Pros and Cons of Studying Multiple Disciplines - Draftsmen S1E07 - Proko
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Date: 2022-03-14
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Marcus
I am a university student studying computing science. I'm getting close to finishing my degree, but many years of learning computing science theory has tired me out a bit. I like to build things with technology and code, but the math and theory of computing science is difficult. I really like drawing, but anxious thoughts about not being good at it kept me from pursuing it earlier. But recently I reached a breaking point where I realized that I absolutely must have drawing in my life. So now I wake up early to draw and then code during the day. Both drawing and coding are very demanding skills, so it's difficult to do both. But I've found that taking drawing seriously has been very rewarding for me so far because I'm finally giving attention to the large artistic portion of my identity. For many years I was neglecting the pencil. I thought STEM and art could not coexist. I was afraid that drawing wouldn't be worthwhile because I wasn't committed to it 110% since high school. But it's so, so much better to not be torn between these two parts of me anymore. It's a kind of existential hell that maybe other people can relate to. I am a computer scientist. And I am an artist.
Thanks for the show, guys. Every new episode gives me courage to forge ahead. Much love from Hugh. (No, my real name is not Marcus Aurelius)
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I am a university student studying computing science. I'm getting close to finishing my degree, but many years of learning computing science theory has tired me out a bit. I like to build things with technology and code, but the math and theory of computing science is difficult. I really like drawing, but anxious thoughts about not being good at it kept me from pursuing it earlier. But recently I reached a breaking point where I realized that I absolutely must have drawing in my life. So now I wake up early to draw and then code during the day. Both drawing and coding are very demanding skills, so it's difficult to do both. But I've found that taking drawing seriously has been very rewarding for me so far because I'm finally giving attention to the large artistic portion of my identity. For many years I was neglecting the pencil. I thought STEM and art could not coexist. I was afraid that drawing wouldn't be worthwhile because I wasn't committed to it 110% since high school. But it's so, so much better to not be torn between these two parts of me anymore. It's a kind of existential hell that maybe other people can relate to. I am a computer scientist. And I am an artist.
Thanks for the show, guys. Every new episode gives me courage to forge ahead. Much love from Hugh. (No, my real name is not Marcus Aurelius)
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Punkin
I am a multi-disciplinarian, and not just in art. I have, over my life time, been: a soldier (twice, a diesel engineer on a boat, newspaper photographer, a website designer, a computer technician ( building personal computers, a help-desk person, a security guard, a bartender, a telecommunications technician, a telecommunications cable installer, a fiber-optic cable install tech, a telecommunications equipment installer, and now an Sr. Engineer which includes Linux servers, windows servers, router/switches, and equipment installation. My hobbies have included: drawing, electronic circuit builder, RC car builder/racer, quad-copter pilot, guitar playing, 3d Printer builder/user, 3d designer for the 3d printer, rifle/pistol builder from parts, python programming, bash scripting, and trying but failing to understand philosophy, religions, the human condition, and women. Right now I am a Sr. Engineer at a communications company and I love my job. I believe that everything that I have learned throughout my life helps me to have a unique perspective on my job. I guess my point is, all of the stuff I have learned doesn't hurt me, but it also doesn't make me really good at any one thing. My brain doesn't allow me to study only one thing, I am constantly finding new things that I want to know so I jump around a lot.
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I am a multi-disciplinarian, and not just in art. I have, over my life time, been: a soldier (twice, a diesel engineer on a boat, newspaper photographer, a website designer, a computer technician ( building personal computers, a help-desk person, a security guard, a bartender, a telecommunications technician, a telecommunications cable installer, a fiber-optic cable install tech, a telecommunications equipment installer, and now an Sr. Engineer which includes Linux servers, windows servers, router/switches, and equipment installation. My hobbies have included: drawing, electronic circuit builder, RC car builder/racer, quad-copter pilot, guitar playing, 3d Printer builder/user, 3d designer for the 3d printer, rifle/pistol builder from parts, python programming, bash scripting, and trying but failing to understand philosophy, religions, the human condition, and women. Right now I am a Sr. Engineer at a communications company and I love my job. I believe that everything that I have learned throughout my life helps me to have a unique perspective on my job. I guess my point is, all of the stuff I have learned doesn't hurt me, but it also doesn't make me really good at any one thing. My brain doesn't allow me to study only one thing, I am constantly finding new things that I want to know so I jump around a lot.
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Colin
This episode is 6 months old and maybe you won't even see this now, but I wanted to comment about the standing desk.
I would suggest finding a balance between standing and sitting. I setup a standing desk at work, as a graphic designer, I used it for probably two years and because of the lack of elbow support from a chair, I absolutely wrecked my arms and shoulders. I have spent the past two years recovering.
It started out with wrist pain, which I thought was CPS but it according to a doctors test it wasn't. At times during and after a workday my wrists were so bad they felt like they were on fire. Eventually I tried massage therapy which was a success. My forearms, biceps, shoulders were all constantly fatigued from stuck fibers, and working out those kinks has made a huge difference.
I've since gone back to a regular sitting desk, using proper ergonomic setup, with taking properly timed breaks each hour to get up, stretch, grab water, etc to get moving somewhat during the day because I do not want to go through that again.
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This episode is 6 months old and maybe you won't even see this now, but I wanted to comment about the standing desk.
I would suggest finding a balance between standing and sitting. I setup a standing desk at work, as a graphic designer, I used it for probably two years and because of the lack of elbow support from a chair, I absolutely wrecked my arms and shoulders. I have spent the past two years recovering.
It started out with wrist pain, which I thought was CPS but it according to a doctors test it wasn't. At times during and after a workday my wrists were so bad they felt like they were on fire. Eventually I tried massage therapy which was a success. My forearms, biceps, shoulders were all constantly fatigued from stuck fibers, and working out those kinks has made a huge difference.
I've since gone back to a regular sitting desk, using proper ergonomic setup, with taking properly timed breaks each hour to get up, stretch, grab water, etc to get moving somewhat during the day because I do not want to go through that again.
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Toy
Kevin the Toy Smuggler here. I've been blasted my hole life about how I need to choose only one art medium. I sketch, oil paint, 21 years as a pro wrestler, 9 comic books, actor, toy sculptor, writer, and film director. But I stuck to my guns for the past 16 years, and I found that all these medium as diverse as they are complement 1 or more of the others which has enabled me to see and understand the bigger picture or world of art. It help me from burn out, by giving me options to do another medium when I'm stuck or hung up on one. It also has help me get entertainment jobs because I was skilled in multiple mediums, - one stop shopping- for the client. But it took several years to understand how to balance it all, but a few years ago it was if a light bulb came on in my head and I could see the relationship of all these mediums as clear as day. I end this with this, - One who challenges oneself to the brink of failure, will one day rise up and meet success face to face. - #ToySmuggler
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Kevin the Toy Smuggler here. I've been blasted my hole life about how I need to choose only one art medium. I sketch, oil paint, 21 years as a pro wrestler, 9 comic books, actor, toy sculptor, writer, and film director. But I stuck to my guns for the past 16 years, and I found that all these medium as diverse as they are complement 1 or more of the others which has enabled me to see and understand the bigger picture or world of art. It help me from burn out, by giving me options to do another medium when I'm stuck or hung up on one. It also has help me get entertainment jobs because I was skilled in multiple mediums, - one stop shopping- for the client. But it took several years to understand how to balance it all, but a few years ago it was if a light bulb came on in my head and I could see the relationship of all these mediums as clear as day. I end this with this, - One who challenges oneself to the brink of failure, will one day rise up and meet success face to face. - #ToySmuggler
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Zarius
Having multiple disciplines lead me to my true passion. I orginally thought I loved a particular medium but in reality I just love word building in general. I love visual storytelling so I sculpt, draw, do photography and filmmaking. The cool part is the visual language is mostly the same so there is plenty of overlap and when I study any visual art I can apply that inspiration in multiple ways. I too did learned these skills over time during my adolecence. I'm self taught in french as well and am also an entrepreneur. I believe in the cross trainning definitely especially between 2d and 3d. I believe highly in our ability to adapt I say do whatever you want. If you believe in the 10k hr rule if you live til 80 technically you can master like 10 things. I knew I wanted to be a visual story teller as a kid because I spent all my time either drawing making characters or using hot wheels and action figures to make up stories.
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Having multiple disciplines lead me to my true passion. I orginally thought I loved a particular medium but in reality I just love word building in general. I love visual storytelling so I sculpt, draw, do photography and filmmaking. The cool part is the visual language is mostly the same so there is plenty of overlap and when I study any visual art I can apply that inspiration in multiple ways. I too did learned these skills over time during my adolecence. I'm self taught in french as well and am also an entrepreneur. I believe in the cross trainning definitely especially between 2d and 3d. I believe highly in our ability to adapt I say do whatever you want. If you believe in the 10k hr rule if you live til 80 technically you can master like 10 things. I knew I wanted to be a visual story teller as a kid because I spent all my time either drawing making characters or using hot wheels and action figures to make up stories.
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Daniel
To the multiple disciplines question: I've been digitally sculpting and pencil/pen drawing more intentionally and interchangeably in the past year (instead of pouring all my energy into one or the other) and I've found they strengthen each other noticeably. The sculpting makes me more aware of space and structure, visualizing the depth of an object in a more tactile way (even though it's virtual) and I bring this awareness into drawing. The drawing helps me iterate ideas faster and create new shapes and motifs I want to translate into sculpting, which I notice makes me feel more excited to sit down in front of the screen again- the screen burnout is very real as Marshall has mentioned! I love having the play dynamic between the two very different mediums. Thanks for these chats, they are really nice for keeping my brain stimulated while I'm working on more tedious projects especially while working alone for hours on end!
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To the multiple disciplines question: I've been digitally sculpting and pencil/pen drawing more intentionally and interchangeably in the past year (instead of pouring all my energy into one or the other) and I've found they strengthen each other noticeably. The sculpting makes me more aware of space and structure, visualizing the depth of an object in a more tactile way (even though it's virtual) and I bring this awareness into drawing. The drawing helps me iterate ideas faster and create new shapes and motifs I want to translate into sculpting, which I notice makes me feel more excited to sit down in front of the screen again- the screen burnout is very real as Marshall has mentioned! I love having the play dynamic between the two very different mediums. Thanks for these chats, they are really nice for keeping my brain stimulated while I'm working on more tedious projects especially while working alone for hours on end!
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andersdenkend
After school I didn't really know what to do with my life and since nobody near me pushed me in a specific direction, I learned accounting for 4 years. After that I found a job in a small ad agency for smaller businesses. There I was doing vector based illustrations and layouts until opening my own small agency doing basically the same for 10 years. Then I met my wife, married, moved to China and took up teaching languages. Privately I always dabbled in vector art, pixel art, most recently mapping for Doom as well as learning how to use Blender.
Apart from accounting most of the different disciplines I learned over the years I could combine in some way. Especially Blender or any 3D rendering program is highly recommended for anyone in arts, imho.
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After school I didn't really know what to do with my life and since nobody near me pushed me in a specific direction, I learned accounting for 4 years. After that I found a job in a small ad agency for smaller businesses. There I was doing vector based illustrations and layouts until opening my own small agency doing basically the same for 10 years. Then I met my wife, married, moved to China and took up teaching languages. Privately I always dabbled in vector art, pixel art, most recently mapping for Doom as well as learning how to use Blender.
Apart from accounting most of the different disciplines I learned over the years I could combine in some way. Especially Blender or any 3D rendering program is highly recommended for anyone in arts, imho.
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Ignacio
I studied Illustration and Musical Composition.
Visual arts helped me think of music in a very concrete and spatial manner.
And in return, music taught me to think of drawing and painting very abstractly.
Physical activtiy is also a must. I was also following a very sedentary routine and started experimenting pain in my back, shoulders and hips.
I started a workshop on argentinian folk dances. It helped me get back in motion and taught me a lot about movement and rythmic perception. Having understood and connected with that backbone of music, it also helped me grasp the importance of good visual fundamentals.
So if you have an open mind and are willing to put in the effort to make the connections, it is a never ending feedback loop.
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I studied Illustration and Musical Composition.
Visual arts helped me think of music in a very concrete and spatial manner.
And in return, music taught me to think of drawing and painting very abstractly.
Physical activtiy is also a must. I was also following a very sedentary routine and started experimenting pain in my back, shoulders and hips.
I started a workshop on argentinian folk dances. It helped me get back in motion and taught me a lot about movement and rythmic perception. Having understood and connected with that backbone of music, it also helped me grasp the importance of good visual fundamentals.
So if you have an open mind and are willing to put in the effort to make the connections, it is a never ending feedback loop.
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Arnaud
I started to think about art as a professional at 28-29 Yo. Digital painting and drawing got me. But I hadn't the money to go in an art school and I didn't have a visual artistic background neither. So I took a 16 months 3D animation program (no need to know how to draw. And now. . I'm learning how to draw, by myself. I spent the half of the last lockdown trying to work on a short movie, blending writing, 3D and 2D animation. And I discovered pixel art and grafitti -All those amazing things are overwhelming. Staying focused is difficult sometimes when your path isn't clear. But someone said to me -procrastinate from art with art isn't really bad-. It's helping in some way to accept this unfocused state of mind.
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I started to think about art as a professional at 28-29 Yo. Digital painting and drawing got me. But I hadn't the money to go in an art school and I didn't have a visual artistic background neither. So I took a 16 months 3D animation program (no need to know how to draw. And now. . I'm learning how to draw, by myself. I spent the half of the last lockdown trying to work on a short movie, blending writing, 3D and 2D animation. And I discovered pixel art and grafitti -All those amazing things are overwhelming. Staying focused is difficult sometimes when your path isn't clear. But someone said to me -procrastinate from art with art isn't really bad-. It's helping in some way to accept this unfocused state of mind.
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Blue
Great conversation. I can relate to the multiple discipline route through life and am around the same age as Marshal. While growing up I was in love with animals and ultimately became a self employed farmer by the age of 19. I also worked in a sawmill, doing logging where I fell in love with the forest and natural world. And I-m a woman. Ultimately I sold my business and then took on a career working for Fish and Wildlife. Now I-m retired and and learning drawing and painting in order to express my love for animals and the natural world around me. and am also involved in photography. Life can be a wonderful process. It-s as simple as focusing on what you love.
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Great conversation. I can relate to the multiple discipline route through life and am around the same age as Marshal. While growing up I was in love with animals and ultimately became a self employed farmer by the age of 19. I also worked in a sawmill, doing logging where I fell in love with the forest and natural world. And I-m a woman. Ultimately I sold my business and then took on a career working for Fish and Wildlife. Now I-m retired and and learning drawing and painting in order to express my love for animals and the natural world around me. and am also involved in photography. Life can be a wonderful process. It-s as simple as focusing on what you love.
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