
Syntax - Trees: Crash Course Linguistics #4
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Date: 2022-04-04
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Firenter
I have a fun recursive story
It was night, midnight specifically. There were many bandits in the forest. While they were sitting around the campfire they asked their amazing leader Peter to tell them a story. And so Peter began:
It was night, midnight specifically. There were many bandits in the forest. While they were sitting around the campfire they asked their amazing leader Peter to tell them a story. And so Peter began:
It was night, midnight specifically. There were many bandits in the forest. While they were sitting around the campfire they asked their amazing leader Peter to tell them a story. And so Peter began:
It was night, midnight specifically. There were many bandits in the forest. While they were sitting around the campfire they asked their amazing leader Peter to tell them a story. And so Peter began:
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I have a fun recursive story
It was night, midnight specifically. There were many bandits in the forest. While they were sitting around the campfire they asked their amazing leader Peter to tell them a story. And so Peter began:
It was night, midnight specifically. There were many bandits in the forest. While they were sitting around the campfire they asked their amazing leader Peter to tell them a story. And so Peter began:
It was night, midnight specifically. There were many bandits in the forest. While they were sitting around the campfire they asked their amazing leader Peter to tell them a story. And so Peter began:
It was night, midnight specifically. There were many bandits in the forest. While they were sitting around the campfire they asked their amazing leader Peter to tell them a story. And so Peter began:
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QemeH
It's interesting that with all the ambiguity over the -one-eyed one-horned flying purple people eater- there is still such thing as a -correct- order of adjectives in english. Most native speakers do this without even knowing the rule or noticing, but I had to learn it and it's still a dead giveaway when I mess up the order. But for adjectives referring to the same noun, the order absolutely positively has to be:
-Opinion > size > physical quality > shape > age > colour > origin > material > type > purpose-
That's why -She was a beautiful, tall, thin, young, black-haired, Scottish woman. - sounds like a good sentence to native speakers, but as age comes before origin no -Scottish young woman- can exist.
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It's interesting that with all the ambiguity over the -one-eyed one-horned flying purple people eater- there is still such thing as a -correct- order of adjectives in english. Most native speakers do this without even knowing the rule or noticing, but I had to learn it and it's still a dead giveaway when I mess up the order. But for adjectives referring to the same noun, the order absolutely positively has to be:
-Opinion > size > physical quality > shape > age > colour > origin > material > type > purpose-
That's why -She was a beautiful, tall, thin, young, black-haired, Scottish woman. - sounds like a good sentence to native speakers, but as age comes before origin no -Scottish young woman- can exist.
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Tristan
I'm kind of sad you glossed over how -Taylor sees- is a valid constituent phrase, and how that example actually showed how what acts and what is acted upon are both _equally_ linked to the action, and that constituents can be broken down in ways different from the _typical_ convention. I mean, I know this _is_ crash course, and I know you _mentioned_ that other models and conceptions of grammar exist, but this presentation _might_ lead some people to get a wrong impression of grammatical structures. The downside of a strictly dendritic model is that it doesn't capture the ways that grammar often uses those overlapping Venn-diagram structures. :( But anyway, I'm still loving this series!
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I'm kind of sad you glossed over how -Taylor sees- is a valid constituent phrase, and how that example actually showed how what acts and what is acted upon are both _equally_ linked to the action, and that constituents can be broken down in ways different from the _typical_ convention. I mean, I know this _is_ crash course, and I know you _mentioned_ that other models and conceptions of grammar exist, but this presentation _might_ lead some people to get a wrong impression of grammatical structures. The downside of a strictly dendritic model is that it doesn't capture the ways that grammar often uses those overlapping Venn-diagram structures. :( But anyway, I'm still loving this series!
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Matt
Great video! Seeing Context-Free Grammars always makes me miss my days writing syntax trees in undergrad. I'm glad you mentioned that syntactic grammars are descriptive tools, and that they don't necessarily represent what goes on in our heads. I've spent a lot of time in grad school doing work in computational psycholinguistics, and most of that was about trying to tease apart the order of operations for how we parse syntax.
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Great video! Seeing Context-Free Grammars always makes me miss my days writing syntax trees in undergrad. I'm glad you mentioned that syntactic grammars are descriptive tools, and that they don't necessarily represent what goes on in our heads. I've spent a lot of time in grad school doing work in computational psycholinguistics, and most of that was about trying to tease apart the order of operations for how we parse syntax.
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Sharon
love seeing a split in the comments between those ling folks who dread syntax fully and those who love it. I remember in undergrad I described my relationship with syntax with that scene in Harry Potter where Ron reads Harry's tea leaves; -You're going to suffer. But you're going to be happy about it? -
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love seeing a split in the comments between those ling folks who dread syntax fully and those who love it. I remember in undergrad I described my relationship with syntax with that scene in Harry Potter where Ron reads Harry's tea leaves; -You're going to suffer. But you're going to be happy about it? -
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Mintcarousel
i was taught the theory that uses determiner phrases; but uhhh dont expect me to know how to tell the theoretical differences. i think my syntax 1 professor was using something called the Minimalist Program and i think that might be why i prefer not to bother with syntax now.
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i was taught the theory that uses determiner phrases; but uhhh dont expect me to know how to tell the theoretical differences. i think my syntax 1 professor was using something called the Minimalist Program and i think that might be why i prefer not to bother with syntax now.
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Duncan
As a programmer, I'm really fascinated by the parallels linguistics has with various concepts in computer science. It makes sense since programming languages are indeed languages with their own syntax and semantics rules, but also other concepts like recursion exist in both.
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As a programmer, I'm really fascinated by the parallels linguistics has with various concepts in computer science. It makes sense since programming languages are indeed languages with their own syntax and semantics rules, but also other concepts like recursion exist in both.
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Tfin
In the universe on Friday? Ack! Where was the galaxy on Thursday!
BTW, the monster in the song flies, has one eye, and one horn. Somehow, it manages to look like an eater of purple people without the speaker knowing what such a thing might look like.
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In the universe on Friday? Ack! Where was the galaxy on Thursday!
BTW, the monster in the song flies, has one eye, and one horn. Somehow, it manages to look like an eater of purple people without the speaker knowing what such a thing might look like.
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angeldude101
I spy an AST! (Abstract Syntax Tree, a structure very well known to programming language writers and compiler developers) Unfortunately, English is ambiguous and one sentence gets multiple parse trees, which is why we don't program in English.
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I spy an AST! (Abstract Syntax Tree, a structure very well known to programming language writers and compiler developers) Unfortunately, English is ambiguous and one sentence gets multiple parse trees, which is why we don't program in English.
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Luc
You should always measure the lap time of flies whilst you take the form of one particular arrow.
-Time flies like an arrow. -
Either that or member of the special timecop unit -The Time Flies-, they like it when there-s a arrow on their HUD.
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You should always measure the lap time of flies whilst you take the form of one particular arrow.
-Time flies like an arrow. -
Either that or member of the special timecop unit -The Time Flies-, they like it when there-s a arrow on their HUD.
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