Biomedicine: Crash Course History of Science #34
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Date: 2022-04-04
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hedgehog3180
I think it should also be mentioned that it turned out that most of the research done by the Nazis and Imperial Japan was worthless because of poor methodology, data was often changed to align with ideas of racial superiority and the people used in the first place were often sick and malnourished meaning that they don't represent healthy patients. For example it's pretty obvious that a well fed person is going to deal with cold better. And of course a lot of their theories were just really bad which again makes their research worthless. People try to justify these experiments with -at least we got data out of it- but in reality we didn't even do that and in reality the lesson is that science done without a consideration for ethics is worthless.
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I think it should also be mentioned that it turned out that most of the research done by the Nazis and Imperial Japan was worthless because of poor methodology, data was often changed to align with ideas of racial superiority and the people used in the first place were often sick and malnourished meaning that they don't represent healthy patients. For example it's pretty obvious that a well fed person is going to deal with cold better. And of course a lot of their theories were just really bad which again makes their research worthless. People try to justify these experiments with -at least we got data out of it- but in reality we didn't even do that and in reality the lesson is that science done without a consideration for ethics is worthless.
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luka
There seems to be a misconception in Drew-s grave, where there is a Caduceus, that is, actually, not the symbol for medicine but for commerce, instead of the Rod of Asclepius, the greek good of medicine (the mythology behind him is amazing, recommended for everyone who reads this. I see a lot of confusion regarding the symbol for medicine, which, as a Brazilian med student, makes me a little sad, because the symbol is purposely chosen to be the symbol of the god of medicine as a reminder that, as much as physicians are dedicated to their jobs, death is not a thing for mortals to control, that, so far, there has never been someone that died and came back to life. Beautiful symbology.
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There seems to be a misconception in Drew-s grave, where there is a Caduceus, that is, actually, not the symbol for medicine but for commerce, instead of the Rod of Asclepius, the greek good of medicine (the mythology behind him is amazing, recommended for everyone who reads this. I see a lot of confusion regarding the symbol for medicine, which, as a Brazilian med student, makes me a little sad, because the symbol is purposely chosen to be the symbol of the god of medicine as a reminder that, as much as physicians are dedicated to their jobs, death is not a thing for mortals to control, that, so far, there has never been someone that died and came back to life. Beautiful symbology.
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Thau-
Glad you didn't left out Unit 731. People seem to forget Japan was as bad, if not worse than Nazi Germany; I believe for the sake of supporting the -USA bad- narrative because of those two nukes.
But let's not forget that Eugenics, or at least the populational control bit, was commonplace and advocated for in the scientific comunity, basically for Malthusian motives. Germany just happened to take it to the next level and actually do it, basing their whole existential philosophy around it and spicing it up with some Genocide, then lose a war aghainst basically the whole damn planet.
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Glad you didn't left out Unit 731. People seem to forget Japan was as bad, if not worse than Nazi Germany; I believe for the sake of supporting the -USA bad- narrative because of those two nukes.
But let's not forget that Eugenics, or at least the populational control bit, was commonplace and advocated for in the scientific comunity, basically for Malthusian motives. Germany just happened to take it to the next level and actually do it, basing their whole existential philosophy around it and spicing it up with some Genocide, then lose a war aghainst basically the whole damn planet.
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William
I have no defense for the racism, but Americans, at least some of us, have a visceral negative reaction to any semblance of aristocracy and nobility. I'm even irritated with lawyers being given the title esquire, or the name chosen by the Knights of Columbus. So, unless since country decides that can grant knighthoods to noncitizens, American scientists are screwed out of that particular honor. I think we have some other honor? But I don't know it, and I doubt other countries recognize it as equivalent.
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I have no defense for the racism, but Americans, at least some of us, have a visceral negative reaction to any semblance of aristocracy and nobility. I'm even irritated with lawyers being given the title esquire, or the name chosen by the Knights of Columbus. So, unless since country decides that can grant knighthoods to noncitizens, American scientists are screwed out of that particular honor. I think we have some other honor? But I don't know it, and I doubt other countries recognize it as equivalent.
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Kate
HANK! I am also allergic to sulfas. You are the first other person that I know that has this. I know LOTS of people who are allergic to penicillin, but not sulfas. I also have to limit intake of processed meats and certain kinds of wine due to sulphur compounds. I don't turn into a giant puff - my pancreas freaks out and I get itchy. No fun at all!
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HANK! I am also allergic to sulfas. You are the first other person that I know that has this. I know LOTS of people who are allergic to penicillin, but not sulfas. I also have to limit intake of processed meats and certain kinds of wine due to sulphur compounds. I don't turn into a giant puff - my pancreas freaks out and I get itchy. No fun at all!
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hedgehog3180
Penicillin should probably be congratulated as one of the greatest heroes of WWII, it's mass introduction and use by the allies probably saved thousands on D-day. It's probably one of the most optimistic parts about WWII, the introduction of this new medicine was truly a miracle that probably did more than any weapon to win the war.
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Penicillin should probably be congratulated as one of the greatest heroes of WWII, it's mass introduction and use by the allies probably saved thousands on D-day. It's probably one of the most optimistic parts about WWII, the introduction of this new medicine was truly a miracle that probably did more than any weapon to win the war.
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Fredrik
10: 45 And almost immideatly regretted it because the data of both the Japanese and German horror shows were pretty much worthless, they had more in common with a kid frying ants with a magnifying glass than with the meticulous scientific process. Curious sadism rather than true exploration of the universe.
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10: 45 And almost immideatly regretted it because the data of both the Japanese and German horror shows were pretty much worthless, they had more in common with a kid frying ants with a magnifying glass than with the meticulous scientific process. Curious sadism rather than true exploration of the universe.
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JeshikaKazeno
Judging by those malnutrition experiments on First Nations kids that ended in the 1990s, I'm gonna take a wild guess and say that Canada was not 100% on board with this whole -Nuremberg Code- philosophy.
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Judging by those malnutrition experiments on First Nations kids that ended in the 1990s, I'm gonna take a wild guess and say that Canada was not 100% on board with this whole -Nuremberg Code- philosophy.
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Sword
Still waiting to hear what research papers and advances in medicine came from the Nazi and Japanese experiments on prisoners. Always remember to ask for that when apologists try to defend their actions.
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Still waiting to hear what research papers and advances in medicine came from the Nazi and Japanese experiments on prisoners. Always remember to ask for that when apologists try to defend their actions.
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DragoniteSpam
I literally did not hear of Unit 731 until about an hour ago when someone brought it up in passing, and now I hear about it again from here. the universe is trying to tell me something, I guess.
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I literally did not hear of Unit 731 until about an hour ago when someone brought it up in passing, and now I hear about it again from here. the universe is trying to tell me something, I guess.
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