Ryzen 3 3300x Bottleneck Benchmark vs. 2080 TI, 2070 Super, 2060 KO, & more gpus
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Date: 2020-05-13
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JETWTF
It's PCI-E... Or AGP. Dafuq? Modern motherboards come with an AGP socket today and you can get a modern video card for that socket? Or was Steve thinking about 2008 and when things were so much simpler (not really simpler). To be honest I think they should have stuck with the Accelerated Graphics Port or AGP rather than moving to PCI-E for video cards. Sharing bandwidth across parts wouldn't be as much an issue if the video card had it's own. That kinda goes along with I hate that NVidia bought PhysX and integrated it into the GPU rather than leave PhysX alone and allow a war for physics on a card to develop until theres a standard format like video cards are today. A dedicated physics card could free up a huge amount of bandwidth from the CPU so the CPU could do more scripting work. Or free up GPU and higher frames. Anywho dedicated physics cards allows for more intricate games, or more detailed graphics and best of all more physics with less clunky physics.
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It's PCI-E... Or AGP. Dafuq? Modern motherboards come with an AGP socket today and you can get a modern video card for that socket? Or was Steve thinking about 2008 and when things were so much simpler (not really simpler). To be honest I think they should have stuck with the Accelerated Graphics Port or AGP rather than moving to PCI-E for video cards. Sharing bandwidth across parts wouldn't be as much an issue if the video card had it's own. That kinda goes along with I hate that NVidia bought PhysX and integrated it into the GPU rather than leave PhysX alone and allow a war for physics on a card to develop until theres a standard format like video cards are today. A dedicated physics card could free up a huge amount of bandwidth from the CPU so the CPU could do more scripting work. Or free up GPU and higher frames. Anywho dedicated physics cards allows for more intricate games, or more detailed graphics and best of all more physics with less clunky physics.
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Jan
Gamers Nexus: I propose a graph that would make the analyses in these videos much easier (i think). Plot the scores of all tested gpus on the cpu in question (3300x) on the vertical axis, and plot the scores for the same gpus on the high end cpu (8086k) on the horizontal axis. This should give a straight diagonal line if all scales perfectly, and presumably the curve would start deviating from this line at the high end (curbing down). An offset from the perfect diagonal (passing through 0) would indicate a performance change across the board. A variant of this would be to divide the results by each other, this would give you the relative change which would be 1 if nothing changes, smaller than 1 for a reduction in performance. Probably this value would start to droop significantly for high end GPUs.
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Gamers Nexus: I propose a graph that would make the analyses in these videos much easier (i think). Plot the scores of all tested gpus on the cpu in question (3300x) on the vertical axis, and plot the scores for the same gpus on the high end cpu (8086k) on the horizontal axis. This should give a straight diagonal line if all scales perfectly, and presumably the curve would start deviating from this line at the high end (curbing down). An offset from the perfect diagonal (passing through 0) would indicate a performance change across the board. A variant of this would be to divide the results by each other, this would give you the relative change which would be 1 if nothing changes, smaller than 1 for a reduction in performance. Probably this value would start to droop significantly for high end GPUs.
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Hidole555
I like Total War above most other games so benchmarks relating to that series is really what drives what I look for in a PC build. I'll be holding off on upgrading though as I'm eager to see how the new CPUs and GPUs coming out this year will improve the game's performance. However, the benchmarks for it here showed one of the main reasons why I'm hesitant to take the plunge for a 4k display. I'd rather have native 1440p with the more easily attainable higher framerate it brings than try going all out for 4k 120fps in Total War which, even with the new tech releases this year, seems like a pipe dream. A reason I would not go 4k and downscale to 1440p is that some Total War games have small text which would look blurrier than if it were displayed on a monitor with 1440p native.
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I like Total War above most other games so benchmarks relating to that series is really what drives what I look for in a PC build. I'll be holding off on upgrading though as I'm eager to see how the new CPUs and GPUs coming out this year will improve the game's performance. However, the benchmarks for it here showed one of the main reasons why I'm hesitant to take the plunge for a 4k display. I'd rather have native 1440p with the more easily attainable higher framerate it brings than try going all out for 4k 120fps in Total War which, even with the new tech releases this year, seems like a pipe dream. A reason I would not go 4k and downscale to 1440p is that some Total War games have small text which would look blurrier than if it were displayed on a monitor with 1440p native.
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sleepy
I love AMD compatibility throughout Ryzen, really good for budget gamers. I had an FX 6300 system I put a 70 refurbed R9 380 in. Then last year when I wanted more CPU power, I unironically upgraded to a Ryzen 3 1200 on a GB B450m with 16GB RAM for 200, knowing I could sell my R3 1200 to buy a newer gen Ryzen when the prices come down, if I ever needed to, without replacing the MoBo, and that savings goes straight into buying a new GPU sooner, probably an RX 580 8GB. The R3 1200 has out prerformed my FX even though the 6300 was OC'ed to 4.2GHz and my R3 only holds 3.9GHz stable. they both worked great with the R9 380 but the fact that I am in a position to basivcally HAVE to upgrade my CPU and GPU at the same time, it's nice not to have to replace anything else.
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I love AMD compatibility throughout Ryzen, really good for budget gamers. I had an FX 6300 system I put a 70 refurbed R9 380 in. Then last year when I wanted more CPU power, I unironically upgraded to a Ryzen 3 1200 on a GB B450m with 16GB RAM for 200, knowing I could sell my R3 1200 to buy a newer gen Ryzen when the prices come down, if I ever needed to, without replacing the MoBo, and that savings goes straight into buying a new GPU sooner, probably an RX 580 8GB. The R3 1200 has out prerformed my FX even though the 6300 was OC'ed to 4.2GHz and my R3 only holds 3.9GHz stable. they both worked great with the R9 380 but the fact that I am in a position to basivcally HAVE to upgrade my CPU and GPU at the same time, it's nice not to have to replace anything else.
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H.H
Would appreciate an response to this from you Steve. What would you recommend for me to upgrade cpu now with recent 4000 series not getting an Agesa update on b350. Specs: MB: Asus B350-f Cpu: R5 1600 (stock) Ram: 16gb 3000 Mhz Gpu: Sapphire 5700 Nitro+ XT (no driver issues thankfully) PSU: Seasonic 850w Platinum Cooler: Corsair h100i V2 1440p Gaming, Most games i play Div2,WOW,SC2,HALO ATM I don't UC/OC at all i have everything running stock except the RAM, 1600 AF does not exist near me so that one is out of the question. I mostly game but i wanna keep the PC atleast for 3+ years still so im thinking an 8 Core 3000 series unless 4000 series does idd get an agesa support but im not mad if i does not as 3000 series should be an significant upgrade. Thanks.
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Would appreciate an response to this from you Steve. What would you recommend for me to upgrade cpu now with recent 4000 series not getting an Agesa update on b350. Specs: MB: Asus B350-f Cpu: R5 1600 (stock) Ram: 16gb 3000 Mhz Gpu: Sapphire 5700 Nitro+ XT (no driver issues thankfully) PSU: Seasonic 850w Platinum Cooler: Corsair h100i V2 1440p Gaming, Most games i play Div2,WOW,SC2,HALO ATM I don't UC/OC at all i have everything running stock except the RAM, 1600 AF does not exist near me so that one is out of the question. I mostly game but i wanna keep the PC atleast for 3+ years still so im thinking an 8 Core 3000 series unless 4000 series does idd get an agesa support but im not mad if i does not as 3000 series should be an significant upgrade. Thanks.
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DragonEdge10
I was just having a debate with someone that claimed that CPU could never bottleneck a gaming experience (specifically high fps) and that 4 core 4 threads was enough for gaming (once again, specifically high fps, but honestly 4 core 4 thread isn't always enough for the best experiences at standard refresh anymore anyways) and still is in 2020, this definitely came out at the right time to use as evidence. Apparently nobody was crazy enough to benchmark lower end CPUs with a 2080ti (lol) so I couldn't get definitive numbers to illustrate the bottleneck, but this video does the job nicely. Thanks, great work Steve!
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I was just having a debate with someone that claimed that CPU could never bottleneck a gaming experience (specifically high fps) and that 4 core 4 threads was enough for gaming (once again, specifically high fps, but honestly 4 core 4 thread isn't always enough for the best experiences at standard refresh anymore anyways) and still is in 2020, this definitely came out at the right time to use as evidence. Apparently nobody was crazy enough to benchmark lower end CPUs with a 2080ti (lol) so I couldn't get definitive numbers to illustrate the bottleneck, but this video does the job nicely. Thanks, great work Steve!
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proesterchen
Why would anyone ever have recommended spending any more than the bare minimum of your available budget on the CPU for a gaming rig? It's been true since time immemorial that dumping every last cent you can scrounge up into your GPU was the best move for a straight-up gaming PC. And yes, that includes scenarios like and a 3300X and a 2080 Ti (or earlier instances of good enough + high-end combos), because you're still going to have a better gaming experience using that than even a single step down in GPU (2080 Super) + whatever quicker CPU you might be able to afford through this choice.
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Why would anyone ever have recommended spending any more than the bare minimum of your available budget on the CPU for a gaming rig? It's been true since time immemorial that dumping every last cent you can scrounge up into your GPU was the best move for a straight-up gaming PC. And yes, that includes scenarios like and a 3300X and a 2080 Ti (or earlier instances of good enough + high-end combos), because you're still going to have a better gaming experience using that than even a single step down in GPU (2080 Super) + whatever quicker CPU you might be able to afford through this choice.
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Makhloufi
so now you can buy a 2070s and combine it with 120 and you are good to go no need to buy like a 2070s and a200 + cpu that's crazy man or you can just buy this cpu with like a 1660ti and than after like 3 years buy a used 2070s and get much more performance and after like 3 more years you can just put whatever the greatest cpu that can support the b550 and get whatever Nvidia or amd will reales at that time man this is crazy this is like 9 years of huge upgrades in performance for very little money that anyone can afford it .
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so now you can buy a 2070s and combine it with 120 and you are good to go no need to buy like a 2070s and a200 + cpu that's crazy man or you can just buy this cpu with like a 1660ti and than after like 3 years buy a used 2070s and get much more performance and after like 3 more years you can just put whatever the greatest cpu that can support the b550 and get whatever Nvidia or amd will reales at that time man this is crazy this is like 9 years of huge upgrades in performance for very little money that anyone can afford it .
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Snozz
Thank you thank you thank you. Among all the GPU benchmark videos running a 5GHz 9900K & all the CPU benchmark videos running an RTX 2080 Ti, I've really been missing content exploring what actual real world performance I personally can expect with my own rig. I'm currently running an i5 4690k & RX 5700, and I've bought a 3300X and am waiting for the B550 launch. Thanks for making a video showcasing what the 3300X can do with a GPU like mine. I'm not displeased with my purchase.
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Thank you thank you thank you. Among all the GPU benchmark videos running a 5GHz 9900K & all the CPU benchmark videos running an RTX 2080 Ti, I've really been missing content exploring what actual real world performance I personally can expect with my own rig. I'm currently running an i5 4690k & RX 5700, and I've bought a 3300X and am waiting for the B550 launch. Thanks for making a video showcasing what the 3300X can do with a GPU like mine. I'm not displeased with my purchase.
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Harsh
Still for pleasant experience games certainly need more than 4c8t (6c12t) if you can afford. 35% price difference between 3300x to 3600, 50% more core+thread(maybe is not that much) have 6700k its too stutering beyond 100fps in multiplayer and AAA games. Please remember its just not game which is running for some, background task such as windows + client + antivirus also running in background and sum even have msi afterburner.
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Still for pleasant experience games certainly need more than 4c8t (6c12t) if you can afford. 35% price difference between 3300x to 3600, 50% more core+thread(maybe is not that much) have 6700k its too stutering beyond 100fps in multiplayer and AAA games. Please remember its just not game which is running for some, background task such as windows + client + antivirus also running in background and sum even have msi afterburner.
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