Hyundai Nexo Long Term Update One Year Later
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Date: 2020-08-27
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Moozilla
- - - Tesla Model Y does not have 360-degree camera. That alone should eliminate it from consideration.
- Model Y lease for 643/month. However, people forget the cost of installing a Tesla charger at home. The total cost should be about 700/month.
- People also forget that electricity also costs money. I have a lot of excess capacity from my solar panel, but I'm not confident that I could charge for free given the byzantine rules of California utilities.
+ Tesla - the performance is far better for sure.
+ Tesla - your friends and neighbors envy you.
+ Model Y should be roomier than Nexo Limited.
+ Nexo Limited leases for about 500/month.
+ Since fuel is free, the cost comes to about 350/month. This is half the cost of Tesla!
+ Nexo Limited comes with 360-degree camera.
+ Nexo Limited also comes with self-parking tech. The base Model Y does not.
- Nexo: The hydro station is about 10 miles from my wife's office. That's 20 miles wasted per charge, to say nothing of the time waste.
Even: the control stack. Using a pad in car is a terrible idea. However, Nexo's super wide array of buttons eats too much width. Nexo is almost a subcompact vehicle, and there is no need to make it worse.
Even: Both are not for Vegas trip.
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- - - Tesla Model Y does not have 360-degree camera. That alone should eliminate it from consideration.
- Model Y lease for 643/month. However, people forget the cost of installing a Tesla charger at home. The total cost should be about 700/month.
- People also forget that electricity also costs money. I have a lot of excess capacity from my solar panel, but I'm not confident that I could charge for free given the byzantine rules of California utilities.
+ Tesla - the performance is far better for sure.
+ Tesla - your friends and neighbors envy you.
+ Model Y should be roomier than Nexo Limited.
+ Nexo Limited leases for about 500/month.
+ Since fuel is free, the cost comes to about 350/month. This is half the cost of Tesla!
+ Nexo Limited comes with 360-degree camera.
+ Nexo Limited also comes with self-parking tech. The base Model Y does not.
- Nexo: The hydro station is about 10 miles from my wife's office. That's 20 miles wasted per charge, to say nothing of the time waste.
Even: the control stack. Using a pad in car is a terrible idea. However, Nexo's super wide array of buttons eats too much width. Nexo is almost a subcompact vehicle, and there is no need to make it worse.
Even: Both are not for Vegas trip.
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Upd
A plug in version of this, or let's call it PFCEV, would reduce the number of trips to get hydrogen. Since they already have a 1. 56 kWh battery in the Nexo, they just need to do like Toyota did with the Prius Prime and increase its size. Vehicle propulsion is driven by electric motors, so I imagine it would be a fairly straightforward change to add a larger battery. If they need space, then halve the hydrogen tank capacity, using two smaller tanks instead of the 3 large ones they're using now. That should reduce cost and complexity of the Hydrogen system while increasing the cost of the battery. If we're talking about longer trips, I think people would be willing to stop more often for fuel if the stop only took a couple of minutes. So, maybe instead of 380 miles of range, you have a battery with 50 miles of range, and the Hydrogen can take you another 190 miles. The real question is how many limited resources the fuel cell itself uses.
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A plug in version of this, or let's call it PFCEV, would reduce the number of trips to get hydrogen. Since they already have a 1. 56 kWh battery in the Nexo, they just need to do like Toyota did with the Prius Prime and increase its size. Vehicle propulsion is driven by electric motors, so I imagine it would be a fairly straightforward change to add a larger battery. If they need space, then halve the hydrogen tank capacity, using two smaller tanks instead of the 3 large ones they're using now. That should reduce cost and complexity of the Hydrogen system while increasing the cost of the battery. If we're talking about longer trips, I think people would be willing to stop more often for fuel if the stop only took a couple of minutes. So, maybe instead of 380 miles of range, you have a battery with 50 miles of range, and the Hydrogen can take you another 190 miles. The real question is how many limited resources the fuel cell itself uses.
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kens97sto171
People are going to buy whatever makes sense for their life and their pocketbook. The current prices you mentioned for hydrogen would mean it would cost 90 to go 400 mi. That's absolutely insane.
If that new plant comes online at the price you mentioned that brings it down to 10 for that same range which definitely makes better financial sense.
But I think battery electric at this point is so far ahead of the game with charging infrastructure that I don't really see how hydrogen could catch up for general purpose use. However in certain industries like commercial trucking, saving weight is a major major issue. Every pound the truck weighs is a pound of freight it cannot carry which reduces its efficiency. Under those circumstances it might make sense for heavy trucks to use hydrogen. Very fast refueling, lighter in weight definitely has an advantage in that industry.
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People are going to buy whatever makes sense for their life and their pocketbook. The current prices you mentioned for hydrogen would mean it would cost 90 to go 400 mi. That's absolutely insane.
If that new plant comes online at the price you mentioned that brings it down to 10 for that same range which definitely makes better financial sense.
But I think battery electric at this point is so far ahead of the game with charging infrastructure that I don't really see how hydrogen could catch up for general purpose use. However in certain industries like commercial trucking, saving weight is a major major issue. Every pound the truck weighs is a pound of freight it cannot carry which reduces its efficiency. Under those circumstances it might make sense for heavy trucks to use hydrogen. Very fast refueling, lighter in weight definitely has an advantage in that industry.
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Jay
Hydrogen can be green though. A laboratory in Israel figured out a way to use solar energy to separate hydrogen from oxygen in water. Not solar panels to make electricity for electrolysis. I don t remember all the specifics but it s able to directly use the energy from solar radiation to separate the hydrogen. If this can be refined and expanded, it ll present a legitimate production alternative for hydrogen. A physical fuel will often be more practical for drivers as opposed to a battery because of quick fill-ups and energy density. Also, increasing the hydrogen capacity doesn t mean adding hundreds of pounds of battery, which is helpful for semi trucks which need really long ranges and high payloads. Hydrogen is too often shoved aside in favor of shiny batteries, but people just don t understand them
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Hydrogen can be green though. A laboratory in Israel figured out a way to use solar energy to separate hydrogen from oxygen in water. Not solar panels to make electricity for electrolysis. I don t remember all the specifics but it s able to directly use the energy from solar radiation to separate the hydrogen. If this can be refined and expanded, it ll present a legitimate production alternative for hydrogen. A physical fuel will often be more practical for drivers as opposed to a battery because of quick fill-ups and energy density. Also, increasing the hydrogen capacity doesn t mean adding hundreds of pounds of battery, which is helpful for semi trucks which need really long ranges and high payloads. Hydrogen is too often shoved aside in favor of shiny batteries, but people just don t understand them
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nevoi
About charging simultaneously lots of EVs at the same time I believe it might be possible with big battery systems to support high demand to the grid located strategically in neighbourhoods the way Tesla superchargers are backed up by huge batteries.
On the one hand it looks like Tesla, Norway, China did commit themselves to promoting EVs and it just started to work which is proven by so many other carmarkers jumping on EV bandwagon as well as most coutries in Europe.
On the other hand in Hydrogen group are Toyota, Honda, Hyundai/Kia, Japan, South Korea and California and Nikola if it is to be considered serious company.
It does not look like the second group did succeed in promotion of Hydrogen fuel technology so far.
Time will show how Hydrogen technology is going to catch up.
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About charging simultaneously lots of EVs at the same time I believe it might be possible with big battery systems to support high demand to the grid located strategically in neighbourhoods the way Tesla superchargers are backed up by huge batteries.
On the one hand it looks like Tesla, Norway, China did commit themselves to promoting EVs and it just started to work which is proven by so many other carmarkers jumping on EV bandwagon as well as most coutries in Europe.
On the other hand in Hydrogen group are Toyota, Honda, Hyundai/Kia, Japan, South Korea and California and Nikola if it is to be considered serious company.
It does not look like the second group did succeed in promotion of Hydrogen fuel technology so far.
Time will show how Hydrogen technology is going to catch up.
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Ray
I believe a byproduct of a hydrogen fuel cell is water. How much water is created in normal driving, and where does it go? I live in Minnesota and road surfaces are below freezing for quite a few months of the year. Water dripping out of fuel cell cars could cause a nasty ice problem, especially at intersections where cars would sit in one place for a while waiting for the light to change. If the water would be stored in a tank in the car, how would you keep it from freezing and would emptying the water tank have to be part of your parking the car after a trip to the store?
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I believe a byproduct of a hydrogen fuel cell is water. How much water is created in normal driving, and where does it go? I live in Minnesota and road surfaces are below freezing for quite a few months of the year. Water dripping out of fuel cell cars could cause a nasty ice problem, especially at intersections where cars would sit in one place for a while waiting for the light to change. If the water would be stored in a tank in the car, how would you keep it from freezing and would emptying the water tank have to be part of your parking the car after a trip to the store?
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Ralph
I just drove a model Y from San Diego to Bay Area and back. I agree with Alex's comments that 2-3 stops are what you need (starting from Santa Clara, I stopped at Kettlemen City and Santa Clarita supercharging stations to get back to San Diego with 25% SOC, but with 150 to 250 kW charging, each stop was about 15 minutes. Maybe Alex has a bigger bladder than me, but i found my model Y hit 80% by the time I finish a bathroom break and stretched my legs. So I found a Model Y road trip was no slower than going on an ICE car.
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I just drove a model Y from San Diego to Bay Area and back. I agree with Alex's comments that 2-3 stops are what you need (starting from Santa Clara, I stopped at Kettlemen City and Santa Clarita supercharging stations to get back to San Diego with 25% SOC, but with 150 to 250 kW charging, each stop was about 15 minutes. Maybe Alex has a bigger bladder than me, but i found my model Y hit 80% by the time I finish a bathroom break and stretched my legs. So I found a Model Y road trip was no slower than going on an ICE car.
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dsparke93
I love Tesla but i just don't see how battery electric cars can work mainstream. You pointed out a lot of the flaws in this video. Hydrogen fixes many of these problems. If we can fix the problems with infrastructure and cost then hydrogen is on its way to replacing fossil fuels. As far as the pollution produced from producing hydrogen, well if we convert to nuclear power thats no longer a problem is it?
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I love Tesla but i just don't see how battery electric cars can work mainstream. You pointed out a lot of the flaws in this video. Hydrogen fixes many of these problems. If we can fix the problems with infrastructure and cost then hydrogen is on its way to replacing fossil fuels. As far as the pollution produced from producing hydrogen, well if we convert to nuclear power thats no longer a problem is it?
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Dan
After someone spends a few trillion on hydrogen infrastructure, then fuel cell vehicles might make sense for all the travelling salesmen who don't exist anymore. But, why optimize for long distance road trips when 90%+ of typical driving is less than 200 miles? Faster fill-ups five days per year wouldn't compensate for lack of home charging the other 360 days.
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After someone spends a few trillion on hydrogen infrastructure, then fuel cell vehicles might make sense for all the travelling salesmen who don't exist anymore. But, why optimize for long distance road trips when 90%+ of typical driving is less than 200 miles? Faster fill-ups five days per year wouldn't compensate for lack of home charging the other 360 days.
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