How to Punish Bad Drivers
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Date: 2025-03-01
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Fs3i
I live in Germany, but this year I have spent multiple months each in Germany and the US. I have driven cars in those countries and others. And I think urban planning can do a lot to reduce distracted driving, as well as road rage.
For distracted driving, I have noticed in myself, but also with other people, that the amount of stoplights and slow-moving stop and go traffic that is extremely prevalent in the US does condition drivers to be okay with having one hand on the wheel and one hand on the phone. After all, if you do it while you're stopped constantly, or moving slowly, it's not unreasonable to do it while you're going faster. That, however, is the weaker argument.
The street design in the US is just very aggrevating. Because the roads are so wide and so emtpy, it incentivizes drivers to drive more risky and faster due to a higher perceived safety (a well-known effect, and combined with dense traffic, this makes people being cut off and similar more frequent. In addition, due to the frequent and long stoplights, people are incentivized to rush from stoplight to stoplight. This is especially bad due to the way stroads are designed.
There's also many possible conflict points on those multi-lane stroads, where you can intentionally (or unintentionally) inconvenience another driver. Conflict points don't just mean more crashes, they also mean more near-misses, in my experience, right So you constantly have to deal with those near misses.
And then there's the fact that with the frequency of stop-and-go traffic, and everything, driving feels just so much more like a punishment in the US. Will I get there in time Oh no, the light turned red, well, that's three minutes gone. Why's everyone on the road
Also, US roads, especially in high-density areas, are also rather ugly, and I wouldn't describe them as pleasant to look at. All of these factors combine to a perfect storm that induces road rage.
Better road designs, reduction of capacity, and more human speeds would already lead to greatly reduced road rage - besides all the other good things those measures would achieve. I think a lot of the onous is not just on individual drivers (though they share plenty of brain, because y'all's training sucks, but also on transportation designers, who finally need to learn how to build streets that don't kill everyone, and have 5000 conflict points per mile.
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I live in Germany, but this year I have spent multiple months each in Germany and the US. I have driven cars in those countries and others. And I think urban planning can do a lot to reduce distracted driving, as well as road rage.
For distracted driving, I have noticed in myself, but also with other people, that the amount of stoplights and slow-moving stop and go traffic that is extremely prevalent in the US does condition drivers to be okay with having one hand on the wheel and one hand on the phone. After all, if you do it while you're stopped constantly, or moving slowly, it's not unreasonable to do it while you're going faster. That, however, is the weaker argument.
The street design in the US is just very aggrevating. Because the roads are so wide and so emtpy, it incentivizes drivers to drive more risky and faster due to a higher perceived safety (a well-known effect, and combined with dense traffic, this makes people being cut off and similar more frequent. In addition, due to the frequent and long stoplights, people are incentivized to rush from stoplight to stoplight. This is especially bad due to the way stroads are designed.
There's also many possible conflict points on those multi-lane stroads, where you can intentionally (or unintentionally) inconvenience another driver. Conflict points don't just mean more crashes, they also mean more near-misses, in my experience, right So you constantly have to deal with those near misses.
And then there's the fact that with the frequency of stop-and-go traffic, and everything, driving feels just so much more like a punishment in the US. Will I get there in time Oh no, the light turned red, well, that's three minutes gone. Why's everyone on the road
Also, US roads, especially in high-density areas, are also rather ugly, and I wouldn't describe them as pleasant to look at. All of these factors combine to a perfect storm that induces road rage.
Better road designs, reduction of capacity, and more human speeds would already lead to greatly reduced road rage - besides all the other good things those measures would achieve. I think a lot of the onous is not just on individual drivers (though they share plenty of brain, because y'all's training sucks, but also on transportation designers, who finally need to learn how to build streets that don't kill everyone, and have 5000 conflict points per mile.
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slicko_di_poo
As far as measurable things like speed and following distance (also rate of acceleration or braking, we already live in times where every car could be equipped with a GPS, accelerometers, and onboard computer capable of phoning the cops. Such cars could be fitted with an instructions screen, telling drivers what speed to drive at (as measured by the devices, not as a physical fact - just to close off a worm-out-hole there) at any particular combination of time and space programmed into the system.
That's the control side. You could compensate with a freedoms side, too. Have expensive higher level drivers licenses, involving real training in, firstly, advanced driving ATTITUDES, and RESPONSIBILITIES, and also a bit of technique (but de-emphasize that. So if the speed limit on the highway is normally 120, have 140-licence, which will permit higher speeds when it's OK to do so. Keep going all the way to Autobahn level if it turns out to make sense (which a system that knows where all cars are at any time might be possible - allow high speeds where the road is clear and the only fatality likely is the fast driver willing to take the risk.
Then instead of having speed traps, you could have more moving patrols, and pull off points. The idea is that if you go past the indicated current speed limit, your computer warns you to slow down. If you don't, you incur a fine, and must stop to report it to the first available traffic cop. If you're in luck, there's one parked at a pull off point on your way. If not, you have to follow the directions to the nearest police station (and failure to comply is another offense. I think that's enough to give the gist. For small violations you could have an unstated policy of just recording a warning (and the real cost to the offender is the waste of time.
For the breathalyzer tubes that get circumvented, one thing you could additionally require is in cab alcohol detection, so that patrol vehicles notified of a possible drunk driver could hunt such vehicles down, pull them over, and check if everything's all right. I'm guessing that there would be a constant tech war round that, though. Each tamper-proofing method would be tampered with. It's probably still worth trying, though
Of course this would _never_ be allowed to happen, so why am I even thinking the thought
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As far as measurable things like speed and following distance (also rate of acceleration or braking, we already live in times where every car could be equipped with a GPS, accelerometers, and onboard computer capable of phoning the cops. Such cars could be fitted with an instructions screen, telling drivers what speed to drive at (as measured by the devices, not as a physical fact - just to close off a worm-out-hole there) at any particular combination of time and space programmed into the system.
That's the control side. You could compensate with a freedoms side, too. Have expensive higher level drivers licenses, involving real training in, firstly, advanced driving ATTITUDES, and RESPONSIBILITIES, and also a bit of technique (but de-emphasize that. So if the speed limit on the highway is normally 120, have 140-licence, which will permit higher speeds when it's OK to do so. Keep going all the way to Autobahn level if it turns out to make sense (which a system that knows where all cars are at any time might be possible - allow high speeds where the road is clear and the only fatality likely is the fast driver willing to take the risk.
Then instead of having speed traps, you could have more moving patrols, and pull off points. The idea is that if you go past the indicated current speed limit, your computer warns you to slow down. If you don't, you incur a fine, and must stop to report it to the first available traffic cop. If you're in luck, there's one parked at a pull off point on your way. If not, you have to follow the directions to the nearest police station (and failure to comply is another offense. I think that's enough to give the gist. For small violations you could have an unstated policy of just recording a warning (and the real cost to the offender is the waste of time.
For the breathalyzer tubes that get circumvented, one thing you could additionally require is in cab alcohol detection, so that patrol vehicles notified of a possible drunk driver could hunt such vehicles down, pull them over, and check if everything's all right. I'm guessing that there would be a constant tech war round that, though. Each tamper-proofing method would be tampered with. It's probably still worth trying, though
Of course this would _never_ be allowed to happen, so why am I even thinking the thought
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katzazi664
In Germany it's hard and expensive to get a drivers license. If you lose your license, you may have to go through a psychological test to check if you can be considered mentally fit for driving. And maybe some retraining.
So a part of the answer could or should be: education of the drivers. And possibly re-education if they have shown to be bad drivers.
Building better infrastructure, to give alternatives and to reduce the effects of bad drivers is another part.
Regarding the criminal system:
In Germany, the criminal system checks if you caused a death or injury or wracked some item. So, looking at the result. Then, it checks if you wanted the result or if it was negligence. Where there is a twist: if you didn't actually intended the result, but you had to consider it as a possible outturn and didn't mind if it occurred, it still considered as if you wanted the result to happen and it's more than negligence. This is true for ALL crimes. Afterwards, it checks if the harm was done in a specific bad way (or I there are specially excuses. Using a dangerous item is considered more damaging. A car is considered to be a dangerous item. (All this is simplified, especially the order of checks)
The principal is that if you get hurt, the other side gets punished for hurting you regardless of what exact means they used, but depending on how badly you were damage.
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In Germany it's hard and expensive to get a drivers license. If you lose your license, you may have to go through a psychological test to check if you can be considered mentally fit for driving. And maybe some retraining.
So a part of the answer could or should be: education of the drivers. And possibly re-education if they have shown to be bad drivers.
Building better infrastructure, to give alternatives and to reduce the effects of bad drivers is another part.
Regarding the criminal system:
In Germany, the criminal system checks if you caused a death or injury or wracked some item. So, looking at the result. Then, it checks if you wanted the result or if it was negligence. Where there is a twist: if you didn't actually intended the result, but you had to consider it as a possible outturn and didn't mind if it occurred, it still considered as if you wanted the result to happen and it's more than negligence. This is true for ALL crimes. Afterwards, it checks if the harm was done in a specific bad way (or I there are specially excuses. Using a dangerous item is considered more damaging. A car is considered to be a dangerous item. (All this is simplified, especially the order of checks)
The principal is that if you get hurt, the other side gets punished for hurting you regardless of what exact means they used, but depending on how badly you were damage.
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Marngel
Almost exactly one year ago, I was involved in a crash after a presumably distracted driver ran a left turn head light and they hit me. It really was a wake up call for me on just how common car crashes can happen and why I am involved in the urbanist movement today. Because of this experience, I am part of that crowd of people who would want tougher punishments for reckless driving, whether it be heavier fines and/or jail time. I also believe it should be harder to get a license to begin with. In Germany for example, their system to get a license is far more strict than getting license in the US, and naturally, they have some of the most disciplined drivers in the world despite being well known for their speed limitless autobahns. However, I do acknowledge that the main priority should ultimately be transforming our infrastructure to make it near impossible to drive in a deadly manner. Instituting traffic calming measures, prioritizing public transit/cycling/walking, and more efficient use of land use are key to making driving safer for everyone inside and outside a car. In addition, if someone were to cause a crash and lost their license, they could still get around and not be relegated as a useless outcast just because they can't drive themselves.
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Almost exactly one year ago, I was involved in a crash after a presumably distracted driver ran a left turn head light and they hit me. It really was a wake up call for me on just how common car crashes can happen and why I am involved in the urbanist movement today. Because of this experience, I am part of that crowd of people who would want tougher punishments for reckless driving, whether it be heavier fines and/or jail time. I also believe it should be harder to get a license to begin with. In Germany for example, their system to get a license is far more strict than getting license in the US, and naturally, they have some of the most disciplined drivers in the world despite being well known for their speed limitless autobahns. However, I do acknowledge that the main priority should ultimately be transforming our infrastructure to make it near impossible to drive in a deadly manner. Instituting traffic calming measures, prioritizing public transit/cycling/walking, and more efficient use of land use are key to making driving safer for everyone inside and outside a car. In addition, if someone were to cause a crash and lost their license, they could still get around and not be relegated as a useless outcast just because they can't drive themselves.
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xb70valkyriech
In the USA, the FAA requires all pilots to get rechecked and refreshed at minimum every 2 years, including knowledge and practical skills (it can be more often depending on the type of pilot, I'm referring to GA. I think something like this for drivers would drastically increase safety, and get poor drivers off the road or retrained long before they're in a wreck. Come back every year or so, and retake your written and practical driving test to keep your license.
A lot of people have gotten complacent or are simply just unsafe to drive, but a 20 minute long test when they're 16 gets them driving for life with no further checks. And if this causes more people to be unable to hold their licenses, that will be a large block of people who suddenly are demanding alternatives to driving.
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In the USA, the FAA requires all pilots to get rechecked and refreshed at minimum every 2 years, including knowledge and practical skills (it can be more often depending on the type of pilot, I'm referring to GA. I think something like this for drivers would drastically increase safety, and get poor drivers off the road or retrained long before they're in a wreck. Come back every year or so, and retake your written and practical driving test to keep your license.
A lot of people have gotten complacent or are simply just unsafe to drive, but a 20 minute long test when they're 16 gets them driving for life with no further checks. And if this causes more people to be unable to hold their licenses, that will be a large block of people who suddenly are demanding alternatives to driving.
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Ella-g2m
Car centricity is why I want to (but probably can't) move out of the US. I want to live in a place made for people, not cars; where I don't have a significant chance of death just trying to get to work. This is crazy. And no one even mentions how many people die or get maimed in crashes. They'll scaremonger all day about raw eggs, or faulty baby cribs, or stranger danger, but ignore the tiger in the room mauling everyone. Cars kill people. 40, 000 every year, an entire small city of deaths! 100% preventable deaths. And one and a half million hospitalizations! Like it's nothing, people don't even bother mentioning it. They get in their car and think nothing of it, they scroll their phone while driving and think nothing of it. Mass insanity.
Cars were a mistake.
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Car centricity is why I want to (but probably can't) move out of the US. I want to live in a place made for people, not cars; where I don't have a significant chance of death just trying to get to work. This is crazy. And no one even mentions how many people die or get maimed in crashes. They'll scaremonger all day about raw eggs, or faulty baby cribs, or stranger danger, but ignore the tiger in the room mauling everyone. Cars kill people. 40, 000 every year, an entire small city of deaths! 100% preventable deaths. And one and a half million hospitalizations! Like it's nothing, people don't even bother mentioning it. They get in their car and think nothing of it, they scroll their phone while driving and think nothing of it. Mass insanity.
Cars were a mistake.
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ryannatividad3137
While all these specifics of dui, road rage, and distraction are big problems, the main problem I've observed is that a scary number of drivers (here in Texas especially) are just extremely reckless in just about every way: lots of weaving in and out of lanes, no use of turn signals, blowing through stop signs, blowing through stop lights on a yellow or right turn, speeding through marked crosswalks, etc. Both the cops and the larger culture seem to generally accept and underenforce these horrible, dangerous driving norms. We desperately need a combination of almost zero tolerance in enforcement for obviously reckless driving behavior as well as road design that makes the worst of driving behavior harder to commit.
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While all these specifics of dui, road rage, and distraction are big problems, the main problem I've observed is that a scary number of drivers (here in Texas especially) are just extremely reckless in just about every way: lots of weaving in and out of lanes, no use of turn signals, blowing through stop signs, blowing through stop lights on a yellow or right turn, speeding through marked crosswalks, etc. Both the cops and the larger culture seem to generally accept and underenforce these horrible, dangerous driving norms. We desperately need a combination of almost zero tolerance in enforcement for obviously reckless driving behavior as well as road design that makes the worst of driving behavior harder to commit.
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anthonypearce9652
Biggest safety improvement would be stop slapping a 20 mph speed limit on a 45 mph road and just engineer the road better. Like the netherlands, as some have said here. Drunk driving and distracted driving are bad, but at some point you have to stop blaming individuals and get to the root of the issue. Like for example, people did not ask to have to go through 2 or 3 touchscreen menus to change the heat/AC. you put a crosswalk in and allow an Escalade or a box truck to park right in front of it and expect drivers to have X-Ray vision. that's another good one. Lets think about designing better roads and safer vehicles and I think a lot of the cultural stuff will follow when people realize how good this is.
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Biggest safety improvement would be stop slapping a 20 mph speed limit on a 45 mph road and just engineer the road better. Like the netherlands, as some have said here. Drunk driving and distracted driving are bad, but at some point you have to stop blaming individuals and get to the root of the issue. Like for example, people did not ask to have to go through 2 or 3 touchscreen menus to change the heat/AC. you put a crosswalk in and allow an Escalade or a box truck to park right in front of it and expect drivers to have X-Ray vision. that's another good one. Lets think about designing better roads and safer vehicles and I think a lot of the cultural stuff will follow when people realize how good this is.
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Zenas521
People need to understand being a pedestrian is a right not a privilege. Cycling is a privilege not a right. Driving is a privilege not a right.
The problem is the transportation infrastructure lies. The way the infrastructure was design and built declares driving to be a right and all other modes of transit to be a privilege. To re-build the transportation infrastructure will be costly, but that is the way of sins of the father.
How should people of bad driving be disciplined Understand whatever befalls them, they brought it on themselves, don't feel bad about handing out justice. Justice is their to keep the innocent safe. In Finland, your ticket is a percentage of your annul income.
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People need to understand being a pedestrian is a right not a privilege. Cycling is a privilege not a right. Driving is a privilege not a right.
The problem is the transportation infrastructure lies. The way the infrastructure was design and built declares driving to be a right and all other modes of transit to be a privilege. To re-build the transportation infrastructure will be costly, but that is the way of sins of the father.
How should people of bad driving be disciplined Understand whatever befalls them, they brought it on themselves, don't feel bad about handing out justice. Justice is their to keep the innocent safe. In Finland, your ticket is a percentage of your annul income.
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foobar9220
Those US road fatality numbers are crazy. Even accounting for the larger population, it is like 4 times the number of Germany. And I think it is too easy to just blame the built environment on that. There are plenty of places around here where cars are the only reasonable way to move around. I definitely can't reasonably go for a drink without driving.
In my opinion, the biggest issue is lack of enforcement, at least around here. If there is no real risk of getting caught drunk, people will just drive drunk (it is estimated that the risk of getting caught DUI in Germany is between 1: 300 and 1: 2000. If distracted driving is never punished, people will text.
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Those US road fatality numbers are crazy. Even accounting for the larger population, it is like 4 times the number of Germany. And I think it is too easy to just blame the built environment on that. There are plenty of places around here where cars are the only reasonable way to move around. I definitely can't reasonably go for a drink without driving.
In my opinion, the biggest issue is lack of enforcement, at least around here. If there is no real risk of getting caught drunk, people will just drive drunk (it is estimated that the risk of getting caught DUI in Germany is between 1: 300 and 1: 2000. If distracted driving is never punished, people will text.
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quanahparker2478
I actually wrote a lengthy technical paper for my master’s a couple months ago on this very topic (even relied heavily on the Chien et al. article! One of my key findings in Texas specifically was that drivers are more likely to improve and have their licenses reinstated if they are provided with legal alternatives, like occupational licenses, fine reductions, and suspended sentences. However, defendants usually have to proactively request to be considered for these alternatives, and since they are not well-advertised, many people simply don’t know about them and continue to drive while suspended. Great video!
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I actually wrote a lengthy technical paper for my master’s a couple months ago on this very topic (even relied heavily on the Chien et al. article! One of my key findings in Texas specifically was that drivers are more likely to improve and have their licenses reinstated if they are provided with legal alternatives, like occupational licenses, fine reductions, and suspended sentences. However, defendants usually have to proactively request to be considered for these alternatives, and since they are not well-advertised, many people simply don’t know about them and continue to drive while suspended. Great video!
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JoseFloresEC
I follow someo of the dashcam subs because part of me enjoys seeing those crashes play out, and every time I see those comments saying the driver needs to be jailed/have their license suspended; I always ask myself, well maybe if our cities weren't so car dependent, people could have alternative modes that can be safer to getting around such as public transportation, walking, and biking, but nope, for the most part we're still making our zoning and streets to be car dependent
i have seen progress in my area to encourage other modes of transportation, but there's still a long way to go to make it even more feasible.
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I follow someo of the dashcam subs because part of me enjoys seeing those crashes play out, and every time I see those comments saying the driver needs to be jailed/have their license suspended; I always ask myself, well maybe if our cities weren't so car dependent, people could have alternative modes that can be safer to getting around such as public transportation, walking, and biking, but nope, for the most part we're still making our zoning and streets to be car dependent
i have seen progress in my area to encourage other modes of transportation, but there's still a long way to go to make it even more feasible.
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robojimtv
No one will love to hear it because muh rights but I think we need to add speed governors in cars that trigger alerts when overridden and you have to justify why you exceeded that speed. These governors can also be dynamic based on what roads you're driving. If we actually capped speeds of drivers in the cities to 25/30 MPH and then higher on the higher order roads, you absolutely would see less injuries and deaths. We also need to do something about distracted driving. All these new cars with more and more touchscreen controls are creating more vectors of danger for distracted drivers, not to mention phone usage.
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No one will love to hear it because muh rights but I think we need to add speed governors in cars that trigger alerts when overridden and you have to justify why you exceeded that speed. These governors can also be dynamic based on what roads you're driving. If we actually capped speeds of drivers in the cities to 25/30 MPH and then higher on the higher order roads, you absolutely would see less injuries and deaths. We also need to do something about distracted driving. All these new cars with more and more touchscreen controls are creating more vectors of danger for distracted drivers, not to mention phone usage.
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BreadPickles
Honestly I think a fundamental problem is that there are a lot of people on the roads that don't want to be on the roads because they have no other option but to use a car to get around. Therefore they speed, drive recklessly, etc etc because they don't want to be driving and want to be done with it as soon as possible. We need to give those people viable alternatives to driving, so that the people on our roads are people that actually want to be on our roads, and will drive more safely because of it. A lot of people also drive recklessly because of how bad traffic is, and reducing traffic will help as well.
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Honestly I think a fundamental problem is that there are a lot of people on the roads that don't want to be on the roads because they have no other option but to use a car to get around. Therefore they speed, drive recklessly, etc etc because they don't want to be driving and want to be done with it as soon as possible. We need to give those people viable alternatives to driving, so that the people on our roads are people that actually want to be on our roads, and will drive more safely because of it. A lot of people also drive recklessly because of how bad traffic is, and reducing traffic will help as well.
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Viewport360
I'll have to reup to Nebula. I had it when it was bundled with Curiosity Stream, but canceled when they dropped Nebula as part of the sub. I honestly wouldn't mind the lifetime membership, but man, it'd take a while for it to be worth it compared to the annual membership. $300 for the lifetime sub is equal to 8. 33 years of annual memberships at $36/year. Although is the $36/year through a creator referral just for the first year, or every year until they change terms Going through the checkout, it sure seems like it may actually be every year. Don't see any mention of it switching to $60 after a year.
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I'll have to reup to Nebula. I had it when it was bundled with Curiosity Stream, but canceled when they dropped Nebula as part of the sub. I honestly wouldn't mind the lifetime membership, but man, it'd take a while for it to be worth it compared to the annual membership. $300 for the lifetime sub is equal to 8. 33 years of annual memberships at $36/year. Although is the $36/year through a creator referral just for the first year, or every year until they change terms Going through the checkout, it sure seems like it may actually be every year. Don't see any mention of it switching to $60 after a year.
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mardiffv. 8775
In my country the Netherlands, you can lose your license when you conduct very dangerous driving or driving 50 kph/ 32 mph over the speed limit. Those dangerous drivers also have to follow an Education Measures Traffic, which cost 1700 Euros/ 1750 USD. Taking 3 days.
When drunk driving is noticed by the police, the driver gets a inhabitation period of several hours in which he is not allowed to drive and he gets a fine.
The problem with drivers who drive with a suspended license is that they are not insured. So the victim has to go to court to get his money for damages. Which can take years.
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In my country the Netherlands, you can lose your license when you conduct very dangerous driving or driving 50 kph/ 32 mph over the speed limit. Those dangerous drivers also have to follow an Education Measures Traffic, which cost 1700 Euros/ 1750 USD. Taking 3 days.
When drunk driving is noticed by the police, the driver gets a inhabitation period of several hours in which he is not allowed to drive and he gets a fine.
The problem with drivers who drive with a suspended license is that they are not insured. So the victim has to go to court to get his money for damages. Which can take years.
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jamiek8123
look, so long as one needs to drive to live, then you just can't effectively prevent bad drivers, so the only fix is to fix that dependency issue.
then once that is done it would be as easy as suspending the license until they prove they are a better driver.
also better roads will help with it, safer roads inherently make driving easier and safer, thus making more drivers safe drivers.
so say no to car dependency, and yes to better, safer roads, and alternatives, lets get trollies back, no worry about getting drunk and needing a designated driver if you can just hop on the trolley.
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look, so long as one needs to drive to live, then you just can't effectively prevent bad drivers, so the only fix is to fix that dependency issue.
then once that is done it would be as easy as suspending the license until they prove they are a better driver.
also better roads will help with it, safer roads inherently make driving easier and safer, thus making more drivers safe drivers.
so say no to car dependency, and yes to better, safer roads, and alternatives, lets get trollies back, no worry about getting drunk and needing a designated driver if you can just hop on the trolley.
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Dumparino
lol as a fellow Wisconsinite, 10 minutes to get to groceries from a dairy farm sounds like a dream. Try 45! But for real, if there were actually trains or busses or cycling paths, I believe they would be used, and yes even in the winter! A surprising number of people kit out their bicycles for winter with fat tires and e-bike batteries. People out there always complain about how much they hate having to drive. They know it's forced upon them because there are never any alternates available. Give your fellow folks from WI some more credit, we're not ALL drunkards: )
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lol as a fellow Wisconsinite, 10 minutes to get to groceries from a dairy farm sounds like a dream. Try 45! But for real, if there were actually trains or busses or cycling paths, I believe they would be used, and yes even in the winter! A surprising number of people kit out their bicycles for winter with fat tires and e-bike batteries. People out there always complain about how much they hate having to drive. They know it's forced upon them because there are never any alternates available. Give your fellow folks from WI some more credit, we're not ALL drunkards: )
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NicholasFadow-o4q
can you cover wichitah falls the worst planned city ever even our university is car centric and our water system is crap recently they murderd my local pond and replaced it with concrete same with all water bodies and sikes lake massacred the geese
green herons and seegulls i used to be able to pick up the geese cus they were so freindly and they cut down thousands of trees and after removing all the water bodies they complain of lack of water and we have no punishment for cutting down trees and we have widest most unwalkable roads anywhere period.
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can you cover wichitah falls the worst planned city ever even our university is car centric and our water system is crap recently they murderd my local pond and replaced it with concrete same with all water bodies and sikes lake massacred the geese
green herons and seegulls i used to be able to pick up the geese cus they were so freindly and they cut down thousands of trees and after removing all the water bodies they complain of lack of water and we have no punishment for cutting down trees and we have widest most unwalkable roads anywhere period.
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edwardcollins741
Modern cars are a big part of the problem. They're too safe for their occupants, filled with distractions, ridiculously overpowered and overweight. Roll back most of the passenger safety standards, put large and highly progessive taxes on vehicle weight and power that would be realtive to the vehicle's cargo and passennger carrying capacity. Require more comprehensive training, enhanced licenses and regular vehicle inspections as well as huge increases on insurance premiums for drivers of things like Mustang GTs, RamTRXs. Hummers, Tesla, Porsche's etc.
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Modern cars are a big part of the problem. They're too safe for their occupants, filled with distractions, ridiculously overpowered and overweight. Roll back most of the passenger safety standards, put large and highly progessive taxes on vehicle weight and power that would be realtive to the vehicle's cargo and passennger carrying capacity. Require more comprehensive training, enhanced licenses and regular vehicle inspections as well as huge increases on insurance premiums for drivers of things like Mustang GTs, RamTRXs. Hummers, Tesla, Porsche's etc.
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