
The FASTEST Way to Bigger Rear Delts!
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Date: 2022-04-22
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Gabriel
Been diagnosed with a frozen shoulder some months ago. Right arm could go in vertical forward extension only about shoulder height but with considerable pain. Hyper extension with abduction was impossible. The pain was staggering.
I have done kinetotherapy and i got my arm functionality back to 95%. Only some 3 degrees of movement needed to be my old-self again (i have orangutan-like arms, very long, very mobile, rather stronger than they appear.
The therapist told me that the last 3 degrees of mobility are up to me to recover, and that I need bigger shoulder muscles to activate and pull on the frozen ligaments. So, i have been doing this exercise, but the variant Jeff had shown us some years back: foot up on a stool, chest bent on knee, arm hanging along body, 12kg dumbbell in hand, pulling it up as in lat movement, but with extended elbow.
Guys, it WORKS! Rear delt is not observable bigger, but definitely stronger by a long way compared to when i was doing the reverse flies. Mobility gains from day, to day, to day, (to the last syllable of recorded time: . I am sure that in time the size will be noticeable too.
Cheers guys. Train safe, train hard!
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Been diagnosed with a frozen shoulder some months ago. Right arm could go in vertical forward extension only about shoulder height but with considerable pain. Hyper extension with abduction was impossible. The pain was staggering.
I have done kinetotherapy and i got my arm functionality back to 95%. Only some 3 degrees of movement needed to be my old-self again (i have orangutan-like arms, very long, very mobile, rather stronger than they appear.
The therapist told me that the last 3 degrees of mobility are up to me to recover, and that I need bigger shoulder muscles to activate and pull on the frozen ligaments. So, i have been doing this exercise, but the variant Jeff had shown us some years back: foot up on a stool, chest bent on knee, arm hanging along body, 12kg dumbbell in hand, pulling it up as in lat movement, but with extended elbow.
Guys, it WORKS! Rear delt is not observable bigger, but definitely stronger by a long way compared to when i was doing the reverse flies. Mobility gains from day, to day, to day, (to the last syllable of recorded time: . I am sure that in time the size will be noticeable too.
Cheers guys. Train safe, train hard!
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Charlie
Well guys i can tell ya ive been doing this exact exercise for years and while it blew up my lats my rear delts are nonexistent and yes i make sure to bring the bar up to mid chest for the specific reason to hit the rear delts, matter of fact i did the seated wide grip rows for rear delts as the primary muscle but to no avail. So i tried something different that worked well, its the one armed rear lateral raise (performed like a dumbbell row) huge difference from 2 armed because when using 2 arms your opposing traps push together limiting your range of motion. Warning though if you perform it on a bench it will exhaust you just like a deadlift not kidding! So set a smith machine up at your desired level, bend over and hug the bar with your opposing armpit to take the obliques out of it and relieve the pressure put on the lungs, then laterally raise the dumbbell straight out with your free hand
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Well guys i can tell ya ive been doing this exact exercise for years and while it blew up my lats my rear delts are nonexistent and yes i make sure to bring the bar up to mid chest for the specific reason to hit the rear delts, matter of fact i did the seated wide grip rows for rear delts as the primary muscle but to no avail. So i tried something different that worked well, its the one armed rear lateral raise (performed like a dumbbell row) huge difference from 2 armed because when using 2 arms your opposing traps push together limiting your range of motion. Warning though if you perform it on a bench it will exhaust you just like a deadlift not kidding! So set a smith machine up at your desired level, bend over and hug the bar with your opposing armpit to take the obliques out of it and relieve the pressure put on the lungs, then laterally raise the dumbbell straight out with your free hand
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Ben
-Straight arm limits range and activation of the posterior deltoid- this isn't technically correct. If you have mobility issue in your biceps, then perhaps, but there is no difference other than the fact that the center of mass being farther from the joint, making it harder to get to that full extension. I would advise working on mobility and strength in extreme ROM.
-Lighter weights are harder to lift when the arm is straight so its better to go with a seated row so you can lift heavier. - As far as the joint is concerned, resistance is resistance. The 5kg dumbbell at full extension exerts the same force on the joint as a heavier one closer to the pivot point. The deltoid doesn't have an ego. It doesn't care if it is getting its resistance from a piddly 5kg weight.
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-Straight arm limits range and activation of the posterior deltoid- this isn't technically correct. If you have mobility issue in your biceps, then perhaps, but there is no difference other than the fact that the center of mass being farther from the joint, making it harder to get to that full extension. I would advise working on mobility and strength in extreme ROM.
-Lighter weights are harder to lift when the arm is straight so its better to go with a seated row so you can lift heavier. - As far as the joint is concerned, resistance is resistance. The 5kg dumbbell at full extension exerts the same force on the joint as a heavier one closer to the pivot point. The deltoid doesn't have an ego. It doesn't care if it is getting its resistance from a piddly 5kg weight.
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Safer
Actually increasing the moment arm when muscles contract takes advantage of optimizing length tension relationships. This is the purpose of cam based machines. In other words, to maintain constant tension you want increasing effective resistance as actin/myosin overlap increases. The question is the rate of gain optimal? Moving your arms at the elbow (flexing or extending) can alter this based upon feedback. The problem is too many people are concerned with the amount of weight lifted and have crap form, range and/or speed of movement.
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Actually increasing the moment arm when muscles contract takes advantage of optimizing length tension relationships. This is the purpose of cam based machines. In other words, to maintain constant tension you want increasing effective resistance as actin/myosin overlap increases. The question is the rate of gain optimal? Moving your arms at the elbow (flexing or extending) can alter this based upon feedback. The problem is too many people are concerned with the amount of weight lifted and have crap form, range and/or speed of movement.
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Paul
What are your thoughts on using what I call a 'pull cord motion', just focusing on one arm/delt at a time, but twisting the body at the hips and extending the arm fully up and behind the back?
It starts as if you're pulling the cord on a motor, with your hand/weight in front of the opposite knee, whipping it up and back whilst paying attention to the weight, stress etc to not overdo things, as it can be easy to go too heavy and let the momentum do damage.
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What are your thoughts on using what I call a 'pull cord motion', just focusing on one arm/delt at a time, but twisting the body at the hips and extending the arm fully up and behind the back?
It starts as if you're pulling the cord on a motor, with your hand/weight in front of the opposite knee, whipping it up and back whilst paying attention to the weight, stress etc to not overdo things, as it can be easy to go too heavy and let the momentum do damage.
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Klaus-Udo
I do understand the first reasoning - bend your arm to be able to go deeper into the contraction.
but I don't get the second argument, that you don't use the full potential of the muscle, as you have to use lighter weights with a straight arm exercise, because of the bigger lever arm. for the muscle it does not matter if it is reaching it's maximum output capacity moving a small weight at a long lever or a heavier weight at a shorter lever.
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I do understand the first reasoning - bend your arm to be able to go deeper into the contraction.
but I don't get the second argument, that you don't use the full potential of the muscle, as you have to use lighter weights with a straight arm exercise, because of the bigger lever arm. for the muscle it does not matter if it is reaching it's maximum output capacity moving a small weight at a long lever or a heavier weight at a shorter lever.
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MeLike
as a fat person learning to train rear delts has been the hardest task of them all! cant see it so theres a ton of guessing and second guessing. eventually the mind muscle kicks in but it took a good 2 months of trial and error before i was pretty sure i was doing it right even then as ive lost weight and see it a smidge im not 100% confident im maximizing my workout
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as a fat person learning to train rear delts has been the hardest task of them all! cant see it so theres a ton of guessing and second guessing. eventually the mind muscle kicks in but it took a good 2 months of trial and error before i was pretty sure i was doing it right even then as ive lost weight and see it a smidge im not 100% confident im maximizing my workout
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sport
I eliminated the moment arm problem with band pull apparts. The moment arms is at it highest when the tension in the band is lower while then moment arms is lower when the band is is completely stretched. I don't do any other excersice for rear delts anymore and they got huge.
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I eliminated the moment arm problem with band pull apparts. The moment arms is at it highest when the tension in the band is lower while then moment arms is lower when the band is is completely stretched. I don't do any other excersice for rear delts anymore and they got huge.
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The
You could also do a seal row with dumbbells, pulling your arms out to the side, for very similar effect. I've done that in the past quite a few times, it works the rear delts and upper back muscles very well (sort of like a dumbbell version of the face pull.
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You could also do a seal row with dumbbells, pulling your arms out to the side, for very similar effect. I've done that in the past quite a few times, it works the rear delts and upper back muscles very well (sort of like a dumbbell version of the face pull.
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Pam
I think Jeff's physique is the most beautiful looking body I ever seen.
1. Because it's natural (steroid free)
2. Because he works out every muscle properly (to full range of motion lol)
3. Because he watches what he eats
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I think Jeff's physique is the most beautiful looking body I ever seen.
1. Because it's natural (steroid free)
2. Because he works out every muscle properly (to full range of motion lol)
3. Because he watches what he eats
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