Times The Bad Guys In Movies Were Actually Right
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Honestly, about the only reason I could ever see, any sort of social communication between Xenomorphs and Humanity though, is if the Xenomorphs were desperate (think of what had happened at the end of the last Matrix movie. The machines were losing control of the Matrix, and they had to have a human to take back control, otherwise, the machines would have killed him where he stood (that is, if the Xenomorphs were capable (if they are) of communication of some sort) because they wouldn't need his help. Of course, given how all alien Queens are all individuals of a greater mind, you'd probably have to speak with their mother.
Date: 2020-07-14
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Hulen
I think you missed a huge one in General William Devereaux (Bruce Willis) in the Seige. 1) He begs the government not to use the Army on American Soil and explains why. 2) When called to take action he did so in military fashion. 3. He was actually right about Elise Kraft and the man she was protecting. - a Muslim man, who brought others in through student VISAs and carried out systematic attacks on US soil in the name of his religion. Poetically enough, the movie was released in 1998.
Was what he did wrong. Sure. But would it have been necessary had the FBI not protected the very man that was orchestrating the entire thing?
General William Devereaux: The Army is a broadsword, not a scalpel. Trust me, senator, you do not want the Army in an American city.
Chief of Staff: But hypothetically. how long would it take you to deploy?
General William Devereaux: You know we can't go in until the President invokes the War Powers Act.
Chief of Staff: I understand that, General. Let's assume, for a moment, that the order has been given.
General William Devereaux: Twelve hours after the President gives the order we can be on the ground. One light infantry division of 10, 700 men, elements of the Rapid Deployment Force, Special Forces, Delta, APCs, helicopters, tanks, and of course the ubiquitous M16A1 assault rifle. A humble enough weapon until you see it in the hands of a man outside your local bowling alley or 7-11. It will be noisy. It will be scary, and it will not be mistaken for a VFW parade.
Army General: I wanna remind you, General Devereaux does not speak for official Army policy. A police function has become accepted as our role in Haiti and Somalia.
General William Devereaux: Make no mistake. We will hunt down the enemy. We will find the enemy. And we will kill the enemy. No card-carrying member of the ACLU is more deadset against it than I am. Which is why I urge you - I implore you - do not consider this as an option.
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I think you missed a huge one in General William Devereaux (Bruce Willis) in the Seige. 1) He begs the government not to use the Army on American Soil and explains why. 2) When called to take action he did so in military fashion. 3. He was actually right about Elise Kraft and the man she was protecting. - a Muslim man, who brought others in through student VISAs and carried out systematic attacks on US soil in the name of his religion. Poetically enough, the movie was released in 1998.
Was what he did wrong. Sure. But would it have been necessary had the FBI not protected the very man that was orchestrating the entire thing?
General William Devereaux: The Army is a broadsword, not a scalpel. Trust me, senator, you do not want the Army in an American city.
Chief of Staff: But hypothetically. how long would it take you to deploy?
General William Devereaux: You know we can't go in until the President invokes the War Powers Act.
Chief of Staff: I understand that, General. Let's assume, for a moment, that the order has been given.
General William Devereaux: Twelve hours after the President gives the order we can be on the ground. One light infantry division of 10, 700 men, elements of the Rapid Deployment Force, Special Forces, Delta, APCs, helicopters, tanks, and of course the ubiquitous M16A1 assault rifle. A humble enough weapon until you see it in the hands of a man outside your local bowling alley or 7-11. It will be noisy. It will be scary, and it will not be mistaken for a VFW parade.
Army General: I wanna remind you, General Devereaux does not speak for official Army policy. A police function has become accepted as our role in Haiti and Somalia.
General William Devereaux: Make no mistake. We will hunt down the enemy. We will find the enemy. And we will kill the enemy. No card-carrying member of the ACLU is more deadset against it than I am. Which is why I urge you - I implore you - do not consider this as an option.
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ChrisVertner
As of a recent hyperfixation, going back to the Underworld movies I have to say the fact that they actually followed through with the villain isnt really bad thing and gave Lucian his own movie to show his reasoning behind what he did is really amazing. Cause its true there are a lot of villains who's motivations are actually pretty sound. A lot also built on some really bad tropes or traits that are kind of harmful in retrospect. They portray the actions of many ostracized or struggling characters as evil for often times snapping and finally going against those who have harmed them. The lycans in Underworld are shown as animalistic and ruthless in the first movie until you find out they were made by Viktor and used as slaves. Anyone in that situation would have rebelled against their oppressors given the opportunity. And the movies could have easily swept that under the rug and not made a prequel that focused on that. Some villains really do fit the cool motive still murder aspect. Personally Syndrome and Leonard from Umbrella Academy are very similar and just fit the nerd boy who expects things to be handed to him cause he thinks he's special trope. Not really a villain I'd sympathize with. But give me someone like Lucian who's whole life was a miserable mistreatment kept like animals and belittled until he snaps and is given reason to fight back. Lucian was even willing to escape the vampire colony without hurting anyone at first. Until they killed Sonja. Even in the first movie a lot of his motivation is to expose Viktor and kill him at the least and then try to forge a peace with vampires. I'm all for sympathetic villains but there are still many I see a lot of people try to logic and I just don't agree with some of them.
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As of a recent hyperfixation, going back to the Underworld movies I have to say the fact that they actually followed through with the villain isnt really bad thing and gave Lucian his own movie to show his reasoning behind what he did is really amazing. Cause its true there are a lot of villains who's motivations are actually pretty sound. A lot also built on some really bad tropes or traits that are kind of harmful in retrospect. They portray the actions of many ostracized or struggling characters as evil for often times snapping and finally going against those who have harmed them. The lycans in Underworld are shown as animalistic and ruthless in the first movie until you find out they were made by Viktor and used as slaves. Anyone in that situation would have rebelled against their oppressors given the opportunity. And the movies could have easily swept that under the rug and not made a prequel that focused on that. Some villains really do fit the cool motive still murder aspect. Personally Syndrome and Leonard from Umbrella Academy are very similar and just fit the nerd boy who expects things to be handed to him cause he thinks he's special trope. Not really a villain I'd sympathize with. But give me someone like Lucian who's whole life was a miserable mistreatment kept like animals and belittled until he snaps and is given reason to fight back. Lucian was even willing to escape the vampire colony without hurting anyone at first. Until they killed Sonja. Even in the first movie a lot of his motivation is to expose Viktor and kill him at the least and then try to forge a peace with vampires. I'm all for sympathetic villains but there are still many I see a lot of people try to logic and I just don't agree with some of them.
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Chris
I know it was the intent of Brad Bird that Syndrome be somewhat sympathetic, but I could never feel that way with him. He was selfish from the get-go and never grew up from then. Okay, Mr. Incredible's method of handling him wasn't great, but he was pressed for time (to get MARRIED for crying out loud) and the kid really was a danger to himself and others.
The PIXAR villain that I was most sympathetic for was Charles Muntz. He brought home the bones of an incredible bird for which he was given an award. only to have that award stripped from him by a bunch of supposed experts who decided he had cheated. He acted honorably and did everything right. What's even sadder is THAT man was long gone by the time we catch up with him in _Up_. He had ZERO problems positioning a kid so he would fall to his death. Having had what was rightfully his taken away from him, he became obsessed with that possibility to the point of assuming EVERYBODY was trying to do that.
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I know it was the intent of Brad Bird that Syndrome be somewhat sympathetic, but I could never feel that way with him. He was selfish from the get-go and never grew up from then. Okay, Mr. Incredible's method of handling him wasn't great, but he was pressed for time (to get MARRIED for crying out loud) and the kid really was a danger to himself and others.
The PIXAR villain that I was most sympathetic for was Charles Muntz. He brought home the bones of an incredible bird for which he was given an award. only to have that award stripped from him by a bunch of supposed experts who decided he had cheated. He acted honorably and did everything right. What's even sadder is THAT man was long gone by the time we catch up with him in _Up_. He had ZERO problems positioning a kid so he would fall to his death. Having had what was rightfully his taken away from him, he became obsessed with that possibility to the point of assuming EVERYBODY was trying to do that.
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The
Hey, you forgot about Darth Vader! He's the guy who commited planetary genocide by firing the Death Star's main weapon at Alderaan. But he wasn't so bad after all because he saved his son from the emperor two movies later, and so he was seen frolicking merrily in Heaven with his old buddies Obi Wan and Yoda. He could have defied the emperor a little earlier and spared the people of Alderaan, but they weren't important enough for him so. boom goes the dynamite. Of course by saving Luke, he preserves his family line which is definitely of interest to old Darth. The moral of the story here is that you can be redeemed through self sacrifice - but only if it will be of interest to you in the long run. Otherwise life is shit. So. maybe Darth Vader really was a bad guy after all? Maybe George Lucas is really a bad guy. I know that Star Wars is really bad. It's evil.
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Hey, you forgot about Darth Vader! He's the guy who commited planetary genocide by firing the Death Star's main weapon at Alderaan. But he wasn't so bad after all because he saved his son from the emperor two movies later, and so he was seen frolicking merrily in Heaven with his old buddies Obi Wan and Yoda. He could have defied the emperor a little earlier and spared the people of Alderaan, but they weren't important enough for him so. boom goes the dynamite. Of course by saving Luke, he preserves his family line which is definitely of interest to old Darth. The moral of the story here is that you can be redeemed through self sacrifice - but only if it will be of interest to you in the long run. Otherwise life is shit. So. maybe Darth Vader really was a bad guy after all? Maybe George Lucas is really a bad guy. I know that Star Wars is really bad. It's evil.
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TheZipperDragon
The thing about Saw I never got was, wouldn't most people who escape his traps be mentally scarred, which I mean, they show that a bit, but like, I'm talking so scarred that they wouldn't wanna go outside, or sleep in the dark, & end up committing suicide anyways? granted, I stopped at saw 3, but from what I've seen & heard, no one goes through that, while, people who go through torture are usually a bit more. Crazy. Scared. Have random outbursts, & triggers. Obviously everyone responds to things differently, but I feel like the most common reaction would be worse than what we see.
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The thing about Saw I never got was, wouldn't most people who escape his traps be mentally scarred, which I mean, they show that a bit, but like, I'm talking so scarred that they wouldn't wanna go outside, or sleep in the dark, & end up committing suicide anyways? granted, I stopped at saw 3, but from what I've seen & heard, no one goes through that, while, people who go through torture are usually a bit more. Crazy. Scared. Have random outbursts, & triggers. Obviously everyone responds to things differently, but I feel like the most common reaction would be worse than what we see.
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Tony
The auto pilot from wall-e. They were trying to go back to earth and that would have been great, if they didn't spend hundreds of years in space. Everything they know on the ship, they have no idea how to survive on earth. The captain even says how they'll even grow pizza plants. Plus as far as we know that was the only plant on earth and it's still uninhabitable. They've never done anything for themselves so probably wouldn't be able to do the hard work needed to rebuild. They were better off staying where they've been their entire lives. There is no wall-e 2 because they all probably died.
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The auto pilot from wall-e. They were trying to go back to earth and that would have been great, if they didn't spend hundreds of years in space. Everything they know on the ship, they have no idea how to survive on earth. The captain even says how they'll even grow pizza plants. Plus as far as we know that was the only plant on earth and it's still uninhabitable. They've never done anything for themselves so probably wouldn't be able to do the hard work needed to rebuild. They were better off staying where they've been their entire lives. There is no wall-e 2 because they all probably died.
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bastardjustice
Jigsaw has probably the most highest and morbid morality in a villain. He personifies guilt and conscience in an extreme way.
People being tested may be harmed but they were already harming themselves by not valuing their own lives. So instead of them wasting oxygen by breathing, they are tested if they worthy of being alive.
It sounds kinds vigilantic and makes john kramer a guy with a god complex by punishing and testing people all at the same time.
Also, his genius level intellect is too perfect man. He has plans and back-up plans to everything.
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Jigsaw has probably the most highest and morbid morality in a villain. He personifies guilt and conscience in an extreme way.
People being tested may be harmed but they were already harming themselves by not valuing their own lives. So instead of them wasting oxygen by breathing, they are tested if they worthy of being alive.
It sounds kinds vigilantic and makes john kramer a guy with a god complex by punishing and testing people all at the same time.
Also, his genius level intellect is too perfect man. He has plans and back-up plans to everything.
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Nicholas
No on Syndrome. He's dangerous as a child, with his antics causing a train crash and forcing superheroes into hiding, and apparently a bit of a stalker. And he then grows up to become an arms dealer who has no problem killing a bunch of people who try to help people, all for his own glory.
Also, Mr. Glass was responsible for hundreds of innocents dying, plus creating another supervillain. Seems like you guys are reaching HARD on a lot of these, but those are the two that spring to mind first as easily disprovable for me.
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No on Syndrome. He's dangerous as a child, with his antics causing a train crash and forcing superheroes into hiding, and apparently a bit of a stalker. And he then grows up to become an arms dealer who has no problem killing a bunch of people who try to help people, all for his own glory.
Also, Mr. Glass was responsible for hundreds of innocents dying, plus creating another supervillain. Seems like you guys are reaching HARD on a lot of these, but those are the two that spring to mind first as easily disprovable for me.
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Mark
The Alien species requires hosts for their young, which kills the host. It's understandable why they'd do this, since that's what they've evolved to do. But the Aliens weren't just living a quiet life on a desolate planet. And when Jigsaw's death traps can only be solved by cutting off your own body parts, then that is murder. In the real world this would cause you to bleed to death. And even if you didn't, you wouldn't have a newfound appreciation for life. You'd be traumatized to the point of being unable to enjoy anything.
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The Alien species requires hosts for their young, which kills the host. It's understandable why they'd do this, since that's what they've evolved to do. But the Aliens weren't just living a quiet life on a desolate planet. And when Jigsaw's death traps can only be solved by cutting off your own body parts, then that is murder. In the real world this would cause you to bleed to death. And even if you didn't, you wouldn't have a newfound appreciation for life. You'd be traumatized to the point of being unable to enjoy anything.
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