Apple-s MS-DOS Compatible 486 Macintosh from 1995!
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Date: 2022-04-14
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The Turing Test isn't designed to show whether a computer can think; it's designed to show whether a computer can imitate a human well enough for the human to be fooled. That's part of the genius of Ex Machina; Caleb even -knew- that Ava was a computer, and still he was fooled. But that is what Nathan was actually testing; Caleb was his guinea pig. He wasn't testing Ava; he was testing Caleb (and therefore other humans) against Ava. He eventually explained this to Caleb but by then it was too late (and he also did so in a pretty indirect, ineffective way, and Caleb had already cemented his feelings about Ava. Supposed to be a cautionary tale of what will happen if we continue trying to design AI that can fool us into feeling something - we'll just be creating master manipulators without the emotions, morality and logic required to keep that in check. Essentially a bunch of robot sociopaths.
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The Turing Test isn't designed to show whether a computer can think; it's designed to show whether a computer can imitate a human well enough for the human to be fooled. That's part of the genius of Ex Machina; Caleb even -knew- that Ava was a computer, and still he was fooled. But that is what Nathan was actually testing; Caleb was his guinea pig. He wasn't testing Ava; he was testing Caleb (and therefore other humans) against Ava. He eventually explained this to Caleb but by then it was too late (and he also did so in a pretty indirect, ineffective way, and Caleb had already cemented his feelings about Ava. Supposed to be a cautionary tale of what will happen if we continue trying to design AI that can fool us into feeling something - we'll just be creating master manipulators without the emotions, morality and logic required to keep that in check. Essentially a bunch of robot sociopaths.
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ChaosX
I think I saw something like this in 8th grade. However, during 10th grade ('96-'97, the programming computer lab upgraded to something very similar for our Turbo Pascal class. Except to save money you could get a version that came with an optional upgrade for the PC side of things using Cyrix CPUs from what I recall. Instead the MacOS ran a program called SoftDOS or something like that. So basically it was ideal for Turbo Pascal programs and anything else without the Cyrix upgrade ran slow af. I remember trying out all sorts of stuff on these machines once I became lab assistant my senior year with all the master passwords. I definitely remember having to use a key for the right click though, I believe it was the same key.
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I think I saw something like this in 8th grade. However, during 10th grade ('96-'97, the programming computer lab upgraded to something very similar for our Turbo Pascal class. Except to save money you could get a version that came with an optional upgrade for the PC side of things using Cyrix CPUs from what I recall. Instead the MacOS ran a program called SoftDOS or something like that. So basically it was ideal for Turbo Pascal programs and anything else without the Cyrix upgrade ran slow af. I remember trying out all sorts of stuff on these machines once I became lab assistant my senior year with all the master passwords. I definitely remember having to use a key for the right click though, I believe it was the same key.
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fanjoy
Those memory prices remind me of the price of an 80MB HDD back in the early 1990's. I think one for the AST laptop I had was about $500 for an 80MB upgrade, from the 40MB that was installed. But for someone who maybe needed to have compatibility between both operating systems, this was probably cheaper than having two separate computers back in the day. Plus you can switch back and forth on the go and not tie up desk space. And even back then 72MB of RAM was quite plenty, considering I think Windows 95 ran on 8-16MB of RAM and Windows 3. 1 ran on 4-8MB I believe. Heck some of the early Pentium computers only shipped with 16, 32 or 64MB of RAM, but they could usually go up to 128MB.
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Those memory prices remind me of the price of an 80MB HDD back in the early 1990's. I think one for the AST laptop I had was about $500 for an 80MB upgrade, from the 40MB that was installed. But for someone who maybe needed to have compatibility between both operating systems, this was probably cheaper than having two separate computers back in the day. Plus you can switch back and forth on the go and not tie up desk space. And even back then 72MB of RAM was quite plenty, considering I think Windows 95 ran on 8-16MB of RAM and Windows 3. 1 ran on 4-8MB I believe. Heck some of the early Pentium computers only shipped with 16, 32 or 64MB of RAM, but they could usually go up to 128MB.
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MaGioZal
This period was an era when Apple was suffering heavily from the introduction of Windows 95, which cut most of the advantages the Mac OS (then Macintosh System) had for years.
The PowerPC took so long to have native software, including the OS itself, so from a period in the 90s Quadras were faster than PowerPCs in running tasks.
Apple introduced the -DOS-Compatible- Macs as a almost last resort to get a eventual PC buyer to have a Mac. But these dual-computers were in fact less Powerful than Pentiums and Quadras, costing almost the sum of the two.
No wonder Apple was at the point of being bought by Sun and Oracle- before the return of Steve Jobs.
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This period was an era when Apple was suffering heavily from the introduction of Windows 95, which cut most of the advantages the Mac OS (then Macintosh System) had for years.
The PowerPC took so long to have native software, including the OS itself, so from a period in the 90s Quadras were faster than PowerPCs in running tasks.
Apple introduced the -DOS-Compatible- Macs as a almost last resort to get a eventual PC buyer to have a Mac. But these dual-computers were in fact less Powerful than Pentiums and Quadras, costing almost the sum of the two.
No wonder Apple was at the point of being bought by Sun and Oracle- before the return of Steve Jobs.
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Lander1
I remember there being a Computer Lab full of these as well as about 15 of them in the Library of our High School. There was a single Computer Graphics class that used them in Mac mode, the entire rest of the time they would be used in Dos mode, we would all use them to finalise and print out our assignments we had usually started at home on our own IBM PC's.
Back then having a Mac as a home PC was rare, and we pittied anyone afflicted with one, as they were expensive in the extreme and had a closed software base, meaning you weren't able to enjoy the thriving IBM shareware gaming scene that existed at the time.
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I remember there being a Computer Lab full of these as well as about 15 of them in the Library of our High School. There was a single Computer Graphics class that used them in Mac mode, the entire rest of the time they would be used in Dos mode, we would all use them to finalise and print out our assignments we had usually started at home on our own IBM PC's.
Back then having a Mac as a home PC was rare, and we pittied anyone afflicted with one, as they were expensive in the extreme and had a closed software base, meaning you weren't able to enjoy the thriving IBM shareware gaming scene that existed at the time.
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F. O.
Should have mentioned this baby had a metal case. No retro brighting needed!
Our business had one of these. It kept failing. We had Apple's onsite service, so Stan the repair guy swapped out RAM--no luck. Then he swapped out the power supply--still no luck. Finally after multiple trips the entire insides had been replaced and it still was acting up. As a last resort Stand replaced the whole case. Bingo! Everything worked after that. All I can guess is the old case had a manufacturing flaw and was creating a short somewhere. Either that or the thing was haunted!
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Should have mentioned this baby had a metal case. No retro brighting needed!
Our business had one of these. It kept failing. We had Apple's onsite service, so Stan the repair guy swapped out RAM--no luck. Then he swapped out the power supply--still no luck. Finally after multiple trips the entire insides had been replaced and it still was acting up. As a last resort Stand replaced the whole case. Bingo! Everything worked after that. All I can guess is the old case had a manufacturing flaw and was creating a short somewhere. Either that or the thing was haunted!
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Felipe
Man, I don't know why but I love to let your videos playing and listening you talk about anccient technology from 199x, to see how much we evolved owr computer memory passing from MB to GB and in a near future we can reach TB maybe. To Hear you talking the specs from something I'm not paying attention: 128kb of ztx something graphic card, axp 32mb of sound don't know what. soo cool see all the new releases from the past and all the big things I've lost in those years
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Man, I don't know why but I love to let your videos playing and listening you talk about anccient technology from 199x, to see how much we evolved owr computer memory passing from MB to GB and in a near future we can reach TB maybe. To Hear you talking the specs from something I'm not paying attention: 128kb of ztx something graphic card, axp 32mb of sound don't know what. soo cool see all the new releases from the past and all the big things I've lost in those years
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Brian
My high school had 2 of these. All the rest of the computers in our lab were 486 PC-s. I always wondered why they weren-t networked like the PC-s-now I know why-no BNC NIC card! I do remember playing DOOM on it. It must have had the max setup, because Doom ran very smooth. The only thing I hated about Macs of the 90-s era-can-t type a MS works file on a Mac then finish it on a PC. We had a 486 DX at home.
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My high school had 2 of these. All the rest of the computers in our lab were 486 PC-s. I always wondered why they weren-t networked like the PC-s-now I know why-no BNC NIC card! I do remember playing DOOM on it. It must have had the max setup, because Doom ran very smooth. The only thing I hated about Macs of the 90-s era-can-t type a MS works file on a Mac then finish it on a PC. We had a 486 DX at home.
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Sean
I had one of these. I could play Doom! Had some issues because the Mac side would be doing stuff and it would affect the Windows side. If a screen saver went on on the Mac side it would freeze the Windows side, took me months to figure out the source of that.
Doom ran just fine for me, not sure what problem you were having.
I eventually upgraded to a Performa 6400, that was a good machine.
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I had one of these. I could play Doom! Had some issues because the Mac side would be doing stuff and it would affect the Windows side. If a screen saver went on on the Mac side it would freeze the Windows side, took me months to figure out the source of that.
Doom ran just fine for me, not sure what problem you were having.
I eventually upgraded to a Performa 6400, that was a good machine.
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Applecompuser
I bought this horrible computer. What a mistake tho it was a good idea! It was my last Apple product until the 5s iPone. Mine was $3, 000. 00. The dos side was flawed and the Mac side was very under powered. My Mac Centris was a better computer. Jane-s Fleet Command would not work on the Dos side of mine among other issues.
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I bought this horrible computer. What a mistake tho it was a good idea! It was my last Apple product until the 5s iPone. Mine was $3, 000. 00. The dos side was flawed and the Mac side was very under powered. My Mac Centris was a better computer. Jane-s Fleet Command would not work on the Dos side of mine among other issues.
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