that learning philosophical issues and questions is important, but reflecting if I DO care about the issue is also important. Too late, as being in my 40s, but who cares? I can make some changes from now on. Thank you!
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Natalia
you know, every time i hear the intro for crash course i feel comfort. Learning with you guys is a education I am thankful for and i appreciate your influence and i hope you know how many you help and assist in gaining new skills thought through and critical thinking in every subject. the direct one on one contact helps so much. but you all talk so fast i need to watch this is 0. 75 haha.
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you know, every time i hear the intro for crash course i feel comfort. Learning with you guys is a education I am thankful for and i appreciate your influence and i hope you know how many you help and assist in gaining new skills thought through and critical thinking in every subject. the direct one on one contact helps so much. but you all talk so fast i need to watch this is 0. 75 haha.
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Sam
There's a difference between what a thing is and what we refer to it as. If atoms are arranged in a way that composes a tree, then those atoms, for the rest of time, are part of a tree. Even if they're incinerated, or made into notebooks, or a million other things. But that doesn't mean anyone would or should refer to their notebook as a tree.
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There's a difference between what a thing is and what we refer to it as. If atoms are arranged in a way that composes a tree, then those atoms, for the rest of time, are part of a tree. Even if they're incinerated, or made into notebooks, or a million other things. But that doesn't mean anyone would or should refer to their notebook as a tree.
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Nickidemic
All objects have multiple properties, and the more those properties line up with something we recognize, the more it lines up with that identity. If we think of a lump of clay that has been molded into a cat, then slowly being molded into a dog, there isn't a clear point when it stops being a cat; there are gradations of identity.
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All objects have multiple properties, and the more those properties line up with something we recognize, the more it lines up with that identity. If we think of a lump of clay that has been molded into a cat, then slowly being molded into a dog, there isn't a clear point when it stops being a cat; there are gradations of identity.
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Jacob
Saying that batman isn't Bruce Wayne is like me saying I hold a different identity when I change my outfit or am in a different mood. The clothes he is wearing and fighting style are accidental properties. The essential DNA make-up of Bruce Wayne is identical to batman, and is what makes him identical in identity.
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Saying that batman isn't Bruce Wayne is like me saying I hold a different identity when I change my outfit or am in a different mood. The clothes he is wearing and fighting style are accidental properties. The essential DNA make-up of Bruce Wayne is identical to batman, and is what makes him identical in identity.
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Julius
but if Lumpl. has no distinctive shape or doesn't need a form in order to be Lumpl. that means that even if you turn Lumpl into Goliath. Lumpl is Goliath but since Goliath needs a distinctive shape and form in order to be Goliath. Lumpl is always Goliath but Goliath can never be Lumpl.
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but if Lumpl. has no distinctive shape or doesn't need a form in order to be Lumpl. that means that even if you turn Lumpl into Goliath. Lumpl is Goliath but since Goliath needs a distinctive shape and form in order to be Goliath. Lumpl is always Goliath but Goliath can never be Lumpl.
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Theo
If you haven't seen it already, the opening reminded me of the scene from Only Fools and Horses where trigger was like:
-This broom has been in my family for generations, from my great great granddad.
It's had 12 different handles and 16 new heads-
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If you haven't seen it already, the opening reminded me of the scene from Only Fools and Horses where trigger was like:
-This broom has been in my family for generations, from my great great granddad.
It's had 12 different handles and 16 new heads-
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ninad
According to me; Things are same as long as the the properties that matter to you the most are same as before.
Example: - the mug is given by your father. These fact is never gonna change. Even if all you have left are pieces of the mug.
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According to me; Things are same as long as the the properties that matter to you the most are same as before.
Example: - the mug is given by your father. These fact is never gonna change. Even if all you have left are pieces of the mug.
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