2019 Jaguar I-Pace - Teslas First European Competitor
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Date: 2019-05-30
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Richard Roberson
model 3 is near identical1 longer2 narrower4 shorterthe x is longer than s by a few inches, kinda wider (counting mirrors on a pillar where s is wide at rear only) and taller by 4 inchesso the y will most likely be dam near identical to within an inch of the jaguar at184 L x 75 W x 61 Htesla is known for having decent interior volume outside of the 3 i guess it having the boot and not a hatchbackthe thing is 70k decently equipped post 7500 credit. 77500 msrpit will be going up against a 65, 000 model Y post credit with 2020 autopilot 3. 0? 0 credit by 2020. battery cost might be even cheaper by then and itll likely have a range of 290 vs this things 235the model 3 is slightly lacking on power as they sandbagged the awd version to make performance look betterit fails a bit here at 350hp vs 395. could get an instant update to 400. the heavier SUV could really use ithonestly its rather close despite all the tesla hype and in this case its out first go figure. by apparently 1. 5 yearsthe bad newsthere are literally next to zero chargers between west and east coasts that are not crappy 26kw chevy dealership CCS chargers for the BOLTnissan has chademo for the leaf that it cannot use? or tesla destination chargers with adapters 7kw as its onboard charger is GARBAGE. this thing will not be making any long trips anytime soonwhat PRECIOUS few DC fast chargers there are are like 50KWwhy it only has 7kw onboard if it has trouble finding anywhere to charge L3 why not help it with L2? Teslas had up to 80 amp dual chargers on the older cars or 20KWhell, the thing could make use of quite a few 20kw tesla destination chargers, certainly more than the few chevy CCS chargers out there this car with its decent battery could likely take over 100kw quite easily but its being let down hard by the networkit would only take 200 decent 2 stall CCS charging stations on the interstate highway network for this thing to have some legswhy wont anyone suck it up and do it, heck make them better than teslas already outdated 120kw chargers take some initiative the lack of ANY network is a deal breaker for alot of people, it literally cannot drive more than 120 miles from its houseand its L2 charger is horrible on multiple accounts. could be livable with 20kw L2 charging but nope 7kw only
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model 3 is near identical1 longer2 narrower4 shorterthe x is longer than s by a few inches, kinda wider (counting mirrors on a pillar where s is wide at rear only) and taller by 4 inchesso the y will most likely be dam near identical to within an inch of the jaguar at184 L x 75 W x 61 Htesla is known for having decent interior volume outside of the 3 i guess it having the boot and not a hatchbackthe thing is 70k decently equipped post 7500 credit. 77500 msrpit will be going up against a 65, 000 model Y post credit with 2020 autopilot 3. 0? 0 credit by 2020. battery cost might be even cheaper by then and itll likely have a range of 290 vs this things 235the model 3 is slightly lacking on power as they sandbagged the awd version to make performance look betterit fails a bit here at 350hp vs 395. could get an instant update to 400. the heavier SUV could really use ithonestly its rather close despite all the tesla hype and in this case its out first go figure. by apparently 1. 5 yearsthe bad newsthere are literally next to zero chargers between west and east coasts that are not crappy 26kw chevy dealership CCS chargers for the BOLTnissan has chademo for the leaf that it cannot use? or tesla destination chargers with adapters 7kw as its onboard charger is GARBAGE. this thing will not be making any long trips anytime soonwhat PRECIOUS few DC fast chargers there are are like 50KWwhy it only has 7kw onboard if it has trouble finding anywhere to charge L3 why not help it with L2? Teslas had up to 80 amp dual chargers on the older cars or 20KWhell, the thing could make use of quite a few 20kw tesla destination chargers, certainly more than the few chevy CCS chargers out there this car with its decent battery could likely take over 100kw quite easily but its being let down hard by the networkit would only take 200 decent 2 stall CCS charging stations on the interstate highway network for this thing to have some legswhy wont anyone suck it up and do it, heck make them better than teslas already outdated 120kw chargers take some initiative the lack of ANY network is a deal breaker for alot of people, it literally cannot drive more than 120 miles from its houseand its L2 charger is horrible on multiple accounts. could be livable with 20kw L2 charging but nope 7kw only
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Wikus Van De Merwe
I know if Tesla started taking orders for the MY at this moment, theyd cannibalize their M3 sales, so its understandable that they are holding off until pre-orders can be place for the base M3 that should be out before the March MY announcement. That being said, the MY is poised to absolutely slay the competition, and Id include the I-Pace in that. If based on a dual-motor M3 platform (I hope they do that to speed things up, it could incorporate: -greater ground clearance and easier entry (good for old farts like me) compared to the M3-a newer charging standard of hopefully 250kW (something I bet 2020 M3s also have)-the simplified electrical system Tesla has spoken of, eliminating the 12V legacy battery-air/electric suspension-much better cargo capabilities than the M3-level-4 autonomy (please never take away my steering wheel)-and since the MY would have greater volume than the M3, it could incorporate a larger battery by stacking the cells a bit deeper. My dream battery would be one that is at 80% state of charge with an indicated 100kWh of energy, so the battery itself could be a 120-140kWh version, with 20-40kWh user-obscured to allow for lower degradation and greater charge speed. For example, a 140kWh battery may never dip below 20kWh, or above 120kWh, leaving 20kWh at each end. Charging at 250kW would result in a charge time of around 25 mins, from 0-100%. Most likely the range would be 600-700km. That would be perfect, since Id probably only ever charge for 10 minutes at a time, giving me 300km or so. As usual, I must thank Tesla for any new electric car by any manufacturer, since, as Alex pointed out, it was Tesla who removed the wool from the eyes of the public, and showed that EVs can be practical and desirable. Alex - are you an engineer? You slip in comments regarding dynamics and mechanical systems that I think would go over 90% of people, yet are much appreciated by those of us who have a more in-depth understanding of such systems. Youre definitely my favourite auto reviewer of any place and time, but like others have said, it would be most excellent if you could figure out liabilities and dive into Tesla.
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I know if Tesla started taking orders for the MY at this moment, theyd cannibalize their M3 sales, so its understandable that they are holding off until pre-orders can be place for the base M3 that should be out before the March MY announcement. That being said, the MY is poised to absolutely slay the competition, and Id include the I-Pace in that. If based on a dual-motor M3 platform (I hope they do that to speed things up, it could incorporate: -greater ground clearance and easier entry (good for old farts like me) compared to the M3-a newer charging standard of hopefully 250kW (something I bet 2020 M3s also have)-the simplified electrical system Tesla has spoken of, eliminating the 12V legacy battery-air/electric suspension-much better cargo capabilities than the M3-level-4 autonomy (please never take away my steering wheel)-and since the MY would have greater volume than the M3, it could incorporate a larger battery by stacking the cells a bit deeper. My dream battery would be one that is at 80% state of charge with an indicated 100kWh of energy, so the battery itself could be a 120-140kWh version, with 20-40kWh user-obscured to allow for lower degradation and greater charge speed. For example, a 140kWh battery may never dip below 20kWh, or above 120kWh, leaving 20kWh at each end. Charging at 250kW would result in a charge time of around 25 mins, from 0-100%. Most likely the range would be 600-700km. That would be perfect, since Id probably only ever charge for 10 minutes at a time, giving me 300km or so. As usual, I must thank Tesla for any new electric car by any manufacturer, since, as Alex pointed out, it was Tesla who removed the wool from the eyes of the public, and showed that EVs can be practical and desirable. Alex - are you an engineer? You slip in comments regarding dynamics and mechanical systems that I think would go over 90% of people, yet are much appreciated by those of us who have a more in-depth understanding of such systems. Youre definitely my favourite auto reviewer of any place and time, but like others have said, it would be most excellent if you could figure out liabilities and dive into Tesla.
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Paul Gracey
I write as a satisfied owner of the Model 3. I might have wanted the ground clearance and all wheel drive as I will sometimes do some dirt roads for amateur astronomy, but the Jaguar and Tesla have sort of changed places, style wise in my opinion. Jaguar in the past was THE car company I thought of as having classic, timeless aerodynamic good taste. That is what Tesla has striven for and one reason I chose mine. So what is it about this car that puts me off? Its need to differentiate itself from Tesla ironically enough. So that it has that big, unnecessary grill opening to appeal to the motorheads that love the brand. While in theory that opening slot you pointed out can improve flow over the windscreen, and for some racing type GT sedans does double duty as downforce generator and windscreen flow director, but the Tesla Model 3 does it too, in a much simpler and lower drag mode. The subtle open rakes formed by the fender rises and slope over the frunk serves the same function. The rear end of the Tesla also has more aerodynamic finesse. My point is, the Jaguar has adopted iconic racing and contemporary styling from other cars of this era just to appeal to the demographic that grew up with those a la mode ideas. Will they become out moded in a short time? Will the Tesla styling seem old before the company itself gets firmly established? Time will tell. There are good and bad things about an established brand like Jaguar trying to become more relevant to its enthusiasts in our time of electric transition. They do seem to have designed this one by committee, though.
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I write as a satisfied owner of the Model 3. I might have wanted the ground clearance and all wheel drive as I will sometimes do some dirt roads for amateur astronomy, but the Jaguar and Tesla have sort of changed places, style wise in my opinion. Jaguar in the past was THE car company I thought of as having classic, timeless aerodynamic good taste. That is what Tesla has striven for and one reason I chose mine. So what is it about this car that puts me off? Its need to differentiate itself from Tesla ironically enough. So that it has that big, unnecessary grill opening to appeal to the motorheads that love the brand. While in theory that opening slot you pointed out can improve flow over the windscreen, and for some racing type GT sedans does double duty as downforce generator and windscreen flow director, but the Tesla Model 3 does it too, in a much simpler and lower drag mode. The subtle open rakes formed by the fender rises and slope over the frunk serves the same function. The rear end of the Tesla also has more aerodynamic finesse. My point is, the Jaguar has adopted iconic racing and contemporary styling from other cars of this era just to appeal to the demographic that grew up with those a la mode ideas. Will they become out moded in a short time? Will the Tesla styling seem old before the company itself gets firmly established? Time will tell. There are good and bad things about an established brand like Jaguar trying to become more relevant to its enthusiasts in our time of electric transition. They do seem to have designed this one by committee, though.
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D L
Have an M3 (and PacHy btw that you had reviewed too before. Miss the ground clearance and the ride is a bit stiff like you say on M3 (plus 19. However, at this point I will not consider I-Pace, main reason being: charging network. Say what you want, CCS is _not_ developed in US. Even here, in Bay area, one cant reliably find one with a good confidence it will be available; also if theres one, it is a good chance it is going to be limited to either 24kw or even 9 kw (yes this is the bay area, 2018. CCS DC may have more locations but far fewer stalls, and, most importantly, far worse (if any) real time occupancy information than Tesla Superchargers. Most importantly, Teslas commitment to maintaining the infrastructure and integrating it with long distance trips is simply second to none. I have to disagree with you on the infrastructure availability point. And if we drop out the locations under 4 plugs (due to availability lottery of low stall numbers per location, then CCS DC is all but non-existent in US. Secondary reason, even though (say) i have enough cash to afford either MS, MX or the Jag without a loan, and that would not be my last cash, theres no such thing as disposable income. Buying this car today means e. g, no yacht (or one less yacht for some I guess) in retirement. Cars are one commodity that only goes down price wise for same set of features with time. Retirement, on the other hand, only goes up price wise with time. :)
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Have an M3 (and PacHy btw that you had reviewed too before. Miss the ground clearance and the ride is a bit stiff like you say on M3 (plus 19. However, at this point I will not consider I-Pace, main reason being: charging network. Say what you want, CCS is _not_ developed in US. Even here, in Bay area, one cant reliably find one with a good confidence it will be available; also if theres one, it is a good chance it is going to be limited to either 24kw or even 9 kw (yes this is the bay area, 2018. CCS DC may have more locations but far fewer stalls, and, most importantly, far worse (if any) real time occupancy information than Tesla Superchargers. Most importantly, Teslas commitment to maintaining the infrastructure and integrating it with long distance trips is simply second to none. I have to disagree with you on the infrastructure availability point. And if we drop out the locations under 4 plugs (due to availability lottery of low stall numbers per location, then CCS DC is all but non-existent in US. Secondary reason, even though (say) i have enough cash to afford either MS, MX or the Jag without a loan, and that would not be my last cash, theres no such thing as disposable income. Buying this car today means e. g, no yacht (or one less yacht for some I guess) in retirement. Cars are one commodity that only goes down price wise for same set of features with time. Retirement, on the other hand, only goes up price wise with time. :)
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David Dahan
Alex, the biggest cost of any car is depreciation. Teslas dont depreciate as much as other cars because of the Over-The-Air updates. In the same four or five years when most cars could lose up to half of their value because their technology and features become outdated, Teslas OTA updates improves the car for their owners, causing it to cost significantly less than the sticker price implies. Buy a Tesla for 100k, sell it for 65k is a 35k car Will the I-Pace have OTA updates? If the I-Pace doesnt have OTA updates, then that 80k car will likely be worth significantly less in 4-5 years, maybe 40k. So, a larger, three row, longer-range 100k Model X would be less expensive than a smaller, two-row, less range 80k I-Pace? Yup. All because of OTA. Its that important of a feature to have. Please consider OTA in any electric car - if it has it, the car will depreciate less, allowing one to sell it for more than an electric car that doesnt have OTA updates. Thanks for considering. Love all of your reviews. Watch them frequently and often.
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Alex, the biggest cost of any car is depreciation. Teslas dont depreciate as much as other cars because of the Over-The-Air updates. In the same four or five years when most cars could lose up to half of their value because their technology and features become outdated, Teslas OTA updates improves the car for their owners, causing it to cost significantly less than the sticker price implies. Buy a Tesla for 100k, sell it for 65k is a 35k car Will the I-Pace have OTA updates? If the I-Pace doesnt have OTA updates, then that 80k car will likely be worth significantly less in 4-5 years, maybe 40k. So, a larger, three row, longer-range 100k Model X would be less expensive than a smaller, two-row, less range 80k I-Pace? Yup. All because of OTA. Its that important of a feature to have. Please consider OTA in any electric car - if it has it, the car will depreciate less, allowing one to sell it for more than an electric car that doesnt have OTA updates. Thanks for considering. Love all of your reviews. Watch them frequently and often.
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Sergiy Markutsya
Why would Jaguar I-Pace need a massive front grill? To look like a regular ICE car? Authors OBVIOUS goal is to promote Jaguar I-Pace. There is nothing wrong with this. However, Author uses wrong strategy: comparing I-Pace with Tesla Models 3, S, and X and underrepresenting qualities of these Tesla models. Examples: 22: 23 The Model X is a little bit bigger than this (Jaguar I-Pace. A little bit bigger, really? In fact Tesla Model X is way heavier, longer, wider (when comparing to the Jaguar I-Pace) and designed for up to 7 passengers. Base on this logic I can say that Ford Fusion (as an example) is a little bit bigger than Ford Focus. Tesla offers better cost to quality product despite the fact that Jaguar has long history of building cars and way more financial and production resources. This is very important to understand: if you know how to manufacture ICE cars doesnt guarantee your success in manufacturing EVs.
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Why would Jaguar I-Pace need a massive front grill? To look like a regular ICE car? Authors OBVIOUS goal is to promote Jaguar I-Pace. There is nothing wrong with this. However, Author uses wrong strategy: comparing I-Pace with Tesla Models 3, S, and X and underrepresenting qualities of these Tesla models. Examples: 22: 23 The Model X is a little bit bigger than this (Jaguar I-Pace. A little bit bigger, really? In fact Tesla Model X is way heavier, longer, wider (when comparing to the Jaguar I-Pace) and designed for up to 7 passengers. Base on this logic I can say that Ford Fusion (as an example) is a little bit bigger than Ford Focus. Tesla offers better cost to quality product despite the fact that Jaguar has long history of building cars and way more financial and production resources. This is very important to understand: if you know how to manufacture ICE cars doesnt guarantee your success in manufacturing EVs.
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Eric Peltzer
This is really the first electric car Ive really lusted over. And I will never buy another gasoline powered anything, but most EVs are compelling to me in almost every respect except pure style. The I-Pace might be one of the best looking cars/crossovers/vehicles of any kind on the road under 80k. Not that you can tell from this video which is long on yada yada yada and extremely poor at actually showing the car itself. The styling from many angles is more sports car, its very athletic looking and aggressive, yet not cartoonish and its still a crossover with decent space. Its exactly what a luxury sports crossover is supposed to be. And while I admire Teslas, this just feels like a familiar truly luxurious well done European car. No weird falcon wind doors or odd bulges like the Model X. Yes the efficiency is not what it ought to be compared to the X. .. but everything else. ..
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This is really the first electric car Ive really lusted over. And I will never buy another gasoline powered anything, but most EVs are compelling to me in almost every respect except pure style. The I-Pace might be one of the best looking cars/crossovers/vehicles of any kind on the road under 80k. Not that you can tell from this video which is long on yada yada yada and extremely poor at actually showing the car itself. The styling from many angles is more sports car, its very athletic looking and aggressive, yet not cartoonish and its still a crossover with decent space. Its exactly what a luxury sports crossover is supposed to be. And while I admire Teslas, this just feels like a familiar truly luxurious well done European car. No weird falcon wind doors or odd bulges like the Model X. Yes the efficiency is not what it ought to be compared to the X. .. but everything else. ..
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Ryan
With all this considered, what about maintenance? Tesla is known to have their cars in the shop for months because they do not have anyone but themselves equipped to service their cars. When Teslas need maintenance, customers will have to wait months to get their cars back just because 95% of Teslas parts are on their restricted vin number list. If you do any work on any part of the car that is on that restricted list, Tesla has the right to refuse further service to that car. Being that Jaguar dealerships have much more locations, and that Jaguars vehicles are already allowed to be maintained by third parties (Goodyear, STS, Mavis, etc) and the owner themselves, I do not see Jaguar imposing a restricted vin number list on the I-Pace. I feel the I-Pace will be much easier to maintain, and in the end, the costumers will have their car back from the shop much earlier that Tesla.
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With all this considered, what about maintenance? Tesla is known to have their cars in the shop for months because they do not have anyone but themselves equipped to service their cars. When Teslas need maintenance, customers will have to wait months to get their cars back just because 95% of Teslas parts are on their restricted vin number list. If you do any work on any part of the car that is on that restricted list, Tesla has the right to refuse further service to that car. Being that Jaguar dealerships have much more locations, and that Jaguars vehicles are already allowed to be maintained by third parties (Goodyear, STS, Mavis, etc) and the owner themselves, I do not see Jaguar imposing a restricted vin number list on the I-Pace. I feel the I-Pace will be much easier to maintain, and in the end, the costumers will have their car back from the shop much earlier that Tesla.
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scott payne
My problem with the Tesla platform isnt reliability or price or the thoughtfulness of the experience like charging station networks per vehicle interface all that is a strength of Tesla my problem with Tesla is that from conception the Tesla has been a crowd funded project car you pay for the opportunity to own not pay for the purchase of a vehicle which has left long backups of products and my specific problem with that is if u have a major problem with something there is no Tesla specific shop that has Tesla specific parts to bring it to here in Minnesota where the high ev target audience doesnt exist. With the jaguar there is a dealer within 10 miles of me that will have parts and experts trained in that vehicle to work on it same with chevy same with Nissan and Toyota and so on thats why in my eyes this will have a major advantage over the Tesla model x and s.
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My problem with the Tesla platform isnt reliability or price or the thoughtfulness of the experience like charging station networks per vehicle interface all that is a strength of Tesla my problem with Tesla is that from conception the Tesla has been a crowd funded project car you pay for the opportunity to own not pay for the purchase of a vehicle which has left long backups of products and my specific problem with that is if u have a major problem with something there is no Tesla specific shop that has Tesla specific parts to bring it to here in Minnesota where the high ev target audience doesnt exist. With the jaguar there is a dealer within 10 miles of me that will have parts and experts trained in that vehicle to work on it same with chevy same with Nissan and Toyota and so on thats why in my eyes this will have a major advantage over the Tesla model x and s.
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Brendan Hobbart
Thanks for the review as always Alex. I think your perception that a buyer either wants an EV or an ICE powered vehicle and will shop within those bounds may be a little off the mark. I shop for a vehicle that will accomplish everything I need of it. That means, practicality, performance, comfort, tech etc. If there is a good EV option that ticks the right boxes and is within my price range, then great, I will happily consider the EV (We own a Bolt and love it. However, especially in the crossover segment, there are very few EV options that can compete on price, so I will inevitably be mostly looking at ICE configurations. My next car will be somewhere in the XC60, X3, GLC kind of category and I would love to have a good EV option, but certainly not for a 70k starting price before you start adding options.
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Thanks for the review as always Alex. I think your perception that a buyer either wants an EV or an ICE powered vehicle and will shop within those bounds may be a little off the mark. I shop for a vehicle that will accomplish everything I need of it. That means, practicality, performance, comfort, tech etc. If there is a good EV option that ticks the right boxes and is within my price range, then great, I will happily consider the EV (We own a Bolt and love it. However, especially in the crossover segment, there are very few EV options that can compete on price, so I will inevitably be mostly looking at ICE configurations. My next car will be somewhere in the XC60, X3, GLC kind of category and I would love to have a good EV option, but certainly not for a 70k starting price before you start adding options.
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