How Words Can Harm: Crash Course Philosophy #28
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Date: 2022-04-04
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disco470
I don't think baby has that connotation at all. Think of other attributes of a baby. They are adored, precious, and loved unconditionally. How do you know that's not what I mean when I call my wife baby. We just learned a couple of episodes ago that you can't necessarily define what I mean when I speak. So if I call my wife baby because I love her like I would love a baby and she takes it to mean that I think she's helpless then we don't have hate, we just have a disconnect between speaker meaning and audience meaning. Perhaps instead of being offended she should ask for clarification, or as discussed here previously, she should take from the context of our relationship that I don't see her that way. The word itself only has the meaning that we ascribe to it in the conversation
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I don't think baby has that connotation at all. Think of other attributes of a baby. They are adored, precious, and loved unconditionally. How do you know that's not what I mean when I call my wife baby. We just learned a couple of episodes ago that you can't necessarily define what I mean when I speak. So if I call my wife baby because I love her like I would love a baby and she takes it to mean that I think she's helpless then we don't have hate, we just have a disconnect between speaker meaning and audience meaning. Perhaps instead of being offended she should ask for clarification, or as discussed here previously, she should take from the context of our relationship that I don't see her that way. The word itself only has the meaning that we ascribe to it in the conversation
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Putin-s
That-s interesting about how the words that we may not associate with negativity, can be seen as mean to others. This reminds me of when we were 10. my class and I were confused as to why a girl refused to believe she was a traveler. By definition, she was a traveler (gypsy, and I was confused as to why she didn-t believe it. I thought I-m white, and I can-t just change my race so why did she refuse to believe who she was? All the other travellers who identified as travellers were confused too. I understand now that she was upset by the negative connotations behind being called a traveler and all she could do as a ten year old to defend herself, was to claim to not be a traveler.
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That-s interesting about how the words that we may not associate with negativity, can be seen as mean to others. This reminds me of when we were 10. my class and I were confused as to why a girl refused to believe she was a traveler. By definition, she was a traveler (gypsy, and I was confused as to why she didn-t believe it. I thought I-m white, and I can-t just change my race so why did she refuse to believe who she was? All the other travellers who identified as travellers were confused too. I understand now that she was upset by the negative connotations behind being called a traveler and all she could do as a ten year old to defend herself, was to claim to not be a traveler.
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Jackmanrooney
I think Misinterpretation is very common in certain cases while flouting a maxim. Like when a person calls a woman, baby. Some people may think of that as being called helpless and dependant, whereas other may interpret it to be more positive. People see babies as cute and -said person- sees their significant other as cute, thus baby is a fitting nickname in their eyes. In these cases, I wouldn't say that anyone is to blame. Because you can't blame someone for saying something that you assume was meant to be bad even though it has both positive and negative connotations that are both equally plausible.
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I think Misinterpretation is very common in certain cases while flouting a maxim. Like when a person calls a woman, baby. Some people may think of that as being called helpless and dependant, whereas other may interpret it to be more positive. People see babies as cute and -said person- sees their significant other as cute, thus baby is a fitting nickname in their eyes. In these cases, I wouldn't say that anyone is to blame. Because you can't blame someone for saying something that you assume was meant to be bad even though it has both positive and negative connotations that are both equally plausible.
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Trevor
This is indicative of the agenda of this program. This is clearly biased and it's plain to see. They provided no desenting opinions to the claims they make. Specifically that words can harm.
This is fuel to the fire of people and politicians who wish to erode people's rights. It angers me beyond belief.
The current understanding of the first amendment should be upheld. All speech should be protected, except for those that directly call to action violence or chaos. It is not the government's role to dictate how we should speak.
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This is indicative of the agenda of this program. This is clearly biased and it's plain to see. They provided no desenting opinions to the claims they make. Specifically that words can harm.
This is fuel to the fire of people and politicians who wish to erode people's rights. It angers me beyond belief.
The current understanding of the first amendment should be upheld. All speech should be protected, except for those that directly call to action violence or chaos. It is not the government's role to dictate how we should speak.
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disco470
And about the fighting words. I think that was taken out of context. Nobody ever said that they shouldn't be protected speech. Fighting words is (or at least was) a defense tactic. You get into a fight with someone and they say that you hit first and then you can claim that they were using -fighting words- which means that they were saying things that reasonably led you to believe that they intended to inevitably do violence to you so your preemptive violence was therefore justified. That's all -fighting words- ever meant.
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And about the fighting words. I think that was taken out of context. Nobody ever said that they shouldn't be protected speech. Fighting words is (or at least was) a defense tactic. You get into a fight with someone and they say that you hit first and then you can claim that they were using -fighting words- which means that they were saying things that reasonably led you to believe that they intended to inevitably do violence to you so your preemptive violence was therefore justified. That's all -fighting words- ever meant.
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martin
This reminds me of how 5-year olds react to insults. Suppose Alice insults Bob.
If Bob considers the statement as correct, why blame the messenger?
If Bob considers the statement as incorrect, that statement bears no power as an insult.
I'm quite certain they didn't want to include the free speech argument in the video out of fear that the video will be banned, they'll lose sponsors, etc.
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This reminds me of how 5-year olds react to insults. Suppose Alice insults Bob.
If Bob considers the statement as correct, why blame the messenger?
If Bob considers the statement as incorrect, that statement bears no power as an insult.
I'm quite certain they didn't want to include the free speech argument in the video out of fear that the video will be banned, they'll lose sponsors, etc.
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nkatzphotos
omg, rolling on the floor laughing at the cell phone text! love this guy, i could have never made it through ethics class without you! also, I will never hear someone call a women -baby- again in the same way, good point!
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omg, rolling on the floor laughing at the cell phone text! love this guy, i could have never made it through ethics class without you! also, I will never hear someone call a women -baby- again in the same way, good point!
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1983Nny
I draw issue with the example of -baby. - Words meaning changes with time and usage. Baby, no one would deny, in terms of a significant other is a term of endearment. Both my partner and I use baby on the other.
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I draw issue with the example of -baby. - Words meaning changes with time and usage. Baby, no one would deny, in terms of a significant other is a term of endearment. Both my partner and I use baby on the other.
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Samuel
Conclution: Be mindful and considerate when speaking. It's the best you can to to avoid a negative outcome. If a negative outcome does happen try to solve it. If it can't be solved then language is in fault.
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Conclution: Be mindful and considerate when speaking. It's the best you can to to avoid a negative outcome. If a negative outcome does happen try to solve it. If it can't be solved then language is in fault.
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Mick
So the first word that he avoided that also means bundle of sticks and hence bassoon in German. I work in a music store and our German supplier sent us a coffee cup with Bassoon on it- it was very awkward.
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So the first word that he avoided that also means bundle of sticks and hence bassoon in German. I work in a music store and our German supplier sent us a coffee cup with Bassoon on it- it was very awkward.
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