Nobody understands playing cards not even the experts
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Date: 2025-01-11
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Yareyous
As to the point about there being infinite permutations of decks cards, I heard this story once and found it to be a fun and compelling description of that concept: There are two people, one of shuffling a deck of cards. For every second that passes this person is going through one new permutation. The other person, meanwhile, takes one step over 1 million years. Two steps, two million years, etc. This person does this until they've circumnavigated the entire planet. Once them get back to where they started, they then take one drop of water out of the ocean. One million more years, one more step, one more trip around the world, and they take a second drop of water out of the ocean. They do this until there is no water left in the ocean. Once it's dry, they then take a piece of paper and place it on the ground. One more step, one more pass around the world, and then they put one drop of water back in the ocean. This is done until it is full again. A second piece of paper. This process keeps happening until this stack of paper reaches the sun. 3000 times. Once that last piece of paper has touched the sun, only then will the first person have finished shuffling that deck of cards and will have seen every permutation of cards.
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As to the point about there being infinite permutations of decks cards, I heard this story once and found it to be a fun and compelling description of that concept: There are two people, one of shuffling a deck of cards. For every second that passes this person is going through one new permutation. The other person, meanwhile, takes one step over 1 million years. Two steps, two million years, etc. This person does this until they've circumnavigated the entire planet. Once them get back to where they started, they then take one drop of water out of the ocean. One million more years, one more step, one more trip around the world, and they take a second drop of water out of the ocean. They do this until there is no water left in the ocean. Once it's dry, they then take a piece of paper and place it on the ground. One more step, one more pass around the world, and then they put one drop of water back in the ocean. This is done until it is full again. A second piece of paper. This process keeps happening until this stack of paper reaches the sun. 3000 times. Once that last piece of paper has touched the sun, only then will the first person have finished shuffling that deck of cards and will have seen every permutation of cards.
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TheZotmeister
This has gone straight into the Favorites. This whole video is incredibly well done and shines a bright light on something that seems niche at first glance but actually has a very large fanbase. I was one of the beta testers for _A Solitaire Mystery_ (and possibly the proverbial wielder of the biggest stick poking him to get that project finished XD ) and there are absolutely incredible ideas in there which were NOT easy to implement at all - I'm as impressed by it now as ever, and it's great to see it getting some exposure. I collect physical decks of cards (when I can afford to) and there's something just naturally satisfying about holding and shuffling them, and getting to solve a little puzzle afterward in the form of Penguin solitaire is the icing on the cake.
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This has gone straight into the Favorites. This whole video is incredibly well done and shines a bright light on something that seems niche at first glance but actually has a very large fanbase. I was one of the beta testers for _A Solitaire Mystery_ (and possibly the proverbial wielder of the biggest stick poking him to get that project finished XD ) and there are absolutely incredible ideas in there which were NOT easy to implement at all - I'm as impressed by it now as ever, and it's great to see it getting some exposure. I collect physical decks of cards (when I can afford to) and there's something just naturally satisfying about holding and shuffling them, and getting to solve a little puzzle afterward in the form of Penguin solitaire is the icing on the cake.
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bumblegoot1139
I recently got my first ever deck of Tarot Cards for Christmas. I have been seeing them in media all my life, but reading through the little booklet and going down my own rabbit hole really did make me realize that these cards are so packed with rich history and meaning. I’ve started making my own little games with them, and it’s unbelievable fun. I even know how to do Tarot readings now (even if they don’t really mean anything.
When it comes to games, the cards are the code, and the Tarot is like the ancient code that eventually evolved into the modern 52 card deck. It’s super fascinating stuff.
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I recently got my first ever deck of Tarot Cards for Christmas. I have been seeing them in media all my life, but reading through the little booklet and going down my own rabbit hole really did make me realize that these cards are so packed with rich history and meaning. I’ve started making my own little games with them, and it’s unbelievable fun. I even know how to do Tarot readings now (even if they don’t really mean anything.
When it comes to games, the cards are the code, and the Tarot is like the ancient code that eventually evolved into the modern 52 card deck. It’s super fascinating stuff.
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goopy9068
YES! i have had a longstanding obsession with playing cards and a growing playing card deck! I love solitaire, and love shuffling cards. Im excited to check out these new solitaires, and ESPECIALLY the ones in the solitaire mysteries collection that can be played physically!
another version of solitaire i enjoy is Radical Solitaire! it takes the problem of unsolvable games, and gives you a minigame to change the card to make it beatable. ive won 547 games, abandoned 83, and have played for 55 hours! its on appstore as well as steam, so im not accounting for my steam time.
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YES! i have had a longstanding obsession with playing cards and a growing playing card deck! I love solitaire, and love shuffling cards. Im excited to check out these new solitaires, and ESPECIALLY the ones in the solitaire mysteries collection that can be played physically!
another version of solitaire i enjoy is Radical Solitaire! it takes the problem of unsolvable games, and gives you a minigame to change the card to make it beatable. ive won 547 games, abandoned 83, and have played for 55 hours! its on appstore as well as steam, so im not accounting for my steam time.
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clashmovator6130
I was working on an RPG one time with a minigame that was a bit of a cross between poker and tarot. But I was much younger and oblivious to the statistical rabbit hole I was trying to crawl down when I was trying to analyze the odds of drawing winning hands by letting players customize the deck by adding and removing suits, faces and numbers. If I had approached it as a roguelike where the deck composition would ultimately reset, I'd have probably gotten somewhere with it. Instead I grappled with trying to balance the minigame and it didn't go well.
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I was working on an RPG one time with a minigame that was a bit of a cross between poker and tarot. But I was much younger and oblivious to the statistical rabbit hole I was trying to crawl down when I was trying to analyze the odds of drawing winning hands by letting players customize the deck by adding and removing suits, faces and numbers. If I had approached it as a roguelike where the deck composition would ultimately reset, I'd have probably gotten somewhere with it. Instead I grappled with trying to balance the minigame and it didn't go well.
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lauravturner
It's why casual MtG Commander is one of my favourite multiplayer games ever; it has been rated THE MOST COMPLEX GAME EVER MADE. Over 34000 cards printed, hundreds of rules, every single deck having 100 cards you may have never seen before. No two games ever happen the same way. Never. It's intense with so many people having to play around the limited knowledge of the decks so far and having to plan for any possibility. Someone could wipe the board or win with a combo any moment. Games can last 5 minutes or 10 hours.
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It's why casual MtG Commander is one of my favourite multiplayer games ever; it has been rated THE MOST COMPLEX GAME EVER MADE. Over 34000 cards printed, hundreds of rules, every single deck having 100 cards you may have never seen before. No two games ever happen the same way. Never. It's intense with so many people having to play around the limited knowledge of the decks so far and having to plan for any possibility. Someone could wipe the board or win with a combo any moment. Games can last 5 minutes or 10 hours.
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charredUtensil
I'm sorry but. Sawayama Of everything in the Zachtronics collection Fortune's Foundation is the best one. Cluj and Shenzhen are next. Sigmar's Garden, Kabafuda, and Proletariat's Patience are about tied, and then I'd put Sawayama dead last. (I don't really play Cribbage because it's not the kind of gameplay I'm looking for so I won't rank it) I've been playing runs of each game in order and find Sawayama's gameplay to be extraordinarily frustrating in a way the others aren't, and I can't explain why.
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I'm sorry but. Sawayama Of everything in the Zachtronics collection Fortune's Foundation is the best one. Cluj and Shenzhen are next. Sigmar's Garden, Kabafuda, and Proletariat's Patience are about tied, and then I'd put Sawayama dead last. (I don't really play Cribbage because it's not the kind of gameplay I'm looking for so I won't rank it) I've been playing runs of each game in order and find Sawayama's gameplay to be extraordinarily frustrating in a way the others aren't, and I can't explain why.
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NameRealperson
Interesting, but framing it as Nobody understands playing cards, not even experts is weird when the whole video is just things we understand about cards:
- mathematical proof of things we understand about playing cards
- psychological research about things we understand about playing cards
- game designer applying things we understand about playing cards
- comprehensive history of things we understand about where and when playing cards originated amd how they developed and spread
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Interesting, but framing it as Nobody understands playing cards, not even experts is weird when the whole video is just things we understand about cards:
- mathematical proof of things we understand about playing cards
- psychological research about things we understand about playing cards
- game designer applying things we understand about playing cards
- comprehensive history of things we understand about where and when playing cards originated amd how they developed and spread
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ozgho09
i've been obsessed with playing cards, playing card games, collecting playing cards, and finding extremely niche use-cases for playing cards. Did you know that the standard USPC playing card is 3 1/2 inches lengthwise and 2 1/2 inches widthwise Handy for measuring without a ruler.
thank you for sharing some of the history of playing cards! i like to think of a lot of disparate playing card styles coming together over cultures and borders because of a shared love of gaming.
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i've been obsessed with playing cards, playing card games, collecting playing cards, and finding extremely niche use-cases for playing cards. Did you know that the standard USPC playing card is 3 1/2 inches lengthwise and 2 1/2 inches widthwise Handy for measuring without a ruler.
thank you for sharing some of the history of playing cards! i like to think of a lot of disparate playing card styles coming together over cultures and borders because of a shared love of gaming.
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alcy-
As a magician, this was a fascinating watch. I find myself in a lot of conversations about how playing cards are losing their relevance, that people don't understand them anymore, how they've lost their appeal. Having a perspective from someone saying the exact opposite gave me a lot to think about.
Also, if you haven't, you should check out the documentary Lost in the Shuffle, it's all about this history of cards and how we ended up with the designs we see today.
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As a magician, this was a fascinating watch. I find myself in a lot of conversations about how playing cards are losing their relevance, that people don't understand them anymore, how they've lost their appeal. Having a perspective from someone saying the exact opposite gave me a lot to think about.
Also, if you haven't, you should check out the documentary Lost in the Shuffle, it's all about this history of cards and how we ended up with the designs we see today.
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onwarmermusic
The Balatro hype last year led me to want to play it, but also caused me to realize that I didn't even know how to play Klondike Solitaire. So I grabbed the Zachtronics collection and also promptly became addicted to Sawayama Solitaire. I have to wonder how many new (Klondike etc) solitaire players were born this year because of Balatro's influence.
Awesome work on the video, loved hearing about the math and history aspects.
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The Balatro hype last year led me to want to play it, but also caused me to realize that I didn't even know how to play Klondike Solitaire. So I grabbed the Zachtronics collection and also promptly became addicted to Sawayama Solitaire. I have to wonder how many new (Klondike etc) solitaire players were born this year because of Balatro's influence.
Awesome work on the video, loved hearing about the math and history aspects.
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shellularity
i do wonder if the concept of the jolt is the same reason why fighting games can feel fresh thousands upon thousands of hours in even though you might be playing the same character that whole time. there's always another thing to learn, a niche tech or counterplay to a character, and still even once you've learned that you have to generate a mental map of your opponent's playstyle and gameplan on the fly to counter them.
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i do wonder if the concept of the jolt is the same reason why fighting games can feel fresh thousands upon thousands of hours in even though you might be playing the same character that whole time. there's always another thing to learn, a niche tech or counterplay to a character, and still even once you've learned that you have to generate a mental map of your opponent's playstyle and gameplan on the fly to counter them.
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matiaspereyra9392
Something similar happened to me when I was looking for something to play while in the bathroom, tried sudoku, that wirked for a while, minesweeper. Took too long and I hate picking up a game of minesweeper that's like half way there and then solitaire, you can always get at least a game in, then i went with solitaire, a few years later balatro came out. And then balatro came out for phone so.
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Something similar happened to me when I was looking for something to play while in the bathroom, tried sudoku, that wirked for a while, minesweeper. Took too long and I hate picking up a game of minesweeper that's like half way there and then solitaire, you can always get at least a game in, then i went with solitaire, a few years later balatro came out. And then balatro came out for phone so.
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normalperson4sure
As someone who has been playing Zach Gage's Flipflop Solitaire since last Christmas when I downloaded it for something to do on my flight, I laughed at Simone's number. Try 4854, and that's just with my fave, the Two Suit variant (don't ask me about one suit, which is so easy it shouldn't even exist, because I am genuinely ashamed of how many games I've played of it)
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As someone who has been playing Zach Gage's Flipflop Solitaire since last Christmas when I downloaded it for something to do on my flight, I laughed at Simone's number. Try 4854, and that's just with my fave, the Two Suit variant (don't ask me about one suit, which is so easy it shouldn't even exist, because I am genuinely ashamed of how many games I've played of it)
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LeoFieTv
It's a shame we only ever use the french deck of clubs, spades, hearts and diamonds. I mean, the minor tarot is right there with coins, staffs, swords and cups. The German deck has hearts, leaves, acorns and bells. Also FYI magician cards for flipping tricks and such might come without notation at all. Don't buy from magic stores unless you are ready to be bamboozled.
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It's a shame we only ever use the french deck of clubs, spades, hearts and diamonds. I mean, the minor tarot is right there with coins, staffs, swords and cups. The German deck has hearts, leaves, acorns and bells. Also FYI magician cards for flipping tricks and such might come without notation at all. Don't buy from magic stores unless you are ready to be bamboozled.
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nemtudom5074
1: 10 Huh. Interesting.
I too became addicted to solitaire in the last year, around like november of 2023 or so, its Pirate Solitaire from the F-Droid app store, and i have 2929 wins so far.
It has gotten to the point that its effectively the 'im going to the bathroom, this is a great way to kill five minutes' game.
Its nuts how much its instinct now.
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1: 10 Huh. Interesting.
I too became addicted to solitaire in the last year, around like november of 2023 or so, its Pirate Solitaire from the F-Droid app store, and i have 2929 wins so far.
It has gotten to the point that its effectively the 'im going to the bathroom, this is a great way to kill five minutes' game.
Its nuts how much its instinct now.
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Shadowpaw67
I'm a game developer, and I realized that my interest in computer games stems back to, naturally, watching my grandpa playing Spider Solitaire on his desktop PC. I'd watch him play over his shoulder, and eventually he sat me down and let me have a good at it. I was hooked, and now here I am years later, making games and still playing with cards.
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I'm a game developer, and I realized that my interest in computer games stems back to, naturally, watching my grandpa playing Spider Solitaire on his desktop PC. I'd watch him play over his shoulder, and eventually he sat me down and let me have a good at it. I was hooked, and now here I am years later, making games and still playing with cards.
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Michael-mk5tg
The oldest thing I own is a deck of cards I got from a friend in middle school almost 20 years ago. I took it with me when I was deployed in the military, I've moved states three times, and I had to throw out most of my things to fit in a small car at one point, but I'll probably hold on to that deck of cards for the rest of my life.
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The oldest thing I own is a deck of cards I got from a friend in middle school almost 20 years ago. I took it with me when I was deployed in the military, I've moved states three times, and I had to throw out most of my things to fit in a small car at one point, but I'll probably hold on to that deck of cards for the rest of my life.
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fen4554
Seems like we're primed for a Tarot based game. It gets a metric butt-ton of references in video games and stories, but I think it could be cool if you pull Tarot cards which in turn have an influence on your per-turn gameplay. Pull the Tower Miss a turn. Pull the 10 of cups Emotional satisfaction 1. This stuff writes itself.
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Seems like we're primed for a Tarot based game. It gets a metric butt-ton of references in video games and stories, but I think it could be cool if you pull Tarot cards which in turn have an influence on your per-turn gameplay. Pull the Tower Miss a turn. Pull the 10 of cups Emotional satisfaction 1. This stuff writes itself.
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wasabirice
I played do much Solitaire when I was at my first post-college job. I was getting the work done faster than they seemed to expect and I didn't want to get more work handed to me, so Spider Solitaire became my pastime. I can't imagine how much better it would have been to play these newfangled Solitaire variants.
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I played do much Solitaire when I was at my first post-college job. I was getting the work done faster than they seemed to expect and I didn't want to get more work handed to me, so Spider Solitaire became my pastime. I can't imagine how much better it would have been to play these newfangled Solitaire variants.
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