How to Negotiate Starting Salary (as a Microsoft employee) - Kevin Stratvert
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The interview went well, so did second interview. It got its way OK until the negotiations. All was asked was a USD25 increase for the basic. More like an extra hundred bucks if it's one to one basis. The company's HR claims that due to covid19, the max is decreased from 20% from previous salary, to only 15%. The total offered was 10% increase, with USD25 monthly -added bonus-.
Did the research about the company, from the review of it to feedbacks from customer. Presented well. Negotiated one's worth and more than a decade experience. HR came back a week later and say they're rescinding the offer. They're small company, they said. Management doesn't want to budge they said. Time to move on.
First time saying no to the HR pressure. Sad not to be able to contribute to the company because they fit each other nicely. Except the management refused to meet in the middle in regard of salary. He knows he needs to continue looking now, but he needs to also have a financial security while focusing on the job even if it's an extra hundred bucks.
At least he knows what is his worth now.
Company S in Malaysia
Date: 2022-03-15
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Valeria
Hi Kevin.This is really interesting, thank you so much for all of this input! I wished I knew all of this before ... I have been working in a Co. and have been working there for 10 years, after this season, I-m planning on working independently. I provided a great deal of value, but I felt the Co. Was growing and I was part of it, but I wasn-t being acknowledged for it ... to make it more -interesting-, someone that is not very nice was hired as a GM, and the morale of the whole place went down ... So now, and have been doing for some time now, I am developing trainings, etc. I also do art and I am little by little writing a book ... There are a lot of things I want to do, and every time I-m developing something new, something new pops up in my mind as a future project ... I am a person that enjoys working on multiple things at the same time and then finish them at the same time, but I understand this is probably not the best from a time management point of view ... As you-re working independently now, I was wondering if you had any advice for me to handle my multiple interests & projects ... I guess focus is important, but we-re all different and I have always worked -in motion-, now I-m finding it a bit challenging from time to time to focus and be seating down for far too long ... Do you have any advice, programme, or personal experience that you can share with me ... I have read a lot from the Internet, but I still haven-t find the right way for me to handle both my -to do lists- and my multiple projects ... Thanks a lot for listening to my challenge and sorry for the length of this email!!!!
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Hi Kevin.This is really interesting, thank you so much for all of this input! I wished I knew all of this before ... I have been working in a Co. and have been working there for 10 years, after this season, I-m planning on working independently. I provided a great deal of value, but I felt the Co. Was growing and I was part of it, but I wasn-t being acknowledged for it ... to make it more -interesting-, someone that is not very nice was hired as a GM, and the morale of the whole place went down ... So now, and have been doing for some time now, I am developing trainings, etc. I also do art and I am little by little writing a book ... There are a lot of things I want to do, and every time I-m developing something new, something new pops up in my mind as a future project ... I am a person that enjoys working on multiple things at the same time and then finish them at the same time, but I understand this is probably not the best from a time management point of view ... As you-re working independently now, I was wondering if you had any advice for me to handle my multiple interests & projects ... I guess focus is important, but we-re all different and I have always worked -in motion-, now I-m finding it a bit challenging from time to time to focus and be seating down for far too long ... Do you have any advice, programme, or personal experience that you can share with me ... I have read a lot from the Internet, but I still haven-t find the right way for me to handle both my -to do lists- and my multiple projects ... Thanks a lot for listening to my challenge and sorry for the length of this email!!!!
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Tara
A fantastic way to get yourself blackballed from two companies is to conduct more than one round of counter-negotiations trying to up the ante. If you're not a bonafide specialist in a bleeding tech, like AI and ML, you will lose out in the longer run. In fact, it is usually a great way to get yourself blackballed at Company A for a while if you used their offer to up the package of Company B. There are a few ways around this, sure - but many ATS CRM's nowadays keep post-interview notes and they are surfaceable by a name search alone and those records are maintained for an average of 8 years at US tech companies. Source: Me - an experienced SME and worked HR IT in all 3 named tech companies over 20 years.
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A fantastic way to get yourself blackballed from two companies is to conduct more than one round of counter-negotiations trying to up the ante. If you're not a bonafide specialist in a bleeding tech, like AI and ML, you will lose out in the longer run. In fact, it is usually a great way to get yourself blackballed at Company A for a while if you used their offer to up the package of Company B. There are a few ways around this, sure - but many ATS CRM's nowadays keep post-interview notes and they are surfaceable by a name search alone and those records are maintained for an average of 8 years at US tech companies. Source: Me - an experienced SME and worked HR IT in all 3 named tech companies over 20 years.
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Don
Kevin, great video when preparing for a job interview. I want to mention one thing. I had a supervisor when he interviews, he picks the candidate who is the most quietest. I hired one person, who I picked will me all the department needs. That person has to go through the final interview through the supervisor. My supervisor gave him an offer. He asked can I negotiate on the offer, he asked what you say, can I negotiate. Then my supervisor said, you are not getting the job. Some supervisors are very picky on negotiation. If you don't accept the first offer, they kick you out. I did have some experiences with that.
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Kevin, great video when preparing for a job interview. I want to mention one thing. I had a supervisor when he interviews, he picks the candidate who is the most quietest. I hired one person, who I picked will me all the department needs. That person has to go through the final interview through the supervisor. My supervisor gave him an offer. He asked can I negotiate on the offer, he asked what you say, can I negotiate. Then my supervisor said, you are not getting the job. Some supervisors are very picky on negotiation. If you don't accept the first offer, they kick you out. I did have some experiences with that.
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Samuel
Hi Kevin, Great content. Can I just ask about the part where you mentioned if two companies are wanting to hire a candidate then they can use that to their advantage by going back and forth between those 2 Companies to negotiate salary and hence create more value for themselves. My question to you on that is : Anyone can do that even if they did not get a second job offer. Will the companies just give in when one says, - I have another offer- Would the companies ask for proof before they go about negotiating several times?
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Hi Kevin, Great content. Can I just ask about the part where you mentioned if two companies are wanting to hire a candidate then they can use that to their advantage by going back and forth between those 2 Companies to negotiate salary and hence create more value for themselves. My question to you on that is : Anyone can do that even if they did not get a second job offer. Will the companies just give in when one says, - I have another offer- Would the companies ask for proof before they go about negotiating several times?
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Desmond
Hey Kevin!
I just got an offer from Microsoft and I managed to avoid the anchor mistake! Thanks so much for your advice!
I was wondering, given your experience, how flexible Microsoft is in the base salary / sign-on and new-hire equity? In your video, it seems like the base salary is pretty fixed, but how -fixed- it is? Like a 20% bump is okay? :)
How do you negotiate the stock? Are you just asking -I'd like more- or are you asking for a bump of -x%?-?
Thanks again so much for your help!
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Hey Kevin!
I just got an offer from Microsoft and I managed to avoid the anchor mistake! Thanks so much for your advice!
I was wondering, given your experience, how flexible Microsoft is in the base salary / sign-on and new-hire equity? In your video, it seems like the base salary is pretty fixed, but how -fixed- it is? Like a 20% bump is okay? :)
How do you negotiate the stock? Are you just asking -I'd like more- or are you asking for a bump of -x%?-?
Thanks again so much for your help!
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apoQ
Hey man, I liked your video, though I wish you can expand a little more on the low anchor point. I've interviewed a bit, in the past, and that question is guaranteed to come up. So I really wish you could elaborate more specifically on what a good answer would be, with a practical (albeit possibly fictional) example, as I am interviewing for one of the companies you mentioned :D
Have a great one, cheers!
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Hey man, I liked your video, though I wish you can expand a little more on the low anchor point. I've interviewed a bit, in the past, and that question is guaranteed to come up. So I really wish you could elaborate more specifically on what a good answer would be, with a practical (albeit possibly fictional) example, as I am interviewing for one of the companies you mentioned :D
Have a great one, cheers!
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Ivan
I have always felt somewhat nervous with negotiating salary. I tend to what to prove myself and skill, THEN, come year two, I press for a high salary. Albeit, I do ask for more time off.
Regardless, another great video.
In addition, this is a brilliant time to share a video like this. Even more so as 30+ million of Americans are out of work. Good insight and tips!
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I have always felt somewhat nervous with negotiating salary. I tend to what to prove myself and skill, THEN, come year two, I press for a high salary. Albeit, I do ask for more time off.
Regardless, another great video.
In addition, this is a brilliant time to share a video like this. Even more so as 30+ million of Americans are out of work. Good insight and tips!
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Sarah
thanks for sharing such valuable information. I managed to pass on site interview with one of the big tech companies and I am 4 months peragnent. And i want to share this with recruiter but I am not sure when and how to share this without damaging my package or even putting the opportunity in jeopardy ! Can you please give me some tips on that?
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thanks for sharing such valuable information. I managed to pass on site interview with one of the big tech companies and I am 4 months peragnent. And i want to share this with recruiter but I am not sure when and how to share this without damaging my package or even putting the opportunity in jeopardy ! Can you please give me some tips on that?
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Bita
Not related to the current video, but I started learning Excel with your videos and really appreciate it. Could you please give some explanation on how to get the number of multiple words in a sheet with just one formula(not the sum of them)? I want to count some words but don't want to use Countif for every word because it is so time consuming.
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Not related to the current video, but I started learning Excel with your videos and really appreciate it. Could you please give some explanation on how to get the number of multiple words in a sheet with just one formula(not the sum of them)? I want to count some words but don't want to use Countif for every word because it is so time consuming.
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