Biomedical Scientist Answers Pseudoscience Questions From Twitter - Tech Support - WIRED
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Date: 2024-05-29
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th0rne_999
As the son of an esoteric mother, who is big into alternative medicines, pseudo-science and anti-vax, it's been challenging to set boundaries with her. As her child I've learned I can't really confide in her or accept her help without her pushing these ideas on me. And then she gets frustrated and tells me 'I don't accept help' or 'never try things'. I get it, cause in her eyes she is helping. But it isn't that I don't accept help or try things, but that I just don't want what she is suggesting or trying to push onto me. It's frustrating.
And when you're already struggling, it's hard to then have to stand up for yourself against your own family too, while trying to respect their own values too.
Idk if anyone can relate or not, but if you are, you're not alone. See the human in them, but also draw boundaries and stand up for yourself.
If they love you and you love and respect them despite your differences, they will respect your boundaries too, even if it takes some time.
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Also, somewhat unrelated, but I was surprised at her impressive pronunciation of a German name here! Granted, it doesn't use some of the trickier sounds for English speakers, but still!
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As the son of an esoteric mother, who is big into alternative medicines, pseudo-science and anti-vax, it's been challenging to set boundaries with her. As her child I've learned I can't really confide in her or accept her help without her pushing these ideas on me. And then she gets frustrated and tells me 'I don't accept help' or 'never try things'. I get it, cause in her eyes she is helping. But it isn't that I don't accept help or try things, but that I just don't want what she is suggesting or trying to push onto me. It's frustrating.
And when you're already struggling, it's hard to then have to stand up for yourself against your own family too, while trying to respect their own values too.
Idk if anyone can relate or not, but if you are, you're not alone. See the human in them, but also draw boundaries and stand up for yourself.
If they love you and you love and respect them despite your differences, they will respect your boundaries too, even if it takes some time.
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Also, somewhat unrelated, but I was surprised at her impressive pronunciation of a German name here! Granted, it doesn't use some of the trickier sounds for English speakers, but still!
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robingray5037
If it weren't for Chiropractics, I would be on permanent disability and have rods in my neck (this is after seeing 2 orthopedic surgeons for treatment options.
All of the Chiropractors I've had treat me have had traditional medical school training, just like all regular doctors, then had chiropractic training after that.
The Chiropractor that helped me with my neck problems had been a surgical nurse. She got tired of seeing people have healthy gall bladders removed, but their problems persisted after surgery. She found this alternative method. She also insisted on X-rays before treating a patient. While I worked for her, there were 2 occasions in which she saw the x-rays and wouldn't touch the patient. She instead referred them for second opinions to regular medical doctors, because there was a tumor near the spine.
Yes, there are bad doctors in every discipline, and chiropractics has its share. But there are good doctors, too.
FYI: Chiropratics has its origins in pre-Communist China.
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If it weren't for Chiropractics, I would be on permanent disability and have rods in my neck (this is after seeing 2 orthopedic surgeons for treatment options.
All of the Chiropractors I've had treat me have had traditional medical school training, just like all regular doctors, then had chiropractic training after that.
The Chiropractor that helped me with my neck problems had been a surgical nurse. She got tired of seeing people have healthy gall bladders removed, but their problems persisted after surgery. She found this alternative method. She also insisted on X-rays before treating a patient. While I worked for her, there were 2 occasions in which she saw the x-rays and wouldn't touch the patient. She instead referred them for second opinions to regular medical doctors, because there was a tumor near the spine.
Yes, there are bad doctors in every discipline, and chiropractics has its share. But there are good doctors, too.
FYI: Chiropratics has its origins in pre-Communist China.
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floz9718
[. ] that there is no relationship between vaccines and autism - that's not a scientific statement, you cannot prove a negative. It could very well be possible that there is a connection and we just couldn't discover/prove it yet. It's very, very unlikely after 60 years of course but we cannot be a 100% sure. I'm not anti vaccination by any means but it's exactly statements like this that can lead to an erosion of the trust in science.
That was the big problem during the pandemic, scientist shouldn't patronize the general public by thinking they have to state everything as hard facts where there is no doubt whatsoever or otherwise people would come to the (in their eyes) wrong conclusion. I agree in that yes, the sad reality is that the genereal public is - how should I put this politely - not exactly well educated nor equipped with the ability to perform critical thinking. Nevertheless, you cannot patronize people otherwise you will loose their trust.
Still a helpful video in general.
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[. ] that there is no relationship between vaccines and autism - that's not a scientific statement, you cannot prove a negative. It could very well be possible that there is a connection and we just couldn't discover/prove it yet. It's very, very unlikely after 60 years of course but we cannot be a 100% sure. I'm not anti vaccination by any means but it's exactly statements like this that can lead to an erosion of the trust in science.
That was the big problem during the pandemic, scientist shouldn't patronize the general public by thinking they have to state everything as hard facts where there is no doubt whatsoever or otherwise people would come to the (in their eyes) wrong conclusion. I agree in that yes, the sad reality is that the genereal public is - how should I put this politely - not exactly well educated nor equipped with the ability to perform critical thinking. Nevertheless, you cannot patronize people otherwise you will loose their trust.
Still a helpful video in general.
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GTaichou
I'm not going to say that all chiropractic care is good - there's a LOT of wackjobs out there, which is why I always search for a chiro that also practices sports medicine AT LEAST - but I will say that between my massage therapist and chiro, I received actually helpful care for my upper back, neck, and a nerve injury that doctors just shrugged and gave me pain meds for. THEY were the ones that found my C2 was out, and after slipping it back in place, issues I'd been dealing with for YEARS cleared up in two days.
This is all to say - if you choose to seek chiro care, question them and be choosy. Definitely advocate for the care you need.
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I'm not going to say that all chiropractic care is good - there's a LOT of wackjobs out there, which is why I always search for a chiro that also practices sports medicine AT LEAST - but I will say that between my massage therapist and chiro, I received actually helpful care for my upper back, neck, and a nerve injury that doctors just shrugged and gave me pain meds for. THEY were the ones that found my C2 was out, and after slipping it back in place, issues I'd been dealing with for YEARS cleared up in two days.
This is all to say - if you choose to seek chiro care, question them and be choosy. Definitely advocate for the care you need.
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EelcoPeterzen
Homeopathy was very successful when Hahnemann invented it, not because of what homeopathy does, but for what it does not. In that time, a lot of remedies for ailments contained things like bloodletting or leeches. Hahnemann thought that in order to heal the patient, we shouldn't damage the patient any further. And so homeopathy became a good form of medicine, because it just let the body itself fight the ailment, instead of making it worse. Of course, the homeopathic supplements themselves didn't really do much. And these days we have far, far better medicine and practices in regular health care.
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Homeopathy was very successful when Hahnemann invented it, not because of what homeopathy does, but for what it does not. In that time, a lot of remedies for ailments contained things like bloodletting or leeches. Hahnemann thought that in order to heal the patient, we shouldn't damage the patient any further. And so homeopathy became a good form of medicine, because it just let the body itself fight the ailment, instead of making it worse. Of course, the homeopathic supplements themselves didn't really do much. And these days we have far, far better medicine and practices in regular health care.
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NoClueHonestly
Conspiracy theorists/Big Pharma fearmongerers are so funny because they're 100% the kids who grew up struggling to understand anything taught to them in school and then they later on conclude it's because the world is out to get them and they're the only ones smart enough to realize it. Mix lack of intelligence with the craving for relevance and feeling of importance and you have a gullible idiot willing to listen to anything that makes them feel smart and better than the people who used to be way ahead of them all their life. Hint: it's not the world. You're just dumb lol
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Conspiracy theorists/Big Pharma fearmongerers are so funny because they're 100% the kids who grew up struggling to understand anything taught to them in school and then they later on conclude it's because the world is out to get them and they're the only ones smart enough to realize it. Mix lack of intelligence with the craving for relevance and feeling of importance and you have a gullible idiot willing to listen to anything that makes them feel smart and better than the people who used to be way ahead of them all their life. Hint: it's not the world. You're just dumb lol
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autumnmoonfire3944
So when my children were small we used fluoride supplements and treatments prescribed by the pediatrician and the dentist at doses meant for people without fluoridated water and fluoride toothpaste. I didn’t want the discolored teeth issue, when they were older and less likely to eat the toothpaste wholesale we dropped the supplements and moved on to fluoride toothpaste. They still got the dentists fluoride treatments. This has worked well for us. When it comes to childhood tooth decay parents need to be more diligent about candy and tooth brushing at bedtime.
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So when my children were small we used fluoride supplements and treatments prescribed by the pediatrician and the dentist at doses meant for people without fluoridated water and fluoride toothpaste. I didn’t want the discolored teeth issue, when they were older and less likely to eat the toothpaste wholesale we dropped the supplements and moved on to fluoride toothpaste. They still got the dentists fluoride treatments. This has worked well for us. When it comes to childhood tooth decay parents need to be more diligent about candy and tooth brushing at bedtime.
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ScrotN
One thing more thing about the peer review paper reliability that everyone should know is that relying on peer review is just not enough. There are times where a peer review journal has a paper with lots of bogus claims or give data that are slightly true(cherry picking) but overall false.
Some people learned about peer review papers and start buying tons of peer reviewed papers just to end up not reading them.
What you need is not just peer review paper, what you also need is scientific knowledge in that field to read any scientific paper.
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One thing more thing about the peer review paper reliability that everyone should know is that relying on peer review is just not enough. There are times where a peer review journal has a paper with lots of bogus claims or give data that are slightly true(cherry picking) but overall false.
Some people learned about peer review papers and start buying tons of peer reviewed papers just to end up not reading them.
What you need is not just peer review paper, what you also need is scientific knowledge in that field to read any scientific paper.
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Otto-W
I had a coworker that believed the world was flat. I asked if he ever watched debunking the flat earth theory He said those guys are crazy he knows the earth is flat.
He didn't believe the moon was real and there weren't satellites, they were floating around using hot air balloons. And that when I took a picture of the moon on his phone somehow it was photoshopped by his phone before popping up on the screen.
Thanks to the internet the population is being dumbed down and no amount of science or facts can fix it.
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I had a coworker that believed the world was flat. I asked if he ever watched debunking the flat earth theory He said those guys are crazy he knows the earth is flat.
He didn't believe the moon was real and there weren't satellites, they were floating around using hot air balloons. And that when I took a picture of the moon on his phone somehow it was photoshopped by his phone before popping up on the screen.
Thanks to the internet the population is being dumbed down and no amount of science or facts can fix it.
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OutdoorTraveler
One issue with teaching people how to spot false experts is the argument in this video. Don't trust people that speak authoritatively outside their area of expertise. Followed by an explanation of how myths about vaccine autism and cell phone towers are false. Clearly one person can not be an expert in these desperate fields. So it creates a contradiction similar to, this sentence is false. In order to effectively teach people to spot charlatans that can't do it naturally, this conflict needs to be resolved.
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One issue with teaching people how to spot false experts is the argument in this video. Don't trust people that speak authoritatively outside their area of expertise. Followed by an explanation of how myths about vaccine autism and cell phone towers are false. Clearly one person can not be an expert in these desperate fields. So it creates a contradiction similar to, this sentence is false. In order to effectively teach people to spot charlatans that can't do it naturally, this conflict needs to be resolved.
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AKMcF
Wow, an influencer who is happy to stand outside of their lane and spew the industrial consensus, another Degrasse Tyson type. yawn. Meta-analysis and systematic reviews epidemiology) trump randomized control trials and mechanistic lab study. WOW. Here's me thinking that a properly blinded, controlled, randomized and clinically conducted scientific experiment that is replicable is the ultimate proof when all we actaully need is multitude of trash studies so we have lot's of numbers to play with!
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Wow, an influencer who is happy to stand outside of their lane and spew the industrial consensus, another Degrasse Tyson type. yawn. Meta-analysis and systematic reviews epidemiology) trump randomized control trials and mechanistic lab study. WOW. Here's me thinking that a properly blinded, controlled, randomized and clinically conducted scientific experiment that is replicable is the ultimate proof when all we actaully need is multitude of trash studies so we have lot's of numbers to play with!
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Tom-kf7fz
Although there are a couple of errors like non-ionizing radiation not meaning it can't penetrate the body (not having sufficient energy to create damaging ion species; the lower the frequency, the better should the penetration) and pepsin is a protease that won't cut DNA (it shall destroy histone structures though; anyway who's the genius thinking eaten DNA can integrate with body cells, I fully support this kind of myth busting videos. There are just too many pseudoscience shits nowadays!
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Although there are a couple of errors like non-ionizing radiation not meaning it can't penetrate the body (not having sufficient energy to create damaging ion species; the lower the frequency, the better should the penetration) and pepsin is a protease that won't cut DNA (it shall destroy histone structures though; anyway who's the genius thinking eaten DNA can integrate with body cells, I fully support this kind of myth busting videos. There are just too many pseudoscience shits nowadays!
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mr88cet
Thank you! We need more people to listen to you!
9: 41 Minor nitpick: The important thing about non-ionizing radiation is that it cannot affect electron orbits, and therefore cannot cause nor alter chemical reactions. Biology is ultimately extremely-complex chemistry, so radio waves are biologically inert.
Now, radio waves can produce heat in the same manner that they do in a microwave oven, but microwave ovens produce radio waves 1000-2000 times more powerful than a cellphone.
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Thank you! We need more people to listen to you!
9: 41 Minor nitpick: The important thing about non-ionizing radiation is that it cannot affect electron orbits, and therefore cannot cause nor alter chemical reactions. Biology is ultimately extremely-complex chemistry, so radio waves are biologically inert.
Now, radio waves can produce heat in the same manner that they do in a microwave oven, but microwave ovens produce radio waves 1000-2000 times more powerful than a cellphone.
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rosablume4346
may I compliment your great communication tools loved your graphik, like, for for the papaya stuff. I myself try to teach basic soil science to desinterested tree climbers, so after several runs of my lectures, I focus more and more on the teaching and presenting of content. Keep on doing your debunking, even though the folks who would need it most, probably wont watch it, it looks very helpful to have smarter arguments or better explenations when meeting a knuckle head
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may I compliment your great communication tools loved your graphik, like, for for the papaya stuff. I myself try to teach basic soil science to desinterested tree climbers, so after several runs of my lectures, I focus more and more on the teaching and presenting of content. Keep on doing your debunking, even though the folks who would need it most, probably wont watch it, it looks very helpful to have smarter arguments or better explenations when meeting a knuckle head
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AndreaLovePhD
For the fellow science folks commenting re pepsin: it is historically viewed as a protease only, but was found in the last decade or so to have endonuclease function too- that is why I specifically used that, since the other nucleases aren’t in the stomach! :)
(Also, for folks asking about more detail re organic, pesticides, GMOs, supplements, vitamin D, I have LOTS of long form content on my newsletter, which is linked in the episode description)
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For the fellow science folks commenting re pepsin: it is historically viewed as a protease only, but was found in the last decade or so to have endonuclease function too- that is why I specifically used that, since the other nucleases aren’t in the stomach! :)
(Also, for folks asking about more detail re organic, pesticides, GMOs, supplements, vitamin D, I have LOTS of long form content on my newsletter, which is linked in the episode description)
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twestgard2
Scientists acting like there’s not a reproducibility crisis in scientific publishing, or a history of well funded scientists exploiting poor people. I get it, I love science. I wish scientists would put more effort into calling in their own people who are undermining the validity of the practice, and be a little less arrogant about people who don’t have access to training being skeptical of things they don’t understand.
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Scientists acting like there’s not a reproducibility crisis in scientific publishing, or a history of well funded scientists exploiting poor people. I get it, I love science. I wish scientists would put more effort into calling in their own people who are undermining the validity of the practice, and be a little less arrogant about people who don’t have access to training being skeptical of things they don’t understand.
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drwhackadoodle360
I thought most of this was good until she started talking about bread, and she pulled a bit of a switch in avoiding all of the other issues that American bread and food has as if the only thing people say about it is that the gluten is the issue - its not, American bread is processed in many other ways than gluten and people feeling less full in Europe IS a thing. Subways bread is legally cake in Ireland.
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I thought most of this was good until she started talking about bread, and she pulled a bit of a switch in avoiding all of the other issues that American bread and food has as if the only thing people say about it is that the gluten is the issue - its not, American bread is processed in many other ways than gluten and people feeling less full in Europe IS a thing. Subways bread is legally cake in Ireland.
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Imbapiranha
Chiropractors do have a limited field of practice where they can be useful, I actually once had a painful, but minor deviation in my posture that was fixed by a chiropractor. But besides that, I don't think there is a lot they can do to help you. The amount of strength it needs to fix more serious misalignments would surprise you. Ask a surgeon about the demanding task of moving bones into place.
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Chiropractors do have a limited field of practice where they can be useful, I actually once had a painful, but minor deviation in my posture that was fixed by a chiropractor. But besides that, I don't think there is a lot they can do to help you. The amount of strength it needs to fix more serious misalignments would surprise you. Ask a surgeon about the demanding task of moving bones into place.
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yongbinsong9676
Don''t believe blindly any scientists because they are just human beings that can anytime falsify the general people and also deceive themselves and, scientific knowledge or facts could be changed with time, and more importantly, they can be subject to ideology or propaganda which any governments or institutions or big companies tend to organize or manipulate. for their own benefits.
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Don''t believe blindly any scientists because they are just human beings that can anytime falsify the general people and also deceive themselves and, scientific knowledge or facts could be changed with time, and more importantly, they can be subject to ideology or propaganda which any governments or institutions or big companies tend to organize or manipulate. for their own benefits.
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Bulldogg6404
Despite knowing that studying the effects of radio-waves on the human body is part of biomedical science and that Dr. Love must be well-versed in every subject mentioned in the video, I still want to laugh like there could have been irony in jumping into it shortly after giving the advice that health influencers speaking outside their area of expertise is a red flag.
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Despite knowing that studying the effects of radio-waves on the human body is part of biomedical science and that Dr. Love must be well-versed in every subject mentioned in the video, I still want to laugh like there could have been irony in jumping into it shortly after giving the advice that health influencers speaking outside their area of expertise is a red flag.
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