What If We Built a Stanford Torus?
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Date: 2023-11-26
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nightlightabcd
No, this is NOT the next generation space station, which is the Gateway Project, which is a wasteful scam loaded up with politics as a job program at US expense, There are no plans by anyone for a rotating space station! Except maybe the Gateway Foundation, which basically has no plans for obtaining the funding needed, other than a lottery, which was DOA!
They wanted to bulld two of them, one with the gravity of Mars and then the other with one -G- gravity, which both would cost trillions, with no real funding and obviously not thought through! On the other hand, Elon Musk wants to build a million people city on Mars, which is also nuts! But Musk does get a bit out of touch from reality from time to time, like when he called the cave rescuer a gay person, for no other reason than they rejected Elon's concept of a rescue vehicle, which would not have worked because some of the spaces were way too small to get any kind of vehicle through! And he is based in Texas, the most treasonous anti-America state in the union, which threatened to secede when Obama was elected, but then supported treasopnous criminal Psycho Don.
Texas should not only have been allowed to secede. but should have been ejected from the union! Just think how much better the US would be without treason supporting, fascist anti-America Texas! Texas, along with some other treason supporting anti-American states, votes should not be allowed to secede from the union but forced out and walled up, since Texas has clearly shown to be hostile to this country. and the Republican party should be abolished and their leaders charged with aiding and abetting sedition and treason, and the leadrers, starting with treasonous Psycho Don, should be charged with aiding and abetting sedition and treason against the US from within! Texas and Georgia should be ejected from the US and maybe a few others as well and their leaders and their Republican party also charged with aiding and abetting sedition and treason against the US and dealt with accordingly!
What is the pinility for aiding and abetting sedition and treason? What did the allies do with the NAZI leaders after the war? Did the allies after the war, let the NAZI's spew out more of their fascist lies and spin? NO! Did we let the NAzI's run for public office? NO! What did the allies do with the fascist NAZI's and their propagandist? That's what the US should do now and stomp out this fascism now and hold the Republicans accountable!
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No, this is NOT the next generation space station, which is the Gateway Project, which is a wasteful scam loaded up with politics as a job program at US expense, There are no plans by anyone for a rotating space station! Except maybe the Gateway Foundation, which basically has no plans for obtaining the funding needed, other than a lottery, which was DOA!
They wanted to bulld two of them, one with the gravity of Mars and then the other with one -G- gravity, which both would cost trillions, with no real funding and obviously not thought through! On the other hand, Elon Musk wants to build a million people city on Mars, which is also nuts! But Musk does get a bit out of touch from reality from time to time, like when he called the cave rescuer a gay person, for no other reason than they rejected Elon's concept of a rescue vehicle, which would not have worked because some of the spaces were way too small to get any kind of vehicle through! And he is based in Texas, the most treasonous anti-America state in the union, which threatened to secede when Obama was elected, but then supported treasopnous criminal Psycho Don.
Texas should not only have been allowed to secede. but should have been ejected from the union! Just think how much better the US would be without treason supporting, fascist anti-America Texas! Texas, along with some other treason supporting anti-American states, votes should not be allowed to secede from the union but forced out and walled up, since Texas has clearly shown to be hostile to this country. and the Republican party should be abolished and their leaders charged with aiding and abetting sedition and treason, and the leadrers, starting with treasonous Psycho Don, should be charged with aiding and abetting sedition and treason against the US from within! Texas and Georgia should be ejected from the US and maybe a few others as well and their leaders and their Republican party also charged with aiding and abetting sedition and treason against the US and dealt with accordingly!
What is the pinility for aiding and abetting sedition and treason? What did the allies do with the NAZI leaders after the war? Did the allies after the war, let the NAZI's spew out more of their fascist lies and spin? NO! Did we let the NAzI's run for public office? NO! What did the allies do with the fascist NAZI's and their propagandist? That's what the US should do now and stomp out this fascism now and hold the Republicans accountable!
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Michael
10, 000 people? Let's do some math.
A stanford torus that rotates slowly enough not to set your inner ears into full berserk mode needs to have a radius just under 1 kilometer, but let's use 1 kilometer to ease calculations. The 1 g deck would have a circumference of 6. 28 kilometers. Assuming the deck is 50 meters wide that gives us 31. 4 square kilometers of living space on just one deck. The population density of New York is 11, 313 per square kilometer. It takes around 5. 5 acres of farmland to support a person, so 0. 0222577 in square kilometers - let's just ceil that up to 0. 03. Each farm deck can support 1, 047 people. If each deck is 10 meters tall then -gravity- will increase by one hundredth of a g, becoming noticeable after 10 decks. So 10, 470 is possible in this arrangement.
So yeah, not too far off.
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10, 000 people? Let's do some math.
A stanford torus that rotates slowly enough not to set your inner ears into full berserk mode needs to have a radius just under 1 kilometer, but let's use 1 kilometer to ease calculations. The 1 g deck would have a circumference of 6. 28 kilometers. Assuming the deck is 50 meters wide that gives us 31. 4 square kilometers of living space on just one deck. The population density of New York is 11, 313 per square kilometer. It takes around 5. 5 acres of farmland to support a person, so 0. 0222577 in square kilometers - let's just ceil that up to 0. 03. Each farm deck can support 1, 047 people. If each deck is 10 meters tall then -gravity- will increase by one hundredth of a g, becoming noticeable after 10 decks. So 10, 470 is possible in this arrangement.
So yeah, not too far off.
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John
I assume there were copyright issues preventing you from using or staying reasonably close to the NASA images, which were actually realistic and achievable.
The cartoon-ish graphic are painful. About as bad as the happy hippy voice-over.
Where did the number of $900 billion come from? Somebody bent over & pulled it out from where the sun doesn't shine. NASA Ames and Stanford disagree.
BTW, our annual DoD budget today is about 80% of that, not counting -black- military cost or ongoing military operational costs, which aren't voted on.
As for living long-term at Mars, we'd build a Stanford Torus hab in Mars orbit.
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I assume there were copyright issues preventing you from using or staying reasonably close to the NASA images, which were actually realistic and achievable.
The cartoon-ish graphic are painful. About as bad as the happy hippy voice-over.
Where did the number of $900 billion come from? Somebody bent over & pulled it out from where the sun doesn't shine. NASA Ames and Stanford disagree.
BTW, our annual DoD budget today is about 80% of that, not counting -black- military cost or ongoing military operational costs, which aren't voted on.
As for living long-term at Mars, we'd build a Stanford Torus hab in Mars orbit.
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John
The biggest thing this misses is that the difference between it and other S. F. megastructures in space, is that this is possible entirely with known (1970s) technology.
Note that by the time the first habitat is done (for the workers, for as long as they're up there, not necessarily for life, we're mining the Moon or better then NEAs, and such questions of -cost- or -money- are irrelevant.
This ends scarcity of energy or materials on Earth, ends scarcity of things like previously rare or -precious- metals. This ends heavy, primary acquisitive, polluting industries on Earth.
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The biggest thing this misses is that the difference between it and other S. F. megastructures in space, is that this is possible entirely with known (1970s) technology.
Note that by the time the first habitat is done (for the workers, for as long as they're up there, not necessarily for life, we're mining the Moon or better then NEAs, and such questions of -cost- or -money- are irrelevant.
This ends scarcity of energy or materials on Earth, ends scarcity of things like previously rare or -precious- metals. This ends heavy, primary acquisitive, polluting industries on Earth.
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Jonathan
You are aware that if we humANHNS stopped all possible pollution, the cilimate would still change, yes? In fact, if there were no humAHNS, the climate would still change. IF there were no cars, trains, or fossil fuels being burnt, the climate would still change. In fact, the climate has been changing on earth for millions of years, long before we humAHNS were here, its been changing since day 1. Climate change isnt exclusivley linked to humAHNS irresponsibility.
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You are aware that if we humANHNS stopped all possible pollution, the cilimate would still change, yes? In fact, if there were no humAHNS, the climate would still change. IF there were no cars, trains, or fossil fuels being burnt, the climate would still change. In fact, the climate has been changing on earth for millions of years, long before we humAHNS were here, its been changing since day 1. Climate change isnt exclusivley linked to humAHNS irresponsibility.
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mergingbutterfly
Here's a funny thought Why don't we just clean up The earth learn to love and respect our world be kinder to people And take care of our home and I don't know maybe just stay here. Use that billions of dollar they gonna collect from investors to don't know healed the world I mean I'm no scientist but I would think if you can build a whole new world you should be able to heal an existing world but I don't know that's kind of crazy
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Here's a funny thought Why don't we just clean up The earth learn to love and respect our world be kinder to people And take care of our home and I don't know maybe just stay here. Use that billions of dollar they gonna collect from investors to don't know healed the world I mean I'm no scientist but I would think if you can build a whole new world you should be able to heal an existing world but I don't know that's kind of crazy
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Don't
Two Words to put the kibosh on this whole thing: Solar. Radiation.
Until we develop some radiation shielding that vastly exceeds what we currently use today on the ISS and other spacecraft, the idea of spending years outside of earth's protective atmosphere is a pipe-dream at best and an agonizing, cancer-ridden, death at worst. even still, I would count myself blessed to see the dream achieved
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Two Words to put the kibosh on this whole thing: Solar. Radiation.
Until we develop some radiation shielding that vastly exceeds what we currently use today on the ISS and other spacecraft, the idea of spending years outside of earth's protective atmosphere is a pipe-dream at best and an agonizing, cancer-ridden, death at worst. even still, I would count myself blessed to see the dream achieved
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Trigger444
(4: 13) 900 Billion for a Ford Taurus, are you insane? Actually though, the US govt spends a lot more than that every year, so I'd call that a bargain. Also, the only people getting off-world into an awesome space station are the 0. 01% that have valuable skills, wealth, power and influence. It won't be so wonderful or exciting for the rest of us 99. 99% of plebs.
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(4: 13) 900 Billion for a Ford Taurus, are you insane? Actually though, the US govt spends a lot more than that every year, so I'd call that a bargain. Also, the only people getting off-world into an awesome space station are the 0. 01% that have valuable skills, wealth, power and influence. It won't be so wonderful or exciting for the rest of us 99. 99% of plebs.
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Jason
stop trying to make solar lasers from space happen. they aren't feasible with modern technology and not even if we had exponentially more laser strength, size, and range capability. and by that point we could probably figure out something better. besides, the sun is right there. it really is. use it.
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stop trying to make solar lasers from space happen. they aren't feasible with modern technology and not even if we had exponentially more laser strength, size, and range capability. and by that point we could probably figure out something better. besides, the sun is right there. it really is. use it.
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VRtechman
Growing up on a Standford Torus would so hard on young people! So much that sending them to private schools on the Moon or Earth might be more necessary!
There would be less crime that way. But everyone must have a job in space. So poor kids may be forced to go back to Earth! -
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Growing up on a Standford Torus would so hard on young people! So much that sending them to private schools on the Moon or Earth might be more necessary!
There would be less crime that way. But everyone must have a job in space. So poor kids may be forced to go back to Earth! -
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Craig
There are only two good reasons to build a space station: to have a shirtsleeve, microgravity environment in which to perform experiments, or for habitation. A Stanford torus that could house only ten thousand would be useless for either of those goals.
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There are only two good reasons to build a space station: to have a shirtsleeve, microgravity environment in which to perform experiments, or for habitation. A Stanford torus that could house only ten thousand would be useless for either of those goals.
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Marc
How about building a Stanford torus around the earth that shares the earth's atmosphere with itself by building it like a stretching scalfold, to the station is built on earth but stretches itself into earth orbit
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How about building a Stanford torus around the earth that shares the earth's atmosphere with itself by building it like a stretching scalfold, to the station is built on earth but stretches itself into earth orbit
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Zembassi8
-ELYSIUM- (the 2013 dystopian sci-fi action film starring Matt Damon) brought me here. In fact, NASA had planned as far back as 1975 to start construction of this structure sometime in the future.
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-ELYSIUM- (the 2013 dystopian sci-fi action film starring Matt Damon) brought me here. In fact, NASA had planned as far back as 1975 to start construction of this structure sometime in the future.
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D1AM0ND
What im confused about is that you show the inside of the cylinder with houses all around it but centrifugal force would only allow the furthest interior side from the centre to have gravity.
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What im confused about is that you show the inside of the cylinder with houses all around it but centrifugal force would only allow the furthest interior side from the centre to have gravity.
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brookestephen
what you really need is rotation-stabilized habitats that can leave the Earth-Moon system, navigate through the solar system and enter orbit of another planetary system.
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what you really need is rotation-stabilized habitats that can leave the Earth-Moon system, navigate through the solar system and enter orbit of another planetary system.
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BelowAverageLuke
$900B is nothing compared to the amount of money that Congress pays for each stimulus package.
The last one was what, $1. 9T?
The cylinder is possible.
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$900B is nothing compared to the amount of money that Congress pays for each stimulus package.
The last one was what, $1. 9T?
The cylinder is possible.
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Benji
to build a stanford torus it would be great it is an advance for humanity and for the trips to mars but I think we are late it is an odcion that has to be started
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to build a stanford torus it would be great it is an advance for humanity and for the trips to mars but I think we are late it is an odcion that has to be started
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sluggo3slug
The Fossil Fuel scare mongering is shutting down every sensible discussion. Brain washed material here but I do like the idea of oneill cylinders etc
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The Fossil Fuel scare mongering is shutting down every sensible discussion. Brain washed material here but I do like the idea of oneill cylinders etc
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Daemon
2: 11 I'm confused by that Interior Shot, it looked more like an O'Neil cylinder. Wouldn't the living surface of a Stanford Torus just be along one plane?
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2: 11 I'm confused by that Interior Shot, it looked more like an O'Neil cylinder. Wouldn't the living surface of a Stanford Torus just be along one plane?
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brookestephen
Current tech can build a space elevator on the moon, from say the poles to close to L1. That might be the best place to build this habitable torus.
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Current tech can build a space elevator on the moon, from say the poles to close to L1. That might be the best place to build this habitable torus.
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Prerna
As amazing as it sounds, sadly, it won't be possible to make it a reality at least until a few thousand years.
Nevertheless, great video as always!
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As amazing as it sounds, sadly, it won't be possible to make it a reality at least until a few thousand years.
Nevertheless, great video as always!
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beautifulsmall
unrealistic rendering of the inside with full habited 360 perpenducular to rotation, you would need magnetic shoes to walk on the inner half.
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unrealistic rendering of the inside with full habited 360 perpenducular to rotation, you would need magnetic shoes to walk on the inner half.
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domsau2
Long cylinder do not have stable rotations on the long axe.
We need to separate small elements with partitions, for obvious security reasons.
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Long cylinder do not have stable rotations on the long axe.
We need to separate small elements with partitions, for obvious security reasons.
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bamboomiracle33
This is encouraging - thank you for this reminder - yes, he may be scheming to kill me again - the murdering genes in him.
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This is encouraging - thank you for this reminder - yes, he may be scheming to kill me again - the murdering genes in him.
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XxA_OxX
If humans are going to build something that big, we'd be better building a massive space ship, and become intergalactic nomads.
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If humans are going to build something that big, we'd be better building a massive space ship, and become intergalactic nomads.
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Jj
Now, this is a reasonable megastructure, perfectly within our technological limits and with great possible investment returns.
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Now, this is a reasonable megastructure, perfectly within our technological limits and with great possible investment returns.
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Locus
so, the stanford taurus is the boot that will kick us into being a interplanetary civilization, while also being a crutch.
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so, the stanford taurus is the boot that will kick us into being a interplanetary civilization, while also being a crutch.
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Edward
-Living in a torus would be like living in a small town. - What? looks more like a freaking golf courrse lol
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-Living in a torus would be like living in a small town. - What? looks more like a freaking golf courrse lol
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