The Crucial Role Of Lord Dowding In Saving Britain The Battle Of Britain Timeline
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Date: 2022-07-19
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Sebastian
Why are we commemorating Dowding? He did not wish to assist our allies the French in the face of the Nazis advance, which is not just cowardice - but it doesn't make any sense! Germany had to go through France to get to us, to put all that we have - apart from the fact it was the right thing to do - into supporting our allies made sense. Reserving our troops instead made it easier for Germany to take France. who knows they may have even been stopped at France? Instead, they gained France, and with it more supplies and useful defensive position to launch an attack on Britain! Dowding was just absolutely wrong! It is this sort of attitude which prevails to do, of people just looking after their own, which is why there are million innocent dead in Syria who were just fighting for their freedom 'and' very nearly won, but Assad when Damascus was on the verge of falling pleaded for the help of Putin! Putin did 'exactly' what we should have done, but instead joined on the side of Assad - the enemy of democracy - who then went onto to slaughter, even more than he had before the Syrian people.
People look back at this and 'think' what heroes we were. well if we were heroes then, we are 'utter' cowards now who stood aside while Assad and Putin dropped napalm on children in their schools in Syria and burnt them screaming to death. If you don't learn the lessons of history, you are doomed to repeat them.
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Why are we commemorating Dowding? He did not wish to assist our allies the French in the face of the Nazis advance, which is not just cowardice - but it doesn't make any sense! Germany had to go through France to get to us, to put all that we have - apart from the fact it was the right thing to do - into supporting our allies made sense. Reserving our troops instead made it easier for Germany to take France. who knows they may have even been stopped at France? Instead, they gained France, and with it more supplies and useful defensive position to launch an attack on Britain! Dowding was just absolutely wrong! It is this sort of attitude which prevails to do, of people just looking after their own, which is why there are million innocent dead in Syria who were just fighting for their freedom 'and' very nearly won, but Assad when Damascus was on the verge of falling pleaded for the help of Putin! Putin did 'exactly' what we should have done, but instead joined on the side of Assad - the enemy of democracy - who then went onto to slaughter, even more than he had before the Syrian people.
People look back at this and 'think' what heroes we were. well if we were heroes then, we are 'utter' cowards now who stood aside while Assad and Putin dropped napalm on children in their schools in Syria and burnt them screaming to death. If you don't learn the lessons of history, you are doomed to repeat them.
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Michael
That statue should be on a plinth in Trafalgar Square. He was probably our greatest ever military leader and thinker. His vision and planning started in the early 30's through to the end of the battle. During the battle he and Park would ignore small incursions of two or three fighters saving their resources for larger numbers who could do real damage. A very cool man. Leigh Mallory was better suited to peacetime command being ambitious with no vision of his own and his inability to see the flaws in his idea. The big wing was doable in 12 group as they had more time to assemble so Dowding accommodated him on that although probably found it tiresome, but it was no use to 11 group.
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That statue should be on a plinth in Trafalgar Square. He was probably our greatest ever military leader and thinker. His vision and planning started in the early 30's through to the end of the battle. During the battle he and Park would ignore small incursions of two or three fighters saving their resources for larger numbers who could do real damage. A very cool man. Leigh Mallory was better suited to peacetime command being ambitious with no vision of his own and his inability to see the flaws in his idea. The big wing was doable in 12 group as they had more time to assemble so Dowding accommodated him on that although probably found it tiresome, but it was no use to 11 group.
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James
Now it's time to segue into the story of Reginald Mitchell, chief aircraft designer at Supermarine Aviation in Britain. With no government help, no government permission; and not a damn word of encouragement from the RAF, decided, on his own, to design, perfect and make sure that the finest fighter plane of the Battle Of Britain was ready and available for when the time came for it's need: The Supermarine Spitfire.
Mitchell died before ever seeing what a successful aircraft he had created. He also didn't give a damn what the stuffed-shirts thought: he did what he knew he had to do.
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Now it's time to segue into the story of Reginald Mitchell, chief aircraft designer at Supermarine Aviation in Britain. With no government help, no government permission; and not a damn word of encouragement from the RAF, decided, on his own, to design, perfect and make sure that the finest fighter plane of the Battle Of Britain was ready and available for when the time came for it's need: The Supermarine Spitfire.
Mitchell died before ever seeing what a successful aircraft he had created. He also didn't give a damn what the stuffed-shirts thought: he did what he knew he had to do.
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Kim
There Should be Statues of Dowding all over the British Commonwealth.
He Gave a Damn about the Young Men under his Command. ( from all over the World)
His Work was ignored by the Upper Class Brass, because he Rubbed them up the Wrong way!
He Should've been Treated better. After the War very Few knew his Name, let alone the Role he played.
Just my Opioion, someone will Obviously Disagree. That being the Way of the World, on Line at least!
Cheers All.
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There Should be Statues of Dowding all over the British Commonwealth.
He Gave a Damn about the Young Men under his Command. ( from all over the World)
His Work was ignored by the Upper Class Brass, because he Rubbed them up the Wrong way!
He Should've been Treated better. After the War very Few knew his Name, let alone the Role he played.
Just my Opioion, someone will Obviously Disagree. That being the Way of the World, on Line at least!
Cheers All.
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education
Thank you to the bravest and brightest of england for you're sacrifices, I can now experience the glory of multiculturalism and diversity which in a very short time will make me a very special minority in my home country of England and if I'm lucky my daughters will grow up in a majority muslim society under sharia law, I can't imagine what would have happened if germany won, we'd be all homogenous and proud nationalists with no usury banking system, yuck.
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Thank you to the bravest and brightest of england for you're sacrifices, I can now experience the glory of multiculturalism and diversity which in a very short time will make me a very special minority in my home country of England and if I'm lucky my daughters will grow up in a majority muslim society under sharia law, I can't imagine what would have happened if germany won, we'd be all homogenous and proud nationalists with no usury banking system, yuck.
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William
I don't mean to undermine the bravery of British and other (e. g. polish, Czech) flyers in 1940. The Battle of Britain was a victory. But suppose the British had essentially lost, leaving virtually no air force. People assume the next step was invasion. I doubt that, and I doubt it would have succeeded if it did occur. More likely to me seems the UK would have been anemic in the air and even less able to defend resources in Egypt, the middle east, etc.
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I don't mean to undermine the bravery of British and other (e. g. polish, Czech) flyers in 1940. The Battle of Britain was a victory. But suppose the British had essentially lost, leaving virtually no air force. People assume the next step was invasion. I doubt that, and I doubt it would have succeeded if it did occur. More likely to me seems the UK would have been anemic in the air and even less able to defend resources in Egypt, the middle east, etc.
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Carole
I joined up in '71. We were taught the history of the RAF. Lord Dowding was foremost amongst those we learnt about concerning the Battle of Britain.
As Air Trafficers we served alongside
SNCO's and WO's who had been pilots in the Battle of Britain. They had remained in the RAF and after flying ended for them, they became Air Traffic Controllers. We respected those guys. They'd forgotten more than we ever knew.
Per Adua Ad Astra!
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I joined up in '71. We were taught the history of the RAF. Lord Dowding was foremost amongst those we learnt about concerning the Battle of Britain.
As Air Trafficers we served alongside
SNCO's and WO's who had been pilots in the Battle of Britain. They had remained in the RAF and after flying ended for them, they became Air Traffic Controllers. We respected those guys. They'd forgotten more than we ever knew.
Per Adua Ad Astra!
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Dennis
I had an experience like Dowding when a patient came to me as I was home getting ready for bed. He walked up to me dressed in exactly what I had settled him in and said: Thank you and I was so awe-struck I could only think to say: Your welcome. He then walked toward the window and dematerialized into the drapes. The next morning the nursing home phoned and said he had died five minutes before all this took place! God's truth, I swear.
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I had an experience like Dowding when a patient came to me as I was home getting ready for bed. He walked up to me dressed in exactly what I had settled him in and said: Thank you and I was so awe-struck I could only think to say: Your welcome. He then walked toward the window and dematerialized into the drapes. The next morning the nursing home phoned and said he had died five minutes before all this took place! God's truth, I swear.
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John
Dowdings Appraisal on supplying Spitfires to France was correct and the government would not reject the advise of its Senior military adviser.
Lord Gorts refusal to follow the governments instruction to withdraw South West in line with the French army saved the troops of the BEF.
Both men took the correct military decision and where persecuted by the Brit government.
John
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Dowdings Appraisal on supplying Spitfires to France was correct and the government would not reject the advise of its Senior military adviser.
Lord Gorts refusal to follow the governments instruction to withdraw South West in line with the French army saved the troops of the BEF.
Both men took the correct military decision and where persecuted by the Brit government.
John
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Terry
I wish he was in charge of guarding our shores now, may be the immigrants would think twice before setting off, after all it is another invasion isn't it. Can anybody explain why our lads died for the situation we are in now? Do you not think we should have joined the German forces? If so we wouldn't have the mess we are in now.
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I wish he was in charge of guarding our shores now, may be the immigrants would think twice before setting off, after all it is another invasion isn't it. Can anybody explain why our lads died for the situation we are in now? Do you not think we should have joined the German forces? If so we wouldn't have the mess we are in now.
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Jim
With all due respect to 'Stuffy Dowding, let us not forget the OTHER Scot who helped save the UK during the time of the Battle of Britain & after i. e. Sir Robert Alexander Watson Watt KCB FRS FRAeS ( 13 APRIL 1892 - 5 DECEMBER 1973N ) by his invention of RDF / RADAR.
Born in my home CITY of BRECHIN, ANGUS, SCOTLAND
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With all due respect to 'Stuffy Dowding, let us not forget the OTHER Scot who helped save the UK during the time of the Battle of Britain & after i. e. Sir Robert Alexander Watson Watt KCB FRS FRAeS ( 13 APRIL 1892 - 5 DECEMBER 1973N ) by his invention of RDF / RADAR.
Born in my home CITY of BRECHIN, ANGUS, SCOTLAND
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Brian
Sadly, the decisions that sent personel unessesarily to their deaths were made by people in their military ivory towers 1000's of miles away, who had no idea whatsoever what was going on on the rear offensive, let alone front lines. Take Singapore for instance, but that, as we know, is another sad story.
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Sadly, the decisions that sent personel unessesarily to their deaths were made by people in their military ivory towers 1000's of miles away, who had no idea whatsoever what was going on on the rear offensive, let alone front lines. Take Singapore for instance, but that, as we know, is another sad story.
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Mike
The narrow margin in 1940 was made narrower by an action of our French former allies. Luftwaffe prisoners from the Battle of France [1000+] were not shipped overseas and out of the war, but returned to the Luftwaffe when France capitulated. We can still see such things today. ..
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The narrow margin in 1940 was made narrower by an action of our French former allies. Luftwaffe prisoners from the Battle of France [1000+] were not shipped overseas and out of the war, but returned to the Luftwaffe when France capitulated. We can still see such things today. ..
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Richard
its so disappointing when a history program uses movie images rather than actual coverage.
I understamd this is probabley due to rarity and quality, but future generations will take these images as actual ww2 coverage and the errors in the movie will become lost.
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its so disappointing when a history program uses movie images rather than actual coverage.
I understamd this is probabley due to rarity and quality, but future generations will take these images as actual ww2 coverage and the errors in the movie will become lost.
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John
It would be very interesting to know how the RAFVR came into being, and Dowding's role in it. Reciprocally, how much of the Luftwaffe's failure was due to the attrition of its pilots? Was there a class bias towards the nobility, in the recruiting of pilot trainees?
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It would be very interesting to know how the RAFVR came into being, and Dowding's role in it. Reciprocally, how much of the Luftwaffe's failure was due to the attrition of its pilots? Was there a class bias towards the nobility, in the recruiting of pilot trainees?
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COL
Dowding was batshit crazy - having visual and aural hallucinations - during the Battle. From the Daily Mail Remarkable letter written by Battle of Britain mastermind Sir Hugh Dowding in 1943 reveals he believed he could communicate with ghosts of dead pilots
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Dowding was batshit crazy - having visual and aural hallucinations - during the Battle. From the Daily Mail Remarkable letter written by Battle of Britain mastermind Sir Hugh Dowding in 1943 reveals he believed he could communicate with ghosts of dead pilots
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Mark
Excellent documentary.
A thoroughly competent leader who had amply demonstrated his abilities was subsequently brought down by the petty jealousy and naked ambition of mediocrities. That is a far too common theme throughout history.
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Excellent documentary.
A thoroughly competent leader who had amply demonstrated his abilities was subsequently brought down by the petty jealousy and naked ambition of mediocrities. That is a far too common theme throughout history.
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MondoBeno
The RAF only suffered in the Battle for France because the brass kept them on the ground, and the Hurricanes were not as good as the German fighters. Once the Spitfires were in the air, the Luftwaffe had a run for their money.
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The RAF only suffered in the Battle for France because the brass kept them on the ground, and the Hurricanes were not as good as the German fighters. Once the Spitfires were in the air, the Luftwaffe had a run for their money.
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dennis
I always thought he was brilliant at conserving his resources and winning his part of the Battle of Britain. I was surprised he was replaced. Shameful. Glad his memory is being better remembered now.
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I always thought he was brilliant at conserving his resources and winning his part of the Battle of Britain. I was surprised he was replaced. Shameful. Glad his memory is being better remembered now.
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C.
The bureaucracy is sure to doom the possible victories of the troops, airmen and sailors. Britian won because of a few who did the right thing against the bureaucracy. Thanks to Lord Dowding for that!
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The bureaucracy is sure to doom the possible victories of the troops, airmen and sailors. Britian won because of a few who did the right thing against the bureaucracy. Thanks to Lord Dowding for that!
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