6600 Nightmare Prebuilt Gaming PC - Corsair & Origin Genesis Review
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Date: 2023-02-24
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Paul
Doing alerting automation and datacenter automation, we learned that the primary ways of doing proper monitoring are to have accurate target numbers and a range of alert values and levels. The correct way to automate these things is to have your top techs learn the programs that generate your measurement values. The techs also need to understand the expected values. Best case is that they also maintain the scripts and feedback systems in the programming speaking devops here.
From this point, they can disseminate to their team what the values mean and how they are generated and compared. Something useful is to scrape reference data from sites that publish scores and use those as comparison values, or review the sites and then create your own database of acceptable values for comparison.
With those elements in place, it s very easy to run a test and compare the scores. You can even store the scores and correlate them to attributes of the systems, such as why do all Asrock motherboards seem to run slower? . Investigating those results can lead to identifying systemic improvements due to some element that is lacking. In fact, it s always the investigations into the lowest performers (by standard deviation) that reveal the most interesting flaws and improvements.
The last part is human validation. It s the most important. Once all the tests are run, the final report has to be shown to an experienced person who signs their name to it. This is critical for understanding where deficits or people who excel are. A final critical eye for QA is necessary, as someone with deep hardware knowledge may see a potential problem before it ships.
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Doing alerting automation and datacenter automation, we learned that the primary ways of doing proper monitoring are to have accurate target numbers and a range of alert values and levels. The correct way to automate these things is to have your top techs learn the programs that generate your measurement values. The techs also need to understand the expected values. Best case is that they also maintain the scripts and feedback systems in the programming speaking devops here.
From this point, they can disseminate to their team what the values mean and how they are generated and compared. Something useful is to scrape reference data from sites that publish scores and use those as comparison values, or review the sites and then create your own database of acceptable values for comparison.
With those elements in place, it s very easy to run a test and compare the scores. You can even store the scores and correlate them to attributes of the systems, such as why do all Asrock motherboards seem to run slower? . Investigating those results can lead to identifying systemic improvements due to some element that is lacking. In fact, it s always the investigations into the lowest performers (by standard deviation) that reveal the most interesting flaws and improvements.
The last part is human validation. It s the most important. Once all the tests are run, the final report has to be shown to an experienced person who signs their name to it. This is critical for understanding where deficits or people who excel are. A final critical eye for QA is necessary, as someone with deep hardware knowledge may see a potential problem before it ships.
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Haarb
The sad part is - nothing gonna change. For some of us prebuilds are not even something we consider, so you point at something and we just lol about it, some of us perhaps use stores to build PC but they select parts themselves and basically know what they doing, just dont want to bother with building part. These two groups most likely make 90-95% of audience, basically for us prebuilds are a big joke already. So at best 10% of the people will see this vid and perhaps consider some other options when it comes to buying PC... not enough. This means corporation will continue to do what they are doing right now... sell pre build of arguable quality for 2x price of what is inside. Why bother to do it better if people buy them as they are now?
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The sad part is - nothing gonna change. For some of us prebuilds are not even something we consider, so you point at something and we just lol about it, some of us perhaps use stores to build PC but they select parts themselves and basically know what they doing, just dont want to bother with building part. These two groups most likely make 90-95% of audience, basically for us prebuilds are a big joke already. So at best 10% of the people will see this vid and perhaps consider some other options when it comes to buying PC... not enough. This means corporation will continue to do what they are doing right now... sell pre build of arguable quality for 2x price of what is inside. Why bother to do it better if people buy them as they are now?
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kurauk
Love these videos they are absolutely essential for consumers. If we consumers report these problems they won't do anything about it. But when publically being able to shame them they have to have a response. I would note that people having to do this and tell them how to be better should be rewarded as clearly they weren't able to run the company in a good enough manner. However I agree with Steve, they seemed reluctant to actually just take ownership of the issues and essentially blamed the bios, paint etc. Thanks to everyone at GN for shedding light on these companies. They absolutely need to do better, especially with the extra margin they've thrown on.
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Love these videos they are absolutely essential for consumers. If we consumers report these problems they won't do anything about it. But when publically being able to shame them they have to have a response. I would note that people having to do this and tell them how to be better should be rewarded as clearly they weren't able to run the company in a good enough manner. However I agree with Steve, they seemed reluctant to actually just take ownership of the issues and essentially blamed the bios, paint etc. Thanks to everyone at GN for shedding light on these companies. They absolutely need to do better, especially with the extra margin they've thrown on.
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hernan
That price is insane. I was able build a similar computer back in August 2022 for under 1800. I bought the 5800x3d and the 3080 12gb master, new on offer up.
5800x3d
X570s gigabyte master
Noctua nh u12 chromax
Fractal torrent compact
Three extra fractal case fans
16gb G skill trident z Neo
Corsair 1000rmx
Wd black 2tb 850
Crucial 2tb 2.5 ssd
I understand that building a computer is intimidating but no one should over pay more than two to three hundred bucks for a pre built. The only solution I can think of is if you live near a Micro Center have them build it.
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That price is insane. I was able build a similar computer back in August 2022 for under 1800. I bought the 5800x3d and the 3080 12gb master, new on offer up.
5800x3d
X570s gigabyte master
Noctua nh u12 chromax
Fractal torrent compact
Three extra fractal case fans
16gb G skill trident z Neo
Corsair 1000rmx
Wd black 2tb 850
Crucial 2tb 2.5 ssd
I understand that building a computer is intimidating but no one should over pay more than two to three hundred bucks for a pre built. The only solution I can think of is if you live near a Micro Center have them build it.
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BerserkFury89
Going beyond the ridiculous fan curve that they used, how can they sell a 6000+ PC with a custom water loop, and then base the fan speed off the CPU. Were they really too cheap to throw in a temp sensor in the loop to track what temperature the coolant is at? Their own damn controller has a port to plug in a temp sensor. Going beyond that this is a full loop that also includes a GPU, but sure lets completely ignore what heat is coming from there. A fluid temperature dependent fan curve should have been an absolute must for a custom water loop like this.
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Going beyond the ridiculous fan curve that they used, how can they sell a 6000+ PC with a custom water loop, and then base the fan speed off the CPU. Were they really too cheap to throw in a temp sensor in the loop to track what temperature the coolant is at? Their own damn controller has a port to plug in a temp sensor. Going beyond that this is a full loop that also includes a GPU, but sure lets completely ignore what heat is coming from there. A fluid temperature dependent fan curve should have been an absolute must for a custom water loop like this.
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Wolfie
if you're dumb enough to pay 350 for a paint job on a PC, you probably deserve to be ripped off, if they didn't take your cash someone surely would of, it's also funny how the PC reviewer manages to get the janky built machines, which means the jank is not that rare, yet customer support always yap on about their high standards, they are obviously not very high, if you have to state they are high every few sentences, if they were high standards the PC in question would be worth the eye watering 6k it cost, which a pre-built would never be by default
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if you're dumb enough to pay 350 for a paint job on a PC, you probably deserve to be ripped off, if they didn't take your cash someone surely would of, it's also funny how the PC reviewer manages to get the janky built machines, which means the jank is not that rare, yet customer support always yap on about their high standards, they are obviously not very high, if you have to state they are high every few sentences, if they were high standards the PC in question would be worth the eye watering 6k it cost, which a pre-built would never be by default
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Paul
I have been in business most of my life and as a machinist who does high tolerance work failure is not an option. (I am also a tiny bit of a perfectionist) That being said I hope you are not offended as I can't take the product they sent you for 6,000 seriously. You being so salty about paying a kings ransom for trash build/assembly quality had me laughing the entire time. It is horrible what they sent you but you trashing their QC/Customer Service while doing your best to remain professional was must see TV . Thank you good sirs.
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I have been in business most of my life and as a machinist who does high tolerance work failure is not an option. (I am also a tiny bit of a perfectionist) That being said I hope you are not offended as I can't take the product they sent you for 6,000 seriously. You being so salty about paying a kings ransom for trash build/assembly quality had me laughing the entire time. It is horrible what they sent you but you trashing their QC/Customer Service while doing your best to remain professional was must see TV . Thank you good sirs.
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Haarb
my first fan curves were close to this... many many years ago. My logic was simple... when PC is idle I dont really care about its temp, it wont get hot anyway, when I lauch game I dont care about noise. But even I did low. speed till around 50 or 60, I just looked at what temps are considered max and divided it by 2, cant remember exact numbers now, and as soon as it hits this more or less hot state fans just 100% and as I said - I dont care about the noise when Im playing something cause game sounds are much louder anyway.
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my first fan curves were close to this... many many years ago. My logic was simple... when PC is idle I dont really care about its temp, it wont get hot anyway, when I lauch game I dont care about noise. But even I did low. speed till around 50 or 60, I just looked at what temps are considered max and divided it by 2, cant remember exact numbers now, and as soon as it hits this more or less hot state fans just 100% and as I said - I dont care about the noise when Im playing something cause game sounds are much louder anyway.
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Mason
I couldn't imagine spending that much for those specs. I upgraded to a new PC last year as well at the end of November and got a 4090 with I9-13900 and 32GB of DDR5 for less than 4k. Is most of that cost because of the origin markup and water cooling? My fans and liquid cooling keep my 4090 running pretty quite and cool no matter what im doing. Crazy unfortunate timing on when it was bought but also seems like a crazy amount of extra cost ( 450 freight shipping????) that should have never been included
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I couldn't imagine spending that much for those specs. I upgraded to a new PC last year as well at the end of November and got a 4090 with I9-13900 and 32GB of DDR5 for less than 4k. Is most of that cost because of the origin markup and water cooling? My fans and liquid cooling keep my 4090 running pretty quite and cool no matter what im doing. Crazy unfortunate timing on when it was bought but also seems like a crazy amount of extra cost ( 450 freight shipping????) that should have never been included
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Amonicus
I have quite good experience with icue, when it comes to 13:55 where you talk about the temperature, what happens normally is that the sensor used by icue for the temp is supposed to be water temperature, the temps in the graph and the curves make much more sense that way. Unfortunately the way it was setup on the system at that time was indeed based on cpu temperature instead, so it's a question of did they manually change it to cpu or not, because it should always default to water temperature
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I have quite good experience with icue, when it comes to 13:55 where you talk about the temperature, what happens normally is that the sensor used by icue for the temp is supposed to be water temperature, the temps in the graph and the curves make much more sense that way. Unfortunately the way it was setup on the system at that time was indeed based on cpu temperature instead, so it's a question of did they manually change it to cpu or not, because it should always default to water temperature
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Mike
If someone buys a car, they certainly don't expect to have to take it to the service department before they get it home. That's for ANY car at ANY price point. If I'm paying 6,000+ USD for a gaming computer from what should be a reputable company, I would be expecting it to be 100% right when I unboxed it, connnected my peripherals, and turned it on. That's part of why I'm willing to pay the premium. For Corsiar to just answer with, Well, we have 24/7 support available , is ludicrous.
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If someone buys a car, they certainly don't expect to have to take it to the service department before they get it home. That's for ANY car at ANY price point. If I'm paying 6,000+ USD for a gaming computer from what should be a reputable company, I would be expecting it to be 100% right when I unboxed it, connnected my peripherals, and turned it on. That's part of why I'm willing to pay the premium. For Corsiar to just answer with, Well, we have 24/7 support available , is ludicrous.
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Alexandre
2 questions, maybe I missed something:
1- when was the bios update available? It would be nice to hear: the bios was fixed 6 months before we bought
2- most important question: why now? Why the huge delay? It was bought on MAY 2022 and delivered almost one year later?
Maybe GN had some contracts with corsair and delayed the video because of it? If so, it would be nice to have it clear..
Maybe I missed when it was delivered and why delayed video.
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2 questions, maybe I missed something:
1- when was the bios update available? It would be nice to hear: the bios was fixed 6 months before we bought
2- most important question: why now? Why the huge delay? It was bought on MAY 2022 and delivered almost one year later?
Maybe GN had some contracts with corsair and delayed the video because of it? If so, it would be nice to have it clear..
Maybe I missed when it was delivered and why delayed video.
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kadajawi
To be fair it appears to be a nicely built system with a few minor misconfigurations and a much too high price tag. Yes, it is a systematic error on their part not to update the BIOS etc. (though owning an ASUS X570 board the thought of updating the BIOS terrifies me and sends me on a 5 hour research spree because surely they have f cked up again...). But it is also one that can be easily fixed on their part by implementing a check list.
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To be fair it appears to be a nicely built system with a few minor misconfigurations and a much too high price tag. Yes, it is a systematic error on their part not to update the BIOS etc. (though owning an ASUS X570 board the thought of updating the BIOS terrifies me and sends me on a 5 hour research spree because surely they have f cked up again...). But it is also one that can be easily fixed on their part by implementing a check list.
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hungryyelly
I'm not exactly a watercooling expert but isn't the loop built incorrectly? I've never seen a loop where both GPU ports pass through to the CPU block as opposed to one tube going into the gpu then a tube from the top of the gpu to the cpu and then the last tube from the cpu block to the reservoir? I feel like the gpu temps would suffer as the flow would be more passive as its all being forced to the cpu block?
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I'm not exactly a watercooling expert but isn't the loop built incorrectly? I've never seen a loop where both GPU ports pass through to the CPU block as opposed to one tube going into the gpu then a tube from the top of the gpu to the cpu and then the last tube from the cpu block to the reservoir? I feel like the gpu temps would suffer as the flow would be more passive as its all being forced to the cpu block?
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