Round 5: Is Intel Actually Screwed ft. Wendell of Level1 Techs
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Date: 2025-10-11
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zodwraith5745
RIP to the GOAT. We miss ya Gordon.
I actually have hopes for an Intel recovery. If Nova Lake is half as good as suggested I'm sure Intel will be fine. Arrow Lake isn't even bad necessarily, it just doesn't beat X3D, but it gets treated like it's Bulldozer. Outside of 3D vcache for gaming AMD really doesn't have much of a lead, they just have platform longevity making them the better option. Intel still has a great memory controller, E cores _DO_ help a lot with multicore workloads, and they made big improvements in efficiency. Arrow Lake's only sin was not being a gaming monster. I'd still take it over Raptor Lake and with some of the prices we've been seeing I wouldn't blame anyone else for buying it either.
One of my concerns with AMD sticking with AM5 for 2 more full generations is 1851 already ties and even scores some wins in connectivity. But how much further may AM5 fall behind over the next 2 gens over 4 more years and Intel is on 1954 Not to mention you can already get Z890 boards for nearly the price of B650s. To match the Z890s connectivity you have to spend $300 for a X870. Rumors of 1954 lasting 4 gens means little to me when I buy a new mobo with each build anyways so I can hand the old one down, but I do care about the added features a new motherboard brings.
Wi-Fi 7, Bluetooth 6, more, faster USB4.0 ports, faster LAN, more CPU PCIe lanes, etc. If you have to resort to a bunch of ugly cards and dongles a new motherboard doesn't seem like such a big deal every 4-5yrs. But if AMD parks on AM5 for another 5 years AM5's age may become a weight around it's neck like cheap 350 and 370 boards did AM4. Sometimes a new motherboard can be a _good_ thing.
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RIP to the GOAT. We miss ya Gordon.
I actually have hopes for an Intel recovery. If Nova Lake is half as good as suggested I'm sure Intel will be fine. Arrow Lake isn't even bad necessarily, it just doesn't beat X3D, but it gets treated like it's Bulldozer. Outside of 3D vcache for gaming AMD really doesn't have much of a lead, they just have platform longevity making them the better option. Intel still has a great memory controller, E cores _DO_ help a lot with multicore workloads, and they made big improvements in efficiency. Arrow Lake's only sin was not being a gaming monster. I'd still take it over Raptor Lake and with some of the prices we've been seeing I wouldn't blame anyone else for buying it either.
One of my concerns with AMD sticking with AM5 for 2 more full generations is 1851 already ties and even scores some wins in connectivity. But how much further may AM5 fall behind over the next 2 gens over 4 more years and Intel is on 1954 Not to mention you can already get Z890 boards for nearly the price of B650s. To match the Z890s connectivity you have to spend $300 for a X870. Rumors of 1954 lasting 4 gens means little to me when I buy a new mobo with each build anyways so I can hand the old one down, but I do care about the added features a new motherboard brings.
Wi-Fi 7, Bluetooth 6, more, faster USB4.0 ports, faster LAN, more CPU PCIe lanes, etc. If you have to resort to a bunch of ugly cards and dongles a new motherboard doesn't seem like such a big deal every 4-5yrs. But if AMD parks on AM5 for another 5 years AM5's age may become a weight around it's neck like cheap 350 and 370 boards did AM4. Sometimes a new motherboard can be a _good_ thing.
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erikanybody4298
Lets be honest here: while the bad news about Intel on the cpu front seems to be Ryzen, Intel still outsells AMD significantly on the desktop, because of the OEMs. They still outsell AMD 2:1 in all desktop sales. This has slipped since 2020, but Intel is still making a lot of money selling desktops. And laptops too, where they dominate at a 3:1 advantage. Theyre still making more money than AMD on sales of desktop and laptop cpus. Theres been a slow slide in this, and thats definitely a concern, but its not the huge collapse people keep asserting.
The problem is the server and workstation space.
Epyc and Threadripper have been absolutely killing Xeon everything. Sales of them have been skyrocketting for AMD, and AMD is making substantially greater profits margins on the sales
Intel is losing its highest margin product to AMD, with the AMD making motr per cpu profit as well.
That's the problem. Intel's most profit segment is bleeding VERY badly now and AMD is gaining market share there faster than on the desktop/laptop. OEMs are very sensitive to customer demand in the server space and AMD's performance advantage is killing Intel there.
Thats the problem Intel has. And its not looking like theres a solution to that anytime soon.
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Lets be honest here: while the bad news about Intel on the cpu front seems to be Ryzen, Intel still outsells AMD significantly on the desktop, because of the OEMs. They still outsell AMD 2:1 in all desktop sales. This has slipped since 2020, but Intel is still making a lot of money selling desktops. And laptops too, where they dominate at a 3:1 advantage. Theyre still making more money than AMD on sales of desktop and laptop cpus. Theres been a slow slide in this, and thats definitely a concern, but its not the huge collapse people keep asserting.
The problem is the server and workstation space.
Epyc and Threadripper have been absolutely killing Xeon everything. Sales of them have been skyrocketting for AMD, and AMD is making substantially greater profits margins on the sales
Intel is losing its highest margin product to AMD, with the AMD making motr per cpu profit as well.
That's the problem. Intel's most profit segment is bleeding VERY badly now and AMD is gaining market share there faster than on the desktop/laptop. OEMs are very sensitive to customer demand in the server space and AMD's performance advantage is killing Intel there.
Thats the problem Intel has. And its not looking like theres a solution to that anytime soon.
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CoolTI-Daniel
I 100% agree for the memory controller. I got 2 servers built for a VR Tracking use in Panama. The crappy supplier who sourced the parts didn't do their homework and sadly I trusted them a more then I should have.
4x32GB DDR5-6000 on one and 4x32GB DDR5-6400 on the other. Both boards with B650 motherboards.
In both cases, the PC wouldn't post the second you enabled XMP. Both machines were brought to a competent place, who found the specific ram and motherboard didn't like each other and the best it could do is DDR5-5600
Which is better then the default of 4800 it was initially running on. Sadly for me I was in Panama (from Canada) for only 1 week and most issue started to happen after I was gone.
Props to PTYTech in Panama City... best place in the area for computer hardware or building a proper PC.
The original guys who did the PC, overcharged and built it worse then a bad OEM. CPU (9950) was overheating the second it had any load, they had no idea how to tweak the bios... no bios update, bad fan setup, bad case and cooler spec...
PTYTech changed the case, did all I asked them to do, tweaked the bios and sent me clocking options with cinebench benchmarks and temps. They were Flawless in their support.
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I 100% agree for the memory controller. I got 2 servers built for a VR Tracking use in Panama. The crappy supplier who sourced the parts didn't do their homework and sadly I trusted them a more then I should have.
4x32GB DDR5-6000 on one and 4x32GB DDR5-6400 on the other. Both boards with B650 motherboards.
In both cases, the PC wouldn't post the second you enabled XMP. Both machines were brought to a competent place, who found the specific ram and motherboard didn't like each other and the best it could do is DDR5-5600
Which is better then the default of 4800 it was initially running on. Sadly for me I was in Panama (from Canada) for only 1 week and most issue started to happen after I was gone.
Props to PTYTech in Panama City... best place in the area for computer hardware or building a proper PC.
The original guys who did the PC, overcharged and built it worse then a bad OEM. CPU (9950) was overheating the second it had any load, they had no idea how to tweak the bios... no bios update, bad fan setup, bad case and cooler spec...
PTYTech changed the case, did all I asked them to do, tweaked the bios and sent me clocking options with cinebench benchmarks and temps. They were Flawless in their support.
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snarkywombat155
I'm not a fan of this guest. He regularly is biased to AMD side of the fence. The issue for me is AMD has never, ever been as stable as Intel. I've always had some kind of weird issue that is just a pain in the ass. Like CPU running hotter than Intel, USB not as stable or needing weird hacks to make good enough, compatibility issues, hardware design and memory transports being off, microcode weirdness etc. Admittedly they have come some way since the really bad days but these issues still persist.
Intel on the other hand. These guys have had it all and are losing the plot. Quality control problems, weird marketing and bizarre and often corporate scumbaggery. But they are still the best choice when it comes to reliability and maintainability, especially in the DC space.
What I REALLY want to see is consumers stop the tribalism. Stop making out that AMD is so good now (because it isn't), stop making out that Intel is the worst thing ever (because it isn't) and start demanding both chip makers stop stuffing about with ever increasing power inefficiencies, wattages and heat and start developing new technical paradigms for the future markets. Both companies need a kick in the pants to do better.
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I'm not a fan of this guest. He regularly is biased to AMD side of the fence. The issue for me is AMD has never, ever been as stable as Intel. I've always had some kind of weird issue that is just a pain in the ass. Like CPU running hotter than Intel, USB not as stable or needing weird hacks to make good enough, compatibility issues, hardware design and memory transports being off, microcode weirdness etc. Admittedly they have come some way since the really bad days but these issues still persist.
Intel on the other hand. These guys have had it all and are losing the plot. Quality control problems, weird marketing and bizarre and often corporate scumbaggery. But they are still the best choice when it comes to reliability and maintainability, especially in the DC space.
What I REALLY want to see is consumers stop the tribalism. Stop making out that AMD is so good now (because it isn't), stop making out that Intel is the worst thing ever (because it isn't) and start demanding both chip makers stop stuffing about with ever increasing power inefficiencies, wattages and heat and start developing new technical paradigms for the future markets. Both companies need a kick in the pants to do better.
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andersjjensen
Intel is doing horribly in Desktop, but they are hanging in there (partly due to stigma) in Server, and they're doing well in Laptop. If they fumble on Laptop, which is 8-10x the volume of Desktop, they are utterly screwed. They need that volume badly for fab scale, but from my perspective AMD is coming over the horizon with a thunderstorm. RDNA4 on Desktop has been irrelevant in the DIY and prebuilt Desktop space, but from a technology perspective it's the last cylinder AMD needed to fire on. The next generation of AMD Laptop APUs is going to take the fight to both Intel and Nvidia. AMD has been flirting with APUs since forever but it has always been the total memory bandwidth that has held the GPU portion back on Desktop. Since Laptop is not a fixed platform they can make custom solutions with dual, triple or quad memory controllers depending on how much GPU oomph they decide to pair it with. Which means that, if AMD keeps executing on the GPU software side, there will come a time where AMD can give customers an ultimatum: If you want the absolute fastest Laptop CPU... you'll have to accept that it's paired with Radeon graphics... And customers will accept it if RDNA5/UDNA continues the trend of RDNA4.
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Intel is doing horribly in Desktop, but they are hanging in there (partly due to stigma) in Server, and they're doing well in Laptop. If they fumble on Laptop, which is 8-10x the volume of Desktop, they are utterly screwed. They need that volume badly for fab scale, but from my perspective AMD is coming over the horizon with a thunderstorm. RDNA4 on Desktop has been irrelevant in the DIY and prebuilt Desktop space, but from a technology perspective it's the last cylinder AMD needed to fire on. The next generation of AMD Laptop APUs is going to take the fight to both Intel and Nvidia. AMD has been flirting with APUs since forever but it has always been the total memory bandwidth that has held the GPU portion back on Desktop. Since Laptop is not a fixed platform they can make custom solutions with dual, triple or quad memory controllers depending on how much GPU oomph they decide to pair it with. Which means that, if AMD keeps executing on the GPU software side, there will come a time where AMD can give customers an ultimatum: If you want the absolute fastest Laptop CPU... you'll have to accept that it's paired with Radeon graphics... And customers will accept it if RDNA5/UDNA continues the trend of RDNA4.
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tbomblamo
its really amazing how intel has been left behind. they were industry leaders or competitive in so many spaces. wired networking chipsets, wifi, even 5g cellular. Optane and flash storage, storage controllers. thunderbolt and usb controllers. so close with ARC GPU and Gaudi AI accelerators.. xeon 6 and lunar lake laptop. considering all that its ironic they couldnt figure out SOC or APU. intel atom and n200 are really interesting products. it will be a shame when intel's board sells off all these divisions that could potentially be back on top in a few generations. killing gaudi AI accelerators was absolutely crazy, they weren't even that far behind. I'd argue almost as good as AMD instinct for a while.. i think its pretty clear with the latest open AI partnership with AMD, that nvidia is going to merge/acquire intel to be a proper duopoly like every other market segment
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its really amazing how intel has been left behind. they were industry leaders or competitive in so many spaces. wired networking chipsets, wifi, even 5g cellular. Optane and flash storage, storage controllers. thunderbolt and usb controllers. so close with ARC GPU and Gaudi AI accelerators.. xeon 6 and lunar lake laptop. considering all that its ironic they couldnt figure out SOC or APU. intel atom and n200 are really interesting products. it will be a shame when intel's board sells off all these divisions that could potentially be back on top in a few generations. killing gaudi AI accelerators was absolutely crazy, they weren't even that far behind. I'd argue almost as good as AMD instinct for a while.. i think its pretty clear with the latest open AI partnership with AMD, that nvidia is going to merge/acquire intel to be a proper duopoly like every other market segment
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XX_o_X_o_XX
As a non-gamer, I recently built a $1000 265K/B580 system through a MicroCenter bundle for a dual boot Linux Mint/LTSC A/V workstation. The performance has been excellent, and thus far, and I have had almost zero software/hardware issues.I foresee this machine meeting my needs for at least 5 years. I also have an M4 Mac Mini Pro system, and for about $300 more, I much prefer the ecosystem. If someone wants to play games and/or run Linux as well as have a strong workstation, the 265K build is a great choice, but for someone just wanting an A/V workstation, the Mac offers a far superior experience. AMD is probably great for gaming, but I doubt you can build a more performant workstation for less money than using a 265K at the current pricing. Of course, if you are willing to spend $1000 or more on just the GPU, then price doesn't really matter.
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As a non-gamer, I recently built a $1000 265K/B580 system through a MicroCenter bundle for a dual boot Linux Mint/LTSC A/V workstation. The performance has been excellent, and thus far, and I have had almost zero software/hardware issues.I foresee this machine meeting my needs for at least 5 years. I also have an M4 Mac Mini Pro system, and for about $300 more, I much prefer the ecosystem. If someone wants to play games and/or run Linux as well as have a strong workstation, the 265K build is a great choice, but for someone just wanting an A/V workstation, the Mac offers a far superior experience. AMD is probably great for gaming, but I doubt you can build a more performant workstation for less money than using a 265K at the current pricing. Of course, if you are willing to spend $1000 or more on just the GPU, then price doesn't really matter.
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bertram-raven
I am still using severalTR2950X's because of my need for a LOT of usable independent PCIe lanes which are directly connected to the CPU. Remember, Intel use an internal PCIe lane switch (like a network switch) to keep their PCIe lane count higher artificially - yet they still have a low PCIe lane count. With Intel, there are ZERO PCIe lanes directly connected to the PCIe bus from the CPU in their entire portfolio.
There is literally nothing in the Intel portfolio or the published roadmap which meets my requirements. The reason I stick with 2950X rather than upgrading to Epyc is the price/performance/redundancy gap. I can have six 128GB 32TB NVME storage TR2950X clocked up to 4.6GHz on all cores with sub-ambient water cooling and external dehumidifiers for the price of one Epyc box.
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I am still using severalTR2950X's because of my need for a LOT of usable independent PCIe lanes which are directly connected to the CPU. Remember, Intel use an internal PCIe lane switch (like a network switch) to keep their PCIe lane count higher artificially - yet they still have a low PCIe lane count. With Intel, there are ZERO PCIe lanes directly connected to the PCIe bus from the CPU in their entire portfolio.
There is literally nothing in the Intel portfolio or the published roadmap which meets my requirements. The reason I stick with 2950X rather than upgrading to Epyc is the price/performance/redundancy gap. I can have six 128GB 32TB NVME storage TR2950X clocked up to 4.6GHz on all cores with sub-ambient water cooling and external dehumidifiers for the price of one Epyc box.
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ralphz3849
Intel needs to refocus on the enterprise sector. It's clear that x86 architecture can no longer compete with Apple's M-series silicon chips in the consumer space both in terms of performance and efficiency. Gaming is one of the few remaining strongholds for the x86, but Apple is making strides there too, and it may not be long before that advantage erodes.
In addition, PC gaming is being encroached upon by increasingly powerful handheld devices which a young generation who grew up with smart phones prefers. I foresee traditional gaming PCs fading out over time, especially since the sector represents a small fraction of overall revenue yet generates the vast majority of technical grievances and complaints. I do foresee both Microsoft and Intel leaving the sector altogether.
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Intel needs to refocus on the enterprise sector. It's clear that x86 architecture can no longer compete with Apple's M-series silicon chips in the consumer space both in terms of performance and efficiency. Gaming is one of the few remaining strongholds for the x86, but Apple is making strides there too, and it may not be long before that advantage erodes.
In addition, PC gaming is being encroached upon by increasingly powerful handheld devices which a young generation who grew up with smart phones prefers. I foresee traditional gaming PCs fading out over time, especially since the sector represents a small fraction of overall revenue yet generates the vast majority of technical grievances and complaints. I do foresee both Microsoft and Intel leaving the sector altogether.
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MadMac5
I recently looked at an upgrade for my dad's desktop shop PC to replace the aging i5-3470 he had been using since I handed it down to him in 2018. The most attractive option was actually a B860 motherboard with an Ultra 5 225. It's a lot faster than what he had before, came with its own CPU cooler, the iGPU is capable if he dabbles with Solidworks, and the fact that there's no upgrade path for the motherboard isn't an issue since that CPU/board will probably be good for the life of the system. I could have got a similar AMD bundle, but I would have needed to spend a little more to grab a separate CPU cooler. For a system that went directly into his existing case, it was a good option!
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I recently looked at an upgrade for my dad's desktop shop PC to replace the aging i5-3470 he had been using since I handed it down to him in 2018. The most attractive option was actually a B860 motherboard with an Ultra 5 225. It's a lot faster than what he had before, came with its own CPU cooler, the iGPU is capable if he dabbles with Solidworks, and the fact that there's no upgrade path for the motherboard isn't an issue since that CPU/board will probably be good for the life of the system. I could have got a similar AMD bundle, but I would have needed to spend a little more to grab a separate CPU cooler. For a system that went directly into his existing case, it was a good option!
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CapricanDRJ
For 20 years I bought nothing but AMD. I bought a 7600x last year and played the will it or won't it boot game with ddr5. After hours to days of lost time and countless hours of flashing different bios, I gave up and sent it all back. I went i7-14700k and have not had a single issue since. Bootup time is so much faster, just to get to bios.
The only part of my AMD build that I did not replace was the cpu and it did have a heat mark on it, otherwise motherboard, psu, ram were all swapped. Perhaps a defective processor, but that is a QC issue I am unwilling to accept.
In knowing the intel issues, I immediately flashed the latest bios and reduced the voltage. I'm happy.
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For 20 years I bought nothing but AMD. I bought a 7600x last year and played the will it or won't it boot game with ddr5. After hours to days of lost time and countless hours of flashing different bios, I gave up and sent it all back. I went i7-14700k and have not had a single issue since. Bootup time is so much faster, just to get to bios.
The only part of my AMD build that I did not replace was the cpu and it did have a heat mark on it, otherwise motherboard, psu, ram were all swapped. Perhaps a defective processor, but that is a QC issue I am unwilling to accept.
In knowing the intel issues, I immediately flashed the latest bios and reduced the voltage. I'm happy.
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claytonkyler4697
I just bought a Core Ultra 5 245K and the cheapest B860 ITX Board I could find (Strix B860-I) because the last few systems I built for myself were all AMD and my primary rig uses a Strix X870-I 7800X3D. I just wanted something different and actually wanted the 235 but jeez is it expensive so the 245K it is and I'll just tune it myself for the cooling and power of each setup. I also just got into Stable Diffusion (4070 Super in a 10L case and 4060 in a 5L case) and figure the Intel setup may be better for future content creation needs. I needed a secondary system for the winter to keep at work so I don't slip on ice while carrying my main system and break it.
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I just bought a Core Ultra 5 245K and the cheapest B860 ITX Board I could find (Strix B860-I) because the last few systems I built for myself were all AMD and my primary rig uses a Strix X870-I 7800X3D. I just wanted something different and actually wanted the 235 but jeez is it expensive so the 245K it is and I'll just tune it myself for the cooling and power of each setup. I also just got into Stable Diffusion (4070 Super in a 10L case and 4060 in a 5L case) and figure the Intel setup may be better for future content creation needs. I needed a secondary system for the winter to keep at work so I don't slip on ice while carrying my main system and break it.
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ME-basher-playz
I've said it before & I'll say it again. Nobody came to AMDs rescue when they were on their knees. In fact it was almost celebrated that Intel would be a monopoly with AMD getting clowned on by consumers & muscled out of any deals with OEMs by Intel.
The argument then was that Intel wouldn't be a monopoly because Apple existed. Well now their are arguably even more options.
Intel should be required to save themselves or fail. As a capitalist economy should function. Taxpayers shouldn't be picking up the bill.
AMD is an American company for anyone that's thinks crying national security is a valid argument.
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I've said it before & I'll say it again. Nobody came to AMDs rescue when they were on their knees. In fact it was almost celebrated that Intel would be a monopoly with AMD getting clowned on by consumers & muscled out of any deals with OEMs by Intel.
The argument then was that Intel wouldn't be a monopoly because Apple existed. Well now their are arguably even more options.
Intel should be required to save themselves or fail. As a capitalist economy should function. Taxpayers shouldn't be picking up the bill.
AMD is an American company for anyone that's thinks crying national security is a valid argument.
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flatD1
Every Time I'm seeing some of these PCs with vast Motherboards, PCI Slots, a dedicated Graphics Card, DRAM Slots with DRAM Modules, all like from the 70ies I'm asking myself, is this Stuff really from 2025 Really If you take Look into some Apples Desktop Computers like the Mac Studio or the new Mac mini M4, you mentioned, THIS is 2025, not the old Stuff on this Video here. It is ridicules how old it looks and how obsolete.
And then is Intel who just announced a Core i5 110 CPU in 14nm Technology with a new name but just a recycled CPU from 2019 !!! For 200 Bucks the exact same old CPU ! Are you kidding me, Intel
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Every Time I'm seeing some of these PCs with vast Motherboards, PCI Slots, a dedicated Graphics Card, DRAM Slots with DRAM Modules, all like from the 70ies I'm asking myself, is this Stuff really from 2025 Really If you take Look into some Apples Desktop Computers like the Mac Studio or the new Mac mini M4, you mentioned, THIS is 2025, not the old Stuff on this Video here. It is ridicules how old it looks and how obsolete.
And then is Intel who just announced a Core i5 110 CPU in 14nm Technology with a new name but just a recycled CPU from 2019 !!! For 200 Bucks the exact same old CPU ! Are you kidding me, Intel
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vividexplore
I think all globally prominent US companies are screwed. I was just looking at SSDs. Ended up checking if they were US. Didn't even consider Crucial, Kingston etc. We don't make SSD but if we exported them to the USA they'd get tariffed. How's that for reciprocity Mr Wotsit US has imposed tariffs on virtually everyone. In reciprocity I doubt consumers in those countries will be buying anything from a US brand. It is irrelevant what deals the elites make. You can't force me to buy anything from the US or fly on a Boeing. Where once US brands were ubiquitous now they are being boycotted.
#BoycottUSA
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I think all globally prominent US companies are screwed. I was just looking at SSDs. Ended up checking if they were US. Didn't even consider Crucial, Kingston etc. We don't make SSD but if we exported them to the USA they'd get tariffed. How's that for reciprocity Mr Wotsit US has imposed tariffs on virtually everyone. In reciprocity I doubt consumers in those countries will be buying anything from a US brand. It is irrelevant what deals the elites make. You can't force me to buy anything from the US or fly on a Boeing. Where once US brands were ubiquitous now they are being boycotted.
#BoycottUSA
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superbee1970
Vertical integration, Intel doing their own fab, profit margin should increase, not decrease, Vertical integration, with Intel doing their own fab, considerably reduces reliance on external factors such as an external chip maker... Just saw intel has like 5-6 times more employees than AMD. Intel makes a lot more things than just cpu's, so they need more employees... Intel more diversified in products and product lines, means they can have lower margins and still make as much, or more and not worry about market fluctuations as much, etc... Big picture stuff... Keep up great vids! Long time subber!
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Vertical integration, Intel doing their own fab, profit margin should increase, not decrease, Vertical integration, with Intel doing their own fab, considerably reduces reliance on external factors such as an external chip maker... Just saw intel has like 5-6 times more employees than AMD. Intel makes a lot more things than just cpu's, so they need more employees... Intel more diversified in products and product lines, means they can have lower margins and still make as much, or more and not worry about market fluctuations as much, etc... Big picture stuff... Keep up great vids! Long time subber!
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HydrantTV
That's what short-term vision gives ya. Intel just can't really make long-lasting decisions. That want immediate cash. Hopefully it will change, especially with their fabs. We need competition for TSMC. Samsung Foundry tries to do something for years, they slowly move in the right direction but they're nowhere near the level of TSMC, especially when it comes to capacity and overall refinement of their process.
I was absolutely shocked when I learned that the Core Ultra 2nd gen for mobile was fabricated by TSMC.
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That's what short-term vision gives ya. Intel just can't really make long-lasting decisions. That want immediate cash. Hopefully it will change, especially with their fabs. We need competition for TSMC. Samsung Foundry tries to do something for years, they slowly move in the right direction but they're nowhere near the level of TSMC, especially when it comes to capacity and overall refinement of their process.
I was absolutely shocked when I learned that the Core Ultra 2nd gen for mobile was fabricated by TSMC.
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C17H23NO2
Oh boi.. how the turns have tabled huh.
I was rooting for AMD to come back ever since the first Ryzen line was released, but I didn't expect such a domination in less than a decade.
I was hesitant at first to build my first ever PC ( Laptop user before - always Intel ) with AMD, but in the end i did not regret it at all.
Still using a 5600x and it runs so well for what I need it to do. Some Tweaks when I got it and it still runs like day one 4 years later, and I didn't go easy on it lol.
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Oh boi.. how the turns have tabled huh.
I was rooting for AMD to come back ever since the first Ryzen line was released, but I didn't expect such a domination in less than a decade.
I was hesitant at first to build my first ever PC ( Laptop user before - always Intel ) with AMD, but in the end i did not regret it at all.
Still using a 5600x and it runs so well for what I need it to do. Some Tweaks when I got it and it still runs like day one 4 years later, and I didn't go easy on it lol.
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aminoffline
as i watch all this tech video and enjoy them there is some part of me is angry, why beacuse leaving in country with super high inflation and sanction make this part unreachable for me and 90% of people , see i am meteorologist and my monthly wage is roughly 170 us dollar so , what should i do let use that old i7 7700hq with 1050 from 2017 and i if it broke iam out for good beacuse i can replace it ( as it happend and my pc died and i can not buy new one even seacond hand market is unreachable)
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as i watch all this tech video and enjoy them there is some part of me is angry, why beacuse leaving in country with super high inflation and sanction make this part unreachable for me and 90% of people , see i am meteorologist and my monthly wage is roughly 170 us dollar so , what should i do let use that old i7 7700hq with 1050 from 2017 and i if it broke iam out for good beacuse i can replace it ( as it happend and my pc died and i can not buy new one even seacond hand market is unreachable)
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Side85Winder
AMD was all ways second place for MANY years and no one ever talked about them being 'screwed'.
I have high hopes for intel's new super core tech, 2 cores 1 thread processing. Since the dawn of time single core preformance has been a huge user felt experience in desktop and general preformance. If this tech really smashes the 'single' core preformance numbers I am hopeful for some really amazing user felt experience.
One of the funniest comments was 'I can't wait fir 8 cores 4 threads'.
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AMD was all ways second place for MANY years and no one ever talked about them being 'screwed'.
I have high hopes for intel's new super core tech, 2 cores 1 thread processing. Since the dawn of time single core preformance has been a huge user felt experience in desktop and general preformance. If this tech really smashes the 'single' core preformance numbers I am hopeful for some really amazing user felt experience.
One of the funniest comments was 'I can't wait fir 8 cores 4 threads'.
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