Plot Holes In Avengers: Endgame Everyone Ignored
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If he supposedly saw every outcome only reason why he didn't tell her or Tony Start is because it somehow prevents them from figuring out time travel. or that there would be more dire consequences from obtaining the stone without bringing Thanos from alternative timeline. but why? If they just simply return things back as they were and return the stones, wouldn't it be like nothing ever happened?
Or would Thanos somehow know next time he gathers all gems the stone was already used multiple times? Perhaps soul stone? This knowledge would make him able to snap universes out of existence, even those alternative dimensions.
And if this all was just 1 in a billion shot to get right, why go through all the risk of fighting Thanos, when fate of the whole multiverse is on line? Especially when Dr Strange was dead most of the end game I find it fascinating how he still chose to let his people fight him instead of telling them that it isn't worth the risk.
I mean it's like watching some War movie where some guy says I estimate we have 1% chance to win this fight and everyone just blindly runs into the enemy hoping for victory. I know this is movie, but wouldn't it be better if Dr Strange said that there are million possibilities, but if we choose the path I chose, the odds are in our side. I guess it could have taken out the risk of losing that is always trying to be show to the audience.
So in short, we were lied to just to keep movie interesting.
Date: 2020-07-14
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-Skinwalker-
1. The future is not set in stone and the ancient one can only see possible timelines. Given what had JUST happened with kailicius in Dr. Strange it makes sense she would be cautious. Especially given the threat present and the potential Strange has for good and evil. Also keep in mind the Ancient One never met the hulk in the main timeline, and never gave up her own stone. YOU EVEN INCLUDE THE CLIP EXPLAINING THIS YOU IDIOTS!
2. Actually a very good explanation by the Russo Brothers. We have no proof thanos rushed to the Future, he could have prepared for years which would give him plenty of time to produce more Pym particles.
3. We have no idea how the gauntlet is controlled and it is very possible geustures can be required to do specific tasks.
4. MAGIC! Also Strange can see the future and keeps tabs on everyone. It would be easy for him to find pepper. Remember he found Stark and pepper while they were out jogging and even found Odin who was actively hiding in the middle of nowhere.
5. Because they didn't need to and it was a risk they didn't want to take. Best case scenario, they get return trips. Worst case they don't get a single stone and get stranded in the past. They eventually do it out of desperation as well.
6 &7. Theres 3 Captain Americas. The one from the prime timeline who returns to Peggy Carter. The one from the alternate timeline who's stuck in the ice. And then the one who has been living in the main universe the entire time, from a third unseen timeline. Think about it, it's the only possible solution and the only way he could possess an unbroken shield.
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1. The future is not set in stone and the ancient one can only see possible timelines. Given what had JUST happened with kailicius in Dr. Strange it makes sense she would be cautious. Especially given the threat present and the potential Strange has for good and evil. Also keep in mind the Ancient One never met the hulk in the main timeline, and never gave up her own stone. YOU EVEN INCLUDE THE CLIP EXPLAINING THIS YOU IDIOTS!
2. Actually a very good explanation by the Russo Brothers. We have no proof thanos rushed to the Future, he could have prepared for years which would give him plenty of time to produce more Pym particles.
3. We have no idea how the gauntlet is controlled and it is very possible geustures can be required to do specific tasks.
4. MAGIC! Also Strange can see the future and keeps tabs on everyone. It would be easy for him to find pepper. Remember he found Stark and pepper while they were out jogging and even found Odin who was actively hiding in the middle of nowhere.
5. Because they didn't need to and it was a risk they didn't want to take. Best case scenario, they get return trips. Worst case they don't get a single stone and get stranded in the past. They eventually do it out of desperation as well.
6 &7. Theres 3 Captain Americas. The one from the prime timeline who returns to Peggy Carter. The one from the alternate timeline who's stuck in the ice. And then the one who has been living in the main universe the entire time, from a third unseen timeline. Think about it, it's the only possible solution and the only way he could possess an unbroken shield.
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Chasten
THE HOLES IN YOUR PLOT HOLES. PT 1
I will address the simple fixes to supposed plot holes presented in this video. lets start from the end, Old Cap was married/Dancing with one of the founders of SHIELD. and presumably friends with Howard Stark, who created the first shield. Yes, an amount of vibranium would have to be procured, but old cap, knows about Wakanda. So when the time is right, he makes a deal and gets enough to make a new shield for a new Capt. America
next the stolen Pym particles. once they have undone the snap, and Hank is un-dusted, he is more than capable of making more Pym Particles. When Cap goes back to replace the stones in there original timelines. he takes extra particles to also put back in the lab.
Dr. Strange, and the Ancient One. its been said already but yea. reverse psychology anyone, and even knowing the path he was destined to walk down, having lost kysilius(sp) and knowing the allure of the dark dimension, can ya blame her for having some misgivings. but ultimately, she also knew that it had to play out exactly how it did, if it was going to end with the best result.
last one for now. Pepper Potts aka Rescue. Dr. Strange saw the one way this would come out a win for the Avengers, and I am sure that he saw that Pepper was there. As Rescue, and that her presence was probably instrumental in Tony's decision to make the ultimate sacrifice. Not to say that he wouldn't have done it without her being there, but he may have taken just a few seconds too long to come to that conclusion. A few moments, that could have changed everything.
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THE HOLES IN YOUR PLOT HOLES. PT 1
I will address the simple fixes to supposed plot holes presented in this video. lets start from the end, Old Cap was married/Dancing with one of the founders of SHIELD. and presumably friends with Howard Stark, who created the first shield. Yes, an amount of vibranium would have to be procured, but old cap, knows about Wakanda. So when the time is right, he makes a deal and gets enough to make a new shield for a new Capt. America
next the stolen Pym particles. once they have undone the snap, and Hank is un-dusted, he is more than capable of making more Pym Particles. When Cap goes back to replace the stones in there original timelines. he takes extra particles to also put back in the lab.
Dr. Strange, and the Ancient One. its been said already but yea. reverse psychology anyone, and even knowing the path he was destined to walk down, having lost kysilius(sp) and knowing the allure of the dark dimension, can ya blame her for having some misgivings. but ultimately, she also knew that it had to play out exactly how it did, if it was going to end with the best result.
last one for now. Pepper Potts aka Rescue. Dr. Strange saw the one way this would come out a win for the Avengers, and I am sure that he saw that Pepper was there. As Rescue, and that her presence was probably instrumental in Tony's decision to make the ultimate sacrifice. Not to say that he wouldn't have done it without her being there, but he may have taken just a few seconds too long to come to that conclusion. A few moments, that could have changed everything.
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Zero
Snap is an unecessary habbit flourish that thanos couldnt break, man has to do everything in style. A plothole could be that infinity thanos didnt fight as we as asskicker endgame thanos who took on so many at the same time. but it could be explained as endgame thanos wasnt heartbroken.
Team purple's recreation of pym particles in such a short time could be explained as genius space intellects just copying or simulating genius earth intellect's design.
Perhaps one of the reasons baldy didnt trust strange was her words with banner. he gave it away? But eitherway thats another timeline's problem.
Cap at the end didnt happen the 1st time through they just never saw him again. The ending is played from another timeline's perspective.
MY question is. how does one person return the stones? The power stone needed to go to a place with a burning barrier inside a container which they may or maynot have. The space stone, you gotta rebuild the tesseract somehow. The mind needs to go in the scepter's blue gem. reality needs to get liquified and injected like a drug. time being the easiest. But the biggest question is. a soul for a soul. u put it back, do you get back the cost? Also. what kind of convo did steve n skull have im here for a redhead you mean me?
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Snap is an unecessary habbit flourish that thanos couldnt break, man has to do everything in style. A plothole could be that infinity thanos didnt fight as we as asskicker endgame thanos who took on so many at the same time. but it could be explained as endgame thanos wasnt heartbroken.
Team purple's recreation of pym particles in such a short time could be explained as genius space intellects just copying or simulating genius earth intellect's design.
Perhaps one of the reasons baldy didnt trust strange was her words with banner. he gave it away? But eitherway thats another timeline's problem.
Cap at the end didnt happen the 1st time through they just never saw him again. The ending is played from another timeline's perspective.
MY question is. how does one person return the stones? The power stone needed to go to a place with a burning barrier inside a container which they may or maynot have. The space stone, you gotta rebuild the tesseract somehow. The mind needs to go in the scepter's blue gem. reality needs to get liquified and injected like a drug. time being the easiest. But the biggest question is. a soul for a soul. u put it back, do you get back the cost? Also. what kind of convo did steve n skull have im here for a redhead you mean me?
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Sarah
Oh my. oh my god how i this still a thing? He went to the past. Created an alternate reality. Lived his life in said reality. Came back to the prime reality when he'd finished living said life. The Russos have literally explained this. Old Steve wasnt hiding behind a tree to run out and sit on a log for dramatic reveal. He left, took as long as he needed, then came back in the exact 5 seconds Banner said, they just didn't notice because he showed up 20 feet away. Maybe he took the frozen Steves shield. Maybe he had a new one made, who knows. But we 100% know theres no theories to what happened with his end, its been explained flat out
You know who elses 'potential' The Ancient One saw? Kaecilius'. Maybe she was a bit wary about training someone else she thought was suppose to be 'the best' by the time she actually meets Strange. Hence the conversation about that exact thing.
Maybe Friday told Pepper? The AI connected to both their home and Tonys suit? Or she was just watching the news?
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Oh my. oh my god how i this still a thing? He went to the past. Created an alternate reality. Lived his life in said reality. Came back to the prime reality when he'd finished living said life. The Russos have literally explained this. Old Steve wasnt hiding behind a tree to run out and sit on a log for dramatic reveal. He left, took as long as he needed, then came back in the exact 5 seconds Banner said, they just didn't notice because he showed up 20 feet away. Maybe he took the frozen Steves shield. Maybe he had a new one made, who knows. But we 100% know theres no theories to what happened with his end, its been explained flat out
You know who elses 'potential' The Ancient One saw? Kaecilius'. Maybe she was a bit wary about training someone else she thought was suppose to be 'the best' by the time she actually meets Strange. Hence the conversation about that exact thing.
Maybe Friday told Pepper? The AI connected to both their home and Tonys suit? Or she was just watching the news?
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FacepalmDaily
Pepper being their made no logical sense and directly goes against her character motivations. All the Iron Man movies she wishes Tony would give up the suit. She hates the damn things. Iron Man 3 ends with Tony destroying all the suits. for her. Now she's ready to just jump into one? Also, earlier in the movie Tony said he was still building the suit, so she's had zero time to train and learn to use it, but all of a sudden she's an expert with it? Even Tony and Rhodes had to have time to learn the machine.
But my biggest problem: Tony and Pepper have a child. Are we really supposed to believe that Pepper would leave their young daughter alone, risking making her an orphan to be there in the fight? Sure, you could argue that if Thanos wins they are all dead anyway, but there's still the more likely option that her and Tony could be killed in the battle that the Avengers end up winning. There is no way she would risk that. She'd have stayed with her daughter.
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Pepper being their made no logical sense and directly goes against her character motivations. All the Iron Man movies she wishes Tony would give up the suit. She hates the damn things. Iron Man 3 ends with Tony destroying all the suits. for her. Now she's ready to just jump into one? Also, earlier in the movie Tony said he was still building the suit, so she's had zero time to train and learn to use it, but all of a sudden she's an expert with it? Even Tony and Rhodes had to have time to learn the machine.
But my biggest problem: Tony and Pepper have a child. Are we really supposed to believe that Pepper would leave their young daughter alone, risking making her an orphan to be there in the fight? Sure, you could argue that if Thanos wins they are all dead anyway, but there's still the more likely option that her and Tony could be killed in the battle that the Avengers end up winning. There is no way she would risk that. She'd have stayed with her daughter.
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Artist
So bad a video - BIG PLOT HOLE - where does VALKERIE get her FLYING HORSE FROM? when you only see it in a flash back to befor thor is born? and she is on Earth!
this is terrible, the first one isn't even a plot hole, he gave the stone away and no one know what his full future is but she's not gonna let on to anyone that she know all this. You can think about that plot hole for yourself.
Thanos gets the Pim particles and the movies dont show many things that are then later explained. loope is getting worse.
ok fair enough with pots, who did call her? unless it was a distress call in her helmet that their kid had.
Cap is easy, it always happened so yes he may have kissed his own daughter.
Hulk explainging the past, its not like Back to the Future then the film does exactly that, it's called writers humor.
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So bad a video - BIG PLOT HOLE - where does VALKERIE get her FLYING HORSE FROM? when you only see it in a flash back to befor thor is born? and she is on Earth!
this is terrible, the first one isn't even a plot hole, he gave the stone away and no one know what his full future is but she's not gonna let on to anyone that she know all this. You can think about that plot hole for yourself.
Thanos gets the Pim particles and the movies dont show many things that are then later explained. loope is getting worse.
ok fair enough with pots, who did call her? unless it was a distress call in her helmet that their kid had.
Cap is easy, it always happened so yes he may have kissed his own daughter.
Hulk explainging the past, its not like Back to the Future then the film does exactly that, it's called writers humor.
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PacHat
A plot-hole I thought of was:
Why didn't the Avengers time travel back to Infinity War when the past Avengers had him pinned down? (The moment right before Star-Lord lashed out on Thanos) or
Why didn't they go to the point where the past Thor hit Thanos but instead have the present Thor kill him? (and this time, aim for the head)
When Thanos was pinned down by the past Avengers in Infinity War, he would be an easy kill for the present Avengers if they appeared in that moment, killed him, and convinced the past Avengers to let them borrow the Gauntlet and after undoing Thanos' snap in their timeline, they could then just return it.
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A plot-hole I thought of was:
Why didn't the Avengers time travel back to Infinity War when the past Avengers had him pinned down? (The moment right before Star-Lord lashed out on Thanos) or
Why didn't they go to the point where the past Thor hit Thanos but instead have the present Thor kill him? (and this time, aim for the head)
When Thanos was pinned down by the past Avengers in Infinity War, he would be an easy kill for the present Avengers if they appeared in that moment, killed him, and convinced the past Avengers to let them borrow the Gauntlet and after undoing Thanos' snap in their timeline, they could then just return it.
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Marcus
You have to sacrifice the thing you love the most in order to get the Soul stone Nat kills herself even tho the thing she loves the most is her Family(The Avengers, for the stone to show up, she should have dropped Hawkeye. he already lost his family so he wouldn't recieve the stone anyway, and if she suicides the stone shouldn't appear.
The first snap doesn't injure Thanos at all(he was already half dead, and while i understand that trying to destroy the stones frees so much energy that he is almost killed by it, the consequence of the snaps(nothing for thanos but destruction for every other being) is inconsistent.
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You have to sacrifice the thing you love the most in order to get the Soul stone Nat kills herself even tho the thing she loves the most is her Family(The Avengers, for the stone to show up, she should have dropped Hawkeye. he already lost his family so he wouldn't recieve the stone anyway, and if she suicides the stone shouldn't appear.
The first snap doesn't injure Thanos at all(he was already half dead, and while i understand that trying to destroy the stones frees so much energy that he is almost killed by it, the consequence of the snaps(nothing for thanos but destruction for every other being) is inconsistent.
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Keegan
Cap grabbed the shield from a seperate timeline the same way that Thor grabbed Mjolnir from a seperate timeline. End Game Thor took Dark World Thor's hammer, yet Thor uses his hammer the entirety of Dark World. Under that exact logic cap can take a shield from a seperate timeline and bring it back to the prime timeline without effecting prime cap's shield. Cap lived his life with Peggy in a seperate timeline, one in which he retook posession of the shield and lived past 2023 as per Hulk's He blew right past his timestamp and with a jump back he brings the shield while simultaniously closing his pocket timeline.
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Cap grabbed the shield from a seperate timeline the same way that Thor grabbed Mjolnir from a seperate timeline. End Game Thor took Dark World Thor's hammer, yet Thor uses his hammer the entirety of Dark World. Under that exact logic cap can take a shield from a seperate timeline and bring it back to the prime timeline without effecting prime cap's shield. Cap lived his life with Peggy in a seperate timeline, one in which he retook posession of the shield and lived past 2023 as per Hulk's He blew right past his timestamp and with a jump back he brings the shield while simultaniously closing his pocket timeline.
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