Trillion Core Chinese CPU vs. AMD & Intel: ZhaoXin X86 CPU Review ZX-C+ 4701
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Date: 2020-05-06
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China
I wonder if a Huawei Kirin CPU running windows on a x86 emulator could beat the Zhaoxin. Huawei makes the best ARM CPUs. I think it is time for Huawei to get into the x86 CPU market. Anyways the world desperately needs a non-American CPU alternative. If you are a government, military, bank, or any type of critical infrastructure, you obviously don't want to rely on American tech which can have spyware, malware, etc. Security is paramount. Price/performance don't really matter in this case. So obviously governments/corporations would rather pay extra for a non-American CPU which does not have security issues. Also we don't want to keep supporting America's monopoly on chips. If Asia is to grow up, we must build our own chips and stop relying on American tech. It is not about price nor performance. It is about self-reliance and self-development. China cannot become a superpower by importing American tech. China must build her own chips. Period. In the future I do predict that USA will eventually cut off the supply of American chips to China. So this Zhaoxin is a must and necessary step for that eventual day. Build Zhaoxin and buy Zhaoxin now, so that when the time comes we will be ready for the American chip embargo.
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I wonder if a Huawei Kirin CPU running windows on a x86 emulator could beat the Zhaoxin. Huawei makes the best ARM CPUs. I think it is time for Huawei to get into the x86 CPU market. Anyways the world desperately needs a non-American CPU alternative. If you are a government, military, bank, or any type of critical infrastructure, you obviously don't want to rely on American tech which can have spyware, malware, etc. Security is paramount. Price/performance don't really matter in this case. So obviously governments/corporations would rather pay extra for a non-American CPU which does not have security issues. Also we don't want to keep supporting America's monopoly on chips. If Asia is to grow up, we must build our own chips and stop relying on American tech. It is not about price nor performance. It is about self-reliance and self-development. China cannot become a superpower by importing American tech. China must build her own chips. Period. In the future I do predict that USA will eventually cut off the supply of American chips to China. So this Zhaoxin is a must and necessary step for that eventual day. Build Zhaoxin and buy Zhaoxin now, so that when the time comes we will be ready for the American chip embargo.
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Lissandro
I loved the video, once I read ZhaoXin I thought it could be the K5000 although it should be DDR5 so wouldn't be possible. The weaker K-5000 is supposed to come in par in performance with intel's i5-6400 if I remember it correctly (so slightly less than a i3-8100, albeit having 8 cores (and quick reminder, no SMT. Coming from sub-Athlon performance to i3-8100 is a huge leap in performance. Within the right price, it could very well be an option for entry-level gaming or office computer, although I don't know if those parts will ever be officialy (ahem, AliExpress and such) sold outside China. Another leap like that and their next parts could be very competitive against both Intel and AMD, but that is, considering that neither Intel or AMD will have big improvements in performance, and, again, that ZhaoXin sell their parts overseas, which is, sadly, unlikely to happen.
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I loved the video, once I read ZhaoXin I thought it could be the K5000 although it should be DDR5 so wouldn't be possible. The weaker K-5000 is supposed to come in par in performance with intel's i5-6400 if I remember it correctly (so slightly less than a i3-8100, albeit having 8 cores (and quick reminder, no SMT. Coming from sub-Athlon performance to i3-8100 is a huge leap in performance. Within the right price, it could very well be an option for entry-level gaming or office computer, although I don't know if those parts will ever be officialy (ahem, AliExpress and such) sold outside China. Another leap like that and their next parts could be very competitive against both Intel and AMD, but that is, considering that neither Intel or AMD will have big improvements in performance, and, again, that ZhaoXin sell their parts overseas, which is, sadly, unlikely to happen.
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Min
I work at Zhao Xin and I can tell you that the company has unlimited funds so it does not need to cater to the consumer market. The company goal is entirely focused on providing super computing solutions for domestic business, research and defense purposes. The consumer market provides valuable data and for this reason expect to see highly mass produced video game consoles and dedicated VR computers. The company has already acquired the license for Super Mario, Tekken, the Half-Life franchise and Redtube VR to name a few. China has a relatively small but numerically huge amount of unmarried men due to the now repealed one child policy. To prevent dissatisfaction in this demographic, the VR department has been tasked with developing low cost, yet immersive experiences that will bring the warm embrace of the state to those who need it the most.
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I work at Zhao Xin and I can tell you that the company has unlimited funds so it does not need to cater to the consumer market. The company goal is entirely focused on providing super computing solutions for domestic business, research and defense purposes. The consumer market provides valuable data and for this reason expect to see highly mass produced video game consoles and dedicated VR computers. The company has already acquired the license for Super Mario, Tekken, the Half-Life franchise and Redtube VR to name a few. China has a relatively small but numerically huge amount of unmarried men due to the now repealed one child policy. To prevent dissatisfaction in this demographic, the VR department has been tasked with developing low cost, yet immersive experiences that will bring the warm embrace of the state to those who need it the most.
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Y4MES
Ultimately, X86-64 should be open-sourced or the IP should be brought by the US government and then resold at a reasonable price to any company. It is too integral to the functioning and development of computers and having an exclusive control over this instruction set leads exactly to what we've seen Intel do over the last 5 years. When there is no competition, companies will not innovate. Sure, AMD is keeping them on their toes. But ultimately this may lead to a see-saw effect over several years where one goes up, stops innovating, the other catches up and so on. If it was open sourced there would clearly be much more competition in the CPU space and that would greatly benefit not only consumers but the global economy because of the integral role computers play in society in all aspects.
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Ultimately, X86-64 should be open-sourced or the IP should be brought by the US government and then resold at a reasonable price to any company. It is too integral to the functioning and development of computers and having an exclusive control over this instruction set leads exactly to what we've seen Intel do over the last 5 years. When there is no competition, companies will not innovate. Sure, AMD is keeping them on their toes. But ultimately this may lead to a see-saw effect over several years where one goes up, stops innovating, the other catches up and so on. If it was open sourced there would clearly be much more competition in the CPU space and that would greatly benefit not only consumers but the global economy because of the integral role computers play in society in all aspects.
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Sea
I personally have nothing against Chinese people, but do not approve of their government's policies. The Chinese government now wants to be rid of foreign products, but profits from owing the companies that manufacture literally everything from shoes to light bulbs? I think that citizens around the world should start demanding products to once again be made at home. We could all start with something simple like having our nations flags made at home instead of China. This of course is not China's fault, but people like us, who never complained and readily buy Chinese made products to save a buck. Perhaps if manufacturing returns home, more people will have an extra buck to buy locally manufactured stuff?
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I personally have nothing against Chinese people, but do not approve of their government's policies. The Chinese government now wants to be rid of foreign products, but profits from owing the companies that manufacture literally everything from shoes to light bulbs? I think that citizens around the world should start demanding products to once again be made at home. We could all start with something simple like having our nations flags made at home instead of China. This of course is not China's fault, but people like us, who never complained and readily buy Chinese made products to save a buck. Perhaps if manufacturing returns home, more people will have an extra buck to buy locally manufactured stuff?
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Bubble
Do not let the CCP have any chance of catching up with super computers technologies as they will use espionage and a thousand talent initiative to improve on this currently out of date technology overtime. The CCP Corona Virus is just a taste of what to come when they become the world number 1 country. They are doing whatever it takes to get there including killing millions of dissidents, releasing biological weapon onto the world(by purposely delayed the corona virus's deadly outbreak announcement by 6wks and manipulated their own people's infected and death cases, worldwide propaganda to infiltrate the west, commercial organ harvest of prisoners of conscience etc.
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Do not let the CCP have any chance of catching up with super computers technologies as they will use espionage and a thousand talent initiative to improve on this currently out of date technology overtime. The CCP Corona Virus is just a taste of what to come when they become the world number 1 country. They are doing whatever it takes to get there including killing millions of dissidents, releasing biological weapon onto the world(by purposely delayed the corona virus's deadly outbreak announcement by 6wks and manipulated their own people's infected and death cases, worldwide propaganda to infiltrate the west, commercial organ harvest of prisoners of conscience etc.
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Troels
There are some big flaws in the test. You are testing software with 0 optimizations for the CPU, running on a OS with 0 optimizations for the cpu. A CPU which btw uses so little power you had trouble measuring it. Software optimization pays is a HUGE part in how well it runs. I remember back in the days when ffmpeg was used to do performance test and some of the new Intel CPU's came out (can't remember which) and they were absolutely slaughtered by the old AMD AMD CPU's until some Intel engineers sat down and optimized the software for their new CPU, which doubled the performance.
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There are some big flaws in the test. You are testing software with 0 optimizations for the CPU, running on a OS with 0 optimizations for the cpu. A CPU which btw uses so little power you had trouble measuring it. Software optimization pays is a HUGE part in how well it runs. I remember back in the days when ffmpeg was used to do performance test and some of the new Intel CPU's came out (can't remember which) and they were absolutely slaughtered by the old AMD AMD CPU's until some Intel engineers sat down and optimized the software for their new CPU, which doubled the performance.
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OKAMI468
I don't understand why we keep doing anything with China. They don't respect intellectual property or copyright. They make cheap, terrible products on their own if not copied. They have inhumane ways of working with people and animals. They do retarded wet market shit and cause pandemics like the current corona virus. They overfish, overhunt, and bully their way into places they shouldn't be (fishing/hunting where they have no right. They are the single biggest threat to planet earth and its inhabitants.
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I don't understand why we keep doing anything with China. They don't respect intellectual property or copyright. They make cheap, terrible products on their own if not copied. They have inhumane ways of working with people and animals. They do retarded wet market shit and cause pandemics like the current corona virus. They overfish, overhunt, and bully their way into places they shouldn't be (fishing/hunting where they have no right. They are the single biggest threat to planet earth and its inhabitants.
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Stoney3K
If they want to go to a 10nm or 7nm process, don't they have to engineer their own EUV chip foundries to do that? As far as I know, almost all of the IP regarding EUV lithography is owned by ASML who supply the etching machines for both AMD and Intel, so I'm really curious how they are going to get their machines to make the chips. It's not like they can just call up the Netherlands and order a shipping container full of them.
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If they want to go to a 10nm or 7nm process, don't they have to engineer their own EUV chip foundries to do that? As far as I know, almost all of the IP regarding EUV lithography is owned by ASML who supply the etching machines for both AMD and Intel, so I'm really curious how they are going to get their machines to make the chips. It's not like they can just call up the Netherlands and order a shipping container full of them.
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Herr
0: 04 Hmm. homegrown? They are not exactly making CPUs in their kitchens, hobby rooms or basements. (Also, quite a few other companies than AMD and Intel have designed and/or manufactured x86 processors over the years. Such as IBM, NEC, Texas Instruments, Thompson, STM, Fujitsu, OKI, Siemens, Cyrix, Intersil, Chips & Technologies, NexGen, UMC, DM&P, Rise, Centaur and VIA)
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0: 04 Hmm. homegrown? They are not exactly making CPUs in their kitchens, hobby rooms or basements. (Also, quite a few other companies than AMD and Intel have designed and/or manufactured x86 processors over the years. Such as IBM, NEC, Texas Instruments, Thompson, STM, Fujitsu, OKI, Siemens, Cyrix, Intersil, Chips & Technologies, NexGen, UMC, DM&P, Rise, Centaur and VIA)
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