MY UNPOPULAR VEGAN OPINIONS (do i still count as vegan)
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Date: 2020-08-08
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colleenag1
I liked all your points except the one about cats. So you're saying it's OK for us to give cats unnatural, lab made food and put their health at risk rather than let them eat their natural diet? Like seriously? If I have a cat, I have it because I want to be part of that sweet soul's life. I will accept it for what it is, including it's NATURAL diet! I will NOT subject it to anything that will put it's health at risk! This is where vegans cross the line into judging & dictating what all other species should eat. Wipe out all carnivores from this planet, why don't ya! Do you actually think evolution got it wrong by creating animals that eat other animals? Are they now 'evil'? That goodness for a few generations of vegans who want to educate us on how millions and millions of years of evolution got it wrong!
I'm sorry. I've been going thru vegan videos to make a sincere effort to consider what the science is. but rhetoric like this just puts me off! I liked all your other points though, you're clearly not politicising veganism as most popular vegans do and that's such a breath of fresh air! But I guess even you need to be reminded of how ridiculous the cat point sounds: )
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I liked all your points except the one about cats. So you're saying it's OK for us to give cats unnatural, lab made food and put their health at risk rather than let them eat their natural diet? Like seriously? If I have a cat, I have it because I want to be part of that sweet soul's life. I will accept it for what it is, including it's NATURAL diet! I will NOT subject it to anything that will put it's health at risk! This is where vegans cross the line into judging & dictating what all other species should eat. Wipe out all carnivores from this planet, why don't ya! Do you actually think evolution got it wrong by creating animals that eat other animals? Are they now 'evil'? That goodness for a few generations of vegans who want to educate us on how millions and millions of years of evolution got it wrong!
I'm sorry. I've been going thru vegan videos to make a sincere effort to consider what the science is. but rhetoric like this just puts me off! I liked all your other points though, you're clearly not politicising veganism as most popular vegans do and that's such a breath of fresh air! But I guess even you need to be reminded of how ridiculous the cat point sounds: )
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Daydreamer
Brian, for your cat problem have you ever looked into vegan cat food? It is formulated and supplemented (just like meat based cat food) to have the nutrition cats need. Cats can still live a fully happy and healthy life on this food. Although I have read that they may be at higher risk of developing bladder stones. Even so (follow me here) If you care about causing the least amount of animal suffering/killing, it still make sense to feed your cat vegan. What's worse, for sure causing suffering and killing to hundreds or thousands of animals to feed your 1 cat? Or feeding 1 animal an adequate but not perfect diet? It's obvious which choice is more violent/forceful.
Perhaps a temporary middle ground solution until we have lab grown meat, would be to talk to a butcher about getting free scrap meat that would otherwise be thrown away to feed your cat with?
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Brian, for your cat problem have you ever looked into vegan cat food? It is formulated and supplemented (just like meat based cat food) to have the nutrition cats need. Cats can still live a fully happy and healthy life on this food. Although I have read that they may be at higher risk of developing bladder stones. Even so (follow me here) If you care about causing the least amount of animal suffering/killing, it still make sense to feed your cat vegan. What's worse, for sure causing suffering and killing to hundreds or thousands of animals to feed your 1 cat? Or feeding 1 animal an adequate but not perfect diet? It's obvious which choice is more violent/forceful.
Perhaps a temporary middle ground solution until we have lab grown meat, would be to talk to a butcher about getting free scrap meat that would otherwise be thrown away to feed your cat with?
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Lora
I thought your opinions were reasonable and logical. I follow Big Cat Rescue and they go through thousands of pounds of meat per year and I often wonder about the source of the food. Also, when young bobcats are being taught to hunt so that they are going to be re-released into the wild, they are given LIVE rodents to catch and kill. I really don't know how they can do it any other way. The needs of the cats have to outweigh the suffering of the rodents and other animals that the cats need for food. I understand that there are supplements that can be added to vegan catfood because of this issue but that doesn't help the wild cats that are going to be released and need to learn to catch their food.
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I thought your opinions were reasonable and logical. I follow Big Cat Rescue and they go through thousands of pounds of meat per year and I often wonder about the source of the food. Also, when young bobcats are being taught to hunt so that they are going to be re-released into the wild, they are given LIVE rodents to catch and kill. I really don't know how they can do it any other way. The needs of the cats have to outweigh the suffering of the rodents and other animals that the cats need for food. I understand that there are supplements that can be added to vegan catfood because of this issue but that doesn't help the wild cats that are going to be released and need to learn to catch their food.
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jessica
I struggle as a vegan pet owner. My husband and I are vegan 3 years now. We intentionally decided not to change our senior dog's diet. He's the only non-vegan in the house. Since my view on the fair treatment of animals has changed it has me questioning pet ownership as a whole. I don't know the answer, but I am seriously conflicted. I agree with you on all points. Vegans wearing 2nd hand leather is another hot button. I'm cool with it. No additional animals are harmed. On the other hand, I had to get rid of a super supple, leather hand bag that just felt too much like skin. because it is!
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I struggle as a vegan pet owner. My husband and I are vegan 3 years now. We intentionally decided not to change our senior dog's diet. He's the only non-vegan in the house. Since my view on the fair treatment of animals has changed it has me questioning pet ownership as a whole. I don't know the answer, but I am seriously conflicted. I agree with you on all points. Vegans wearing 2nd hand leather is another hot button. I'm cool with it. No additional animals are harmed. On the other hand, I had to get rid of a super supple, leather hand bag that just felt too much like skin. because it is!
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Animal
Cats don't need meat to live. Meat is not a nutrient, meat CONTAINS nutrients. Those nutrients can be sourced from non-animal origins. Anecdotes are worthless, and appeal to nature is a fallacy. The only point of contention is whether the nutrients can be absorbed properly. So what? Humans may have issues absorbing iron and D3 on a vegan diet. This doesn't mean we throw out veganism. Most vegans are still not thinking totally rationally. There is nothing true of a cow which if true of a cat would justify killing cats to feed to cows. Same for animals and humans.
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Cats don't need meat to live. Meat is not a nutrient, meat CONTAINS nutrients. Those nutrients can be sourced from non-animal origins. Anecdotes are worthless, and appeal to nature is a fallacy. The only point of contention is whether the nutrients can be absorbed properly. So what? Humans may have issues absorbing iron and D3 on a vegan diet. This doesn't mean we throw out veganism. Most vegans are still not thinking totally rationally. There is nothing true of a cow which if true of a cat would justify killing cats to feed to cows. Same for animals and humans.
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Marko
Most of the things are just what rational vegans think anyway
The part about, I would rather you go vegeterian or 80% plant based is also spot on. But it's just we shouldn't tell non vegans that, .we are promoting veganism and saying that veganism is the final goal, and as a result of that meat eaters will reduce their meat intake anyway and possibly become vegan in the future. But if we tell them, it's ok to just be vegeterian or just mostly plant based, they maybe would not not even do that much.
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Most of the things are just what rational vegans think anyway
The part about, I would rather you go vegeterian or 80% plant based is also spot on. But it's just we shouldn't tell non vegans that, .we are promoting veganism and saying that veganism is the final goal, and as a result of that meat eaters will reduce their meat intake anyway and possibly become vegan in the future. But if we tell them, it's ok to just be vegeterian or just mostly plant based, they maybe would not not even do that much.
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April
I think a big problem in the vegan community is the belief that any diet is perfect. There are too many variables to determine what would be the perfect diet for any individual. Instead, we get broad brushstrokes that tell us more plants and fewer animal products are good. When you add in animal rights and climate change, the logical conclusion is veganism. Not because it's perfect, but because it marries these things together.
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I think a big problem in the vegan community is the belief that any diet is perfect. There are too many variables to determine what would be the perfect diet for any individual. Instead, we get broad brushstrokes that tell us more plants and fewer animal products are good. When you add in animal rights and climate change, the logical conclusion is veganism. Not because it's perfect, but because it marries these things together.
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shadowlink3339
I agree with everything you said. Especially about the zoos. Turn into a sanctuary and or an info center to learn things about beautiful animals.
I don't reset my vegetarian timer if I test taste something for my kids. Because I'm still making a conscience effort to not eat meat. I'm thinking on going vegan. I know withdraw from cheese and sour cream will be tough.
Thank You for the video!
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I agree with everything you said. Especially about the zoos. Turn into a sanctuary and or an info center to learn things about beautiful animals.
I don't reset my vegetarian timer if I test taste something for my kids. Because I'm still making a conscience effort to not eat meat. I'm thinking on going vegan. I know withdraw from cheese and sour cream will be tough.
Thank You for the video!
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Helo
About people not being vegan, and thats its my unpopular opinion, i believe theres more about it than not knowing, theres culture and religion, and if theres people that can see and find peace with being vegan with their culture/religious background great, but it's also great if they don't, because culture/religion is not something that you can change easily or even want to change.
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About people not being vegan, and thats its my unpopular opinion, i believe theres more about it than not knowing, theres culture and religion, and if theres people that can see and find peace with being vegan with their culture/religious background great, but it's also great if they don't, because culture/religion is not something that you can change easily or even want to change.
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