What caused the fall of one of the most influential empires in history - Mostafa Minawi
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Date: 2025-05-10
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drum_engine
A rare video made by the west, admitting the heavy Allied influence on minorities. However, the narrative still remains. The influence was not like social media posting, it involved arming of rural minorities, which led to massacres of Muslim people (mainly Turks and Kurds, which then led to massacres in retaliation. It also uses deportation and G-word as synonyms, which composes the claim G-word was enacted instead of deportation was enacted. What Germany and Israel did had a big difference in that sense. I wonder what would (and will) any western nation would do, when they had an active armed minority. The same attitude goes for the Cyprus issue, no one starts by mentioning EOKA or Makarios. Before you profile me, I am a Turkish citizen from various ethnic backgrounds and one of my best friends is of Armenian descend. Stop the narrative. Lastly: the influence have never been abandoned at all, it is still an active desire to carve up our country. I would have laughed at this 10 years ago, now it is a common fact.
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A rare video made by the west, admitting the heavy Allied influence on minorities. However, the narrative still remains. The influence was not like social media posting, it involved arming of rural minorities, which led to massacres of Muslim people (mainly Turks and Kurds, which then led to massacres in retaliation. It also uses deportation and G-word as synonyms, which composes the claim G-word was enacted instead of deportation was enacted. What Germany and Israel did had a big difference in that sense. I wonder what would (and will) any western nation would do, when they had an active armed minority. The same attitude goes for the Cyprus issue, no one starts by mentioning EOKA or Makarios. Before you profile me, I am a Turkish citizen from various ethnic backgrounds and one of my best friends is of Armenian descend. Stop the narrative. Lastly: the influence have never been abandoned at all, it is still an active desire to carve up our country. I would have laughed at this 10 years ago, now it is a common fact.
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AltaicGigachad
The dominant reference point in religious warfare in the fifteenth and early sixteenth centuries was the Turk, and this chapter argues that Turkishness’ was a multifaceted and changing identity. For many the essential enemy was the Ottoman Turks, whose aggression and brutality were widely disseminated. Their activities and plans were subjected to numerous prophetic and apocalyptic readings. Many contemporaries described their Christian opponents as Turks or worse than Turks’, a practice that demonstrated both the potency of the Turkish image and the internal divisions which plagued the Christian world. For Erasmus and other moral reformers the Turk resided within each Christian, and Christian sinfulness was fully as fatal to the common defence of Europe as political rivalries. It was the achievement of Thomas More to synthesize these three images in a number of works that he wrote in the late 1520s and early 1530s.
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The dominant reference point in religious warfare in the fifteenth and early sixteenth centuries was the Turk, and this chapter argues that Turkishness’ was a multifaceted and changing identity. For many the essential enemy was the Ottoman Turks, whose aggression and brutality were widely disseminated. Their activities and plans were subjected to numerous prophetic and apocalyptic readings. Many contemporaries described their Christian opponents as Turks or worse than Turks’, a practice that demonstrated both the potency of the Turkish image and the internal divisions which plagued the Christian world. For Erasmus and other moral reformers the Turk resided within each Christian, and Christian sinfulness was fully as fatal to the common defence of Europe as political rivalries. It was the achievement of Thomas More to synthesize these three images in a number of works that he wrote in the late 1520s and early 1530s.
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tamerhabach8747
I love this breakdown video. This is topic that is very meaningful topic in contemporary times for this reason.
I think it's safe to say The fall of the Ottoman Empire, whether people like it or not, is a lot more consequential than the Fall of Rome as it almost represents a collectively painful and real decline for the Muslim world, and Muslims on a personal level. Whereas the Roman Empire was a crown jewel for Romans and many others, the Ottoman Empire was a cultural beacon for Muslims. It was the last time that Muslims actually felt they mattered to the world. Many empires do eventually fall though, and of course the Ottoman Empire was no exception to this rule. I do think it's important though to recognize how important and revolutionary this empire's decline was to the world. More so than Rome I would argue because its effects are still felt today.
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I love this breakdown video. This is topic that is very meaningful topic in contemporary times for this reason.
I think it's safe to say The fall of the Ottoman Empire, whether people like it or not, is a lot more consequential than the Fall of Rome as it almost represents a collectively painful and real decline for the Muslim world, and Muslims on a personal level. Whereas the Roman Empire was a crown jewel for Romans and many others, the Ottoman Empire was a cultural beacon for Muslims. It was the last time that Muslims actually felt they mattered to the world. Many empires do eventually fall though, and of course the Ottoman Empire was no exception to this rule. I do think it's important though to recognize how important and revolutionary this empire's decline was to the world. More so than Rome I would argue because its effects are still felt today.
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mimosveta
turks would be kidnapping male children from the countries they conquered, taking them back to turkey, training them and when they grew up, they were those janissaries, that turks then sent to fight their own families. one time I pointed this out, one turk came at me with what, they were given elite education!
turks never had elite education to give. they were always snakes, and erdogan is not surprising in that regard.
fun fact: becasuse of sheer number of serbian boys kidnapped into janissaries modern turks have more serbian genetics than serbs have turkish, after basically 5 centuries of constant rs of serbian women. they used to r every serbian women on her day of wedding, so women would wed at opportune time, so that their first child, wouldn't be a turk
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turks would be kidnapping male children from the countries they conquered, taking them back to turkey, training them and when they grew up, they were those janissaries, that turks then sent to fight their own families. one time I pointed this out, one turk came at me with what, they were given elite education!
turks never had elite education to give. they were always snakes, and erdogan is not surprising in that regard.
fun fact: becasuse of sheer number of serbian boys kidnapped into janissaries modern turks have more serbian genetics than serbs have turkish, after basically 5 centuries of constant rs of serbian women. they used to r every serbian women on her day of wedding, so women would wed at opportune time, so that their first child, wouldn't be a turk
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HillaryKay012
Such a biased and historically inaccurate video. Can you tell the references where ottoman empire allegedly release a law which creates armenian people to be killed Let me tell you the real history. After Wilsons 14 points release a concept of self determination, which means people of the same national identity should have the right to govern themselves policy, armenian people started to massacre turkish people of their cities. Turks defend themselves and fighted against them. It was not a genocide, not a single ottoman army did anything to the specific ethnic group let alone the armenians. The historical documents also show that 500. 000 turks have been killed by the armenians. How dare you lie blatantly SHAME ON YOU TED ED!
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Such a biased and historically inaccurate video. Can you tell the references where ottoman empire allegedly release a law which creates armenian people to be killed Let me tell you the real history. After Wilsons 14 points release a concept of self determination, which means people of the same national identity should have the right to govern themselves policy, armenian people started to massacre turkish people of their cities. Turks defend themselves and fighted against them. It was not a genocide, not a single ottoman army did anything to the specific ethnic group let alone the armenians. The historical documents also show that 500. 000 turks have been killed by the armenians. How dare you lie blatantly SHAME ON YOU TED ED!
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FatihDemirci7
Visually beautiful, weak in content. The title asks What caused the fall and the video gives a summary of what happened in its last century, omitting many things. Here's a short list of what caused the fall of the once mighty Ottoman Empire: 1. Military defeats (late 1600s1918) / 2. Administrative corruption (1600s1800s) / 3. Economic decline (1700s1900s) / 4. Nationalist uprisings (18041913) / 5. European imperial pressure (1700s1918) / 6. Technological stagnation (1600s1800s) / 7. Loss of trade routes (1500s1700s) / 8. Internal power struggles (1600s1800s) / 9. Weak sultans (1600s1800s) / 10. World War I defeat (19141918)
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Visually beautiful, weak in content. The title asks What caused the fall and the video gives a summary of what happened in its last century, omitting many things. Here's a short list of what caused the fall of the once mighty Ottoman Empire: 1. Military defeats (late 1600s1918) / 2. Administrative corruption (1600s1800s) / 3. Economic decline (1700s1900s) / 4. Nationalist uprisings (18041913) / 5. European imperial pressure (1700s1918) / 6. Technological stagnation (1600s1800s) / 7. Loss of trade routes (1500s1700s) / 8. Internal power struggles (1600s1800s) / 9. Weak sultans (1600s1800s) / 10. World War I defeat (19141918)
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DawnSClark-
The Sykes-Picot Agreement, British and French mandates, and externally imposed borders created fragile states with deep internal divisions. Instead of unity, the region got a checkerboard of sectarian tension, power struggles, and competing foreign interests especially once oil entered the equation.
The empire wasn't perfect no empire is but its absence left a power vacuum that was never meaningfully filled. Many people feel a sense of grief over that loss, especially seeing how the modern nation-state model often failed to bring peace or representation.
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The Sykes-Picot Agreement, British and French mandates, and externally imposed borders created fragile states with deep internal divisions. Instead of unity, the region got a checkerboard of sectarian tension, power struggles, and competing foreign interests especially once oil entered the equation.
The empire wasn't perfect no empire is but its absence left a power vacuum that was never meaningfully filled. Many people feel a sense of grief over that loss, especially seeing how the modern nation-state model often failed to bring peace or representation.
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kalo_yanis
I really didn't expect Turks to be so sensitive about 2 passing mentions of the Armenian genocide.
It's a tragedy that is accepted as historical fact by most international scholars and many nations around the world, as well as the European Parliament.
If anything, TED should have mentioned that half a million Greeks were killed as well. It's not often that a country decides to brutalise its own citizens like this and speaks about the desperation of the empire in its final years. Good thing the Balkan nations split off before this.
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I really didn't expect Turks to be so sensitive about 2 passing mentions of the Armenian genocide.
It's a tragedy that is accepted as historical fact by most international scholars and many nations around the world, as well as the European Parliament.
If anything, TED should have mentioned that half a million Greeks were killed as well. It's not often that a country decides to brutalise its own citizens like this and speaks about the desperation of the empire in its final years. Good thing the Balkan nations split off before this.
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ImtiaazKahan-ly6qb
Such utter misinformation, shocking from TED to be honest
Non-muslims were not paying extra taxes and being prevented from serving in the military, the so-called tax known as Jizyah is actually a protection fee, meaning the non-muslims paid it and if there happened to be a war or an invasion, the muslims being the rulers of the land would fight and protect them, which is quite the noble thing to do if you ask me
So either TEDed edit your video or stop posting misinformation, especially on such a wide scale
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Such utter misinformation, shocking from TED to be honest
Non-muslims were not paying extra taxes and being prevented from serving in the military, the so-called tax known as Jizyah is actually a protection fee, meaning the non-muslims paid it and if there happened to be a war or an invasion, the muslims being the rulers of the land would fight and protect them, which is quite the noble thing to do if you ask me
So either TEDed edit your video or stop posting misinformation, especially on such a wide scale
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ted_ed
Europe stood in awe of the Ottomans who crushed many states and conquered vast territories, going, as all patriotic Turks will proudly point out, all the way to the gates of Vienna. European literature is replete with the depictions of the Turk as the hated enemy. The English often thought of the Turk as awe-inspiring and destructive. Thomas Fuller wrote in The Holy Warre (1639): The Turkish Empire is the greatest. the sun ever saw. .Grass springeth not where the grand signior's horse setteth his foot.
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Europe stood in awe of the Ottomans who crushed many states and conquered vast territories, going, as all patriotic Turks will proudly point out, all the way to the gates of Vienna. European literature is replete with the depictions of the Turk as the hated enemy. The English often thought of the Turk as awe-inspiring and destructive. Thomas Fuller wrote in The Holy Warre (1639): The Turkish Empire is the greatest. the sun ever saw. .Grass springeth not where the grand signior's horse setteth his foot.
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supreame8823
Ottoman Empire was made for us, for people, for public, for justice of us, for fairness. Ofcourse all of the other countries couldn't influence us at all, nor let their capitalism and monarchy devour us, which is why it was a constant/continuous fight of all the sides, just to give a great life to us. Why It was their dream, their purpose. They lived and born for God and died on his name as well.
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Ottoman Empire was made for us, for people, for public, for justice of us, for fairness. Ofcourse all of the other countries couldn't influence us at all, nor let their capitalism and monarchy devour us, which is why it was a constant/continuous fight of all the sides, just to give a great life to us. Why It was their dream, their purpose. They lived and born for God and died on his name as well.
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AA-wm1wy
at 6: 18 you make it seem like the British dealt with many families when the deal was taking place, when in reality they were just dealing with the Hashemites for the most part. since the Hashemites didn't really like the ottomans, the British encouraged them to revolt in exchange for giving Hussein ali ( the leader) all of the Arabian peninsula and Iraq and jordan. which didn't happen.
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at 6: 18 you make it seem like the British dealt with many families when the deal was taking place, when in reality they were just dealing with the Hashemites for the most part. since the Hashemites didn't really like the ottomans, the British encouraged them to revolt in exchange for giving Hussein ali ( the leader) all of the Arabian peninsula and Iraq and jordan. which didn't happen.
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Melih_dgn1
During the conflicts in the early 20th century, particularly around 1915, there were reports that some Armenian armed groups attacked villages and killed civilians, especially in regions where they rebelled against the Ottoman government. These acts of violence contributed to the mutual suffering between communities during a very turbulent time in history.
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During the conflicts in the early 20th century, particularly around 1915, there were reports that some Armenian armed groups attacked villages and killed civilians, especially in regions where they rebelled against the Ottoman government. These acts of violence contributed to the mutual suffering between communities during a very turbulent time in history.
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rudyevans7176
4: 19 As the grandson of an Armenian Pasha, I can tell you this much: even many Armenians themselves don’t fully buy into that narrative. The pain and suffering Armenians have endured (past and present) is real, but let’s be honest, a lot of that came from Europe’s meddling, not just local conflict. So what’s really their issue
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4: 19 As the grandson of an Armenian Pasha, I can tell you this much: even many Armenians themselves don’t fully buy into that narrative. The pain and suffering Armenians have endured (past and present) is real, but let’s be honest, a lot of that came from Europe’s meddling, not just local conflict. So what’s really their issue
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redshift6970
The Armenian genocide is not a genocide. It is a necessity. Armenians cause problems. The Ottomans have always been the leaders of tolerance. The real genocide is currently being carried out by Israel against Palestinians in full view of the world. Also, if you look at the map in the video, there is no place for Israel.
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The Armenian genocide is not a genocide. It is a necessity. Armenians cause problems. The Ottomans have always been the leaders of tolerance. The real genocide is currently being carried out by Israel against Palestinians in full view of the world. Also, if you look at the map in the video, there is no place for Israel.
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muhammadkhan2007
Incorrection at 2. 32, Non muslims paid jizya and were exempted from joining the military, while Muslims paid Zakah and had to join the military in case of war.
In Muslim Spain, when Muslims were not able to protect the jews from the reconquista, they returned the jizya back to the jews. Had to point this out.
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Incorrection at 2. 32, Non muslims paid jizya and were exempted from joining the military, while Muslims paid Zakah and had to join the military in case of war.
In Muslim Spain, when Muslims were not able to protect the jews from the reconquista, they returned the jizya back to the jews. Had to point this out.
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LeenAbdullah-q5u
there's a bit of misinformation here, non Muslim citizens had to pay jizyah, which is, like tax, a percentage of their wealth, the percentage they had to pay was actually a smaller percentage then the one Muslims had to pay for their zakat, meaning charity, which was also a percentage of their wealth, like tax
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there's a bit of misinformation here, non Muslim citizens had to pay jizyah, which is, like tax, a percentage of their wealth, the percentage they had to pay was actually a smaller percentage then the one Muslims had to pay for their zakat, meaning charity, which was also a percentage of their wealth, like tax
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rain2834_
You have explained the deportation of Armenians. But you have not explained the reason. Armenians who started a rebellion in Anatolia and killed Turks were deported. Yes, they did not commit a massacre like they did. If they wanted, they could have killed the Armenians instead of deporting them, but they did not.
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You have explained the deportation of Armenians. But you have not explained the reason. Armenians who started a rebellion in Anatolia and killed Turks were deported. Yes, they did not commit a massacre like they did. If they wanted, they could have killed the Armenians instead of deporting them, but they did not.
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muhammadhadi88
I am made to understand that the Ottoman Empire had produced many great leaders, from Osman I to Suleiman I. But the final leader the Empire produced before it's conclusion was definitely Mustafa Kemal.
Could've included him in the ending imo. But still top notch animation!
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I am made to understand that the Ottoman Empire had produced many great leaders, from Osman I to Suleiman I. But the final leader the Empire produced before it's conclusion was definitely Mustafa Kemal.
Could've included him in the ending imo. But still top notch animation!
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j-aljalal
they went to extreme lengths to explain an entire empire history to mention past genocide while completely ignoring present ones. well done TED-non-ED.
those who're saying arabs are the enemy, they deserve it for being loyal subject for an empire they fought and died for.
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they went to extreme lengths to explain an entire empire history to mention past genocide while completely ignoring present ones. well done TED-non-ED.
those who're saying arabs are the enemy, they deserve it for being loyal subject for an empire they fought and died for.
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