Investigating Intel's CPU Socket Problems Thermal Grizzly Contact Frame Benchmark
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Date: 2022-06-26
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Vitor
As a Engineer I can say that one of the causes of the difference in pressure between the CPU and the socket is caused by the U point of the leaver where it makes contact with the lip of flap that pushes the CPU down.
By using the leaver as a spring and only having that spring on one side, as soon as that U shape of the leaver makes contact with the lip of the CPU flap all the torque will mostly be applied on the side of the spring. In that case the right side.
A solution to that problem is tightening the that shape of that U making it less horizontally wide (orientation reference 5:29) or turning it into a I where it have only a single contact point on the center of the lip of the CPU flap. You could make a V cut on the lip of the CPU flap to help alien the new I shape on the leaver to the lip of the CPU flap. Turning it into a I could make it harder to manufacture.
Another solution would be to have a leaver being used as a spring on both sides. In short 2 leaver, one on each side of the socket. This can be accomplished very easily and cheaply by extending the original leaver to the other side. In short you literally mirror the right side of the socket (orientation reference 5:29). They would add a 10cm of spring wire as overall material for manufacturing the socket. And since there is 2 springs they have to reduce the spring tension or there will be too much torque on the socket.
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As a Engineer I can say that one of the causes of the difference in pressure between the CPU and the socket is caused by the U point of the leaver where it makes contact with the lip of flap that pushes the CPU down.
By using the leaver as a spring and only having that spring on one side, as soon as that U shape of the leaver makes contact with the lip of the CPU flap all the torque will mostly be applied on the side of the spring. In that case the right side.
A solution to that problem is tightening the that shape of that U making it less horizontally wide (orientation reference 5:29) or turning it into a I where it have only a single contact point on the center of the lip of the CPU flap. You could make a V cut on the lip of the CPU flap to help alien the new I shape on the leaver to the lip of the CPU flap. Turning it into a I could make it harder to manufacture.
Another solution would be to have a leaver being used as a spring on both sides. In short 2 leaver, one on each side of the socket. This can be accomplished very easily and cheaply by extending the original leaver to the other side. In short you literally mirror the right side of the socket (orientation reference 5:29). They would add a 10cm of spring wire as overall material for manufacturing the socket. And since there is 2 springs they have to reduce the spring tension or there will be too much torque on the socket.
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Todd
It would have been nice to see a chemical pressure test on that older Intel board and that Thread Ripper board to see how they really do compare. Intel though screwed up because just using even 20% thinker metal on the back plate and lockdown plate would have likely prevented this warping issue and only cost pennies. Similarly they could spend a few dollars on their retail heatsink and lower the temps and noise and possibly get more performance out of their CPUs.
I am not happy with how much power these CPUs draw and the heat they produce. AMD is doing far better on this front and when I do not run AC in the summer I can not have a CPU drawing 250w. I usually look for AMD's 65w range and get the fastest in that. Their 5700x is a nice CPU for under 300 and only draws 65w. The slowest i& 12th gen is 65w... but boosts to 180w. So I better not aver turn on boost. The Intel i5-12600 is a bit more reasonable at 65w base and 117w boost. Even the Intel Core i3-12100F has a base of 58w and a boost of 89w.and a 6700x would likely beat most I7 CPUs. I can use cheaper memory, cheaper motherboards, cheaper case cooling, cheaper heatsinks, and cheaper PSU. In the end a Ryzen 5700x system would likely be about the same price as the Intel Core i3-12100F system that it would curb stomp all day long... and still draw less power.
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It would have been nice to see a chemical pressure test on that older Intel board and that Thread Ripper board to see how they really do compare. Intel though screwed up because just using even 20% thinker metal on the back plate and lockdown plate would have likely prevented this warping issue and only cost pennies. Similarly they could spend a few dollars on their retail heatsink and lower the temps and noise and possibly get more performance out of their CPUs.
I am not happy with how much power these CPUs draw and the heat they produce. AMD is doing far better on this front and when I do not run AC in the summer I can not have a CPU drawing 250w. I usually look for AMD's 65w range and get the fastest in that. Their 5700x is a nice CPU for under 300 and only draws 65w. The slowest i& 12th gen is 65w... but boosts to 180w. So I better not aver turn on boost. The Intel i5-12600 is a bit more reasonable at 65w base and 117w boost. Even the Intel Core i3-12100F has a base of 58w and a boost of 89w.and a 6700x would likely beat most I7 CPUs. I can use cheaper memory, cheaper motherboards, cheaper case cooling, cheaper heatsinks, and cheaper PSU. In the end a Ryzen 5700x system would likely be about the same price as the Intel Core i3-12100F system that it would curb stomp all day long... and still draw less power.
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Lam
Why don't you simply shim the original mechanism? It has 4 points of pressure, try something thin (like a piece of paper for starters) on the lever contact point on the VRM side, to slightly skew it that way. Same on the hinge side if it warps too bad.
Also there was no mention of cooler compatibility and Buildzoid's RAM compatibility fix, aka. the Washer Mod. The ILM is not the only thing pushing on the CPU and providing pin pressure and we've seen back in October/November that coolers make a big difference, to the point of breaking RAM pin contact in a specific case (I guess that was fixed in an updated mounting bracket for that specific AIO, but still proves that all these parts need to work together).
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Why don't you simply shim the original mechanism? It has 4 points of pressure, try something thin (like a piece of paper for starters) on the lever contact point on the VRM side, to slightly skew it that way. Same on the hinge side if it warps too bad.
Also there was no mention of cooler compatibility and Buildzoid's RAM compatibility fix, aka. the Washer Mod. The ILM is not the only thing pushing on the CPU and providing pin pressure and we've seen back in October/November that coolers make a big difference, to the point of breaking RAM pin contact in a specific case (I guess that was fixed in an updated mounting bracket for that specific AIO, but still proves that all these parts need to work together).
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SoupHere
Great work and good video as always. Looking forward to see how you guys balance keeping the video sounding natural with going with a script sometimes for the technical details on videos. I know that Steve is coming from the heart on the topic, it just sounds a little unnatural sometimes when he's going off a word-for-word script on these special type presentation kind of videos instead of off the cuff like he does during a lot of the conclusions of videos where it's just notes on a piece of paper. Maybe it's a tonal shift that's what is noticeable? Either way the information in the video is great, keep up the awesome work.
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Great work and good video as always. Looking forward to see how you guys balance keeping the video sounding natural with going with a script sometimes for the technical details on videos. I know that Steve is coming from the heart on the topic, it just sounds a little unnatural sometimes when he's going off a word-for-word script on these special type presentation kind of videos instead of off the cuff like he does during a lot of the conclusions of videos where it's just notes on a piece of paper. Maybe it's a tonal shift that's what is noticeable? Either way the information in the video is great, keep up the awesome work.
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Devnol
I'm really curious to know how a multi-billion dollar company failed to see something that, even to an untrained but technically inclined person appears so obvious, at least once you point it out. Then again you come to remember that lga sockets are already really expensive so cost-cutting the ILM was probably a better option for a performance difference that a normie would just not notice. Then again they would've designed another x99-like dual-lever ILM for higher end boards but noooo why would they spend any money on that, just let the little guy do it amirite?
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I'm really curious to know how a multi-billion dollar company failed to see something that, even to an untrained but technically inclined person appears so obvious, at least once you point it out. Then again you come to remember that lga sockets are already really expensive so cost-cutting the ILM was probably a better option for a performance difference that a normie would just not notice. Then again they would've designed another x99-like dual-lever ILM for higher end boards but noooo why would they spend any money on that, just let the little guy do it amirite?
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Levi
My 12600k 4.8ghz all P core, 5.2 single core with a Bequiet Shadow Rock runs around 40 degrees most of the time but when streaming current games like Elden Ring to Discord I've seen spikes of 79 degrees. This was my first PC build and since the cooler was so big and the msi 3060 gaming x pro I have is so massive, I'm worried during installation I may have exacerbated this bending issue. Videos like this are super valuable to novice pc builders like myself and I'll definitely be looking into getting this upgrade
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My 12600k 4.8ghz all P core, 5.2 single core with a Bequiet Shadow Rock runs around 40 degrees most of the time but when streaming current games like Elden Ring to Discord I've seen spikes of 79 degrees. This was my first PC build and since the cooler was so big and the msi 3060 gaming x pro I have is so massive, I'm worried during installation I may have exacerbated this bending issue. Videos like this are super valuable to novice pc builders like myself and I'll definitely be looking into getting this upgrade
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Kevin
Very interesting findings! I was planning on building a system with intel 12th gen but after some more thought I'd rather buy into the more mature Ryzen AM4 platform with a plan to upgrade to an AM5 system when its towards the end of its life cycle. Considering that the 5600x is selling for about 200 and the 5800x is 300, the price is compelling enough to still buy into AM4 now and wait till all of the inevitable issues with AM5 are resolved in the future.
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Very interesting findings! I was planning on building a system with intel 12th gen but after some more thought I'd rather buy into the more mature Ryzen AM4 platform with a plan to upgrade to an AM5 system when its towards the end of its life cycle. Considering that the 5600x is selling for about 200 and the 5800x is 300, the price is compelling enough to still buy into AM4 now and wait till all of the inevitable issues with AM5 are resolved in the future.
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Brianna
LOVING this type of content. This and the last GPU power video really hit it out of the park for me. This is the sort of thing that gets forgotten in the mundane building of computers, but it's the kind of details that we need to be paying attention to and that are actually important that could make or break a build. They become even more important if we are building machines for others, so that we can reduce the friends and family tech support tax LOL.
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LOVING this type of content. This and the last GPU power video really hit it out of the park for me. This is the sort of thing that gets forgotten in the mundane building of computers, but it's the kind of details that we need to be paying attention to and that are actually important that could make or break a build. They become even more important if we are building machines for others, so that we can reduce the friends and family tech support tax LOL.
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karjalanpie
in theory: could this shorten a cpus lify cycle? My i9 9900k recently just died, pc kept switching off without even running post test. I used Noctua NH-D15 cooler. That cpu barely worked for 2 years What happened is that I change the pc case without removing the cpu so I dont even understand why would it die like that? worked perfectly on the same day before I started the case swap.
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in theory: could this shorten a cpus lify cycle? My i9 9900k recently just died, pc kept switching off without even running post test. I used Noctua NH-D15 cooler. That cpu barely worked for 2 years What happened is that I change the pc case without removing the cpu so I dont even understand why would it die like that? worked perfectly on the same day before I started the case swap.
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