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How ideology affects food waste

How ideology affects food waste

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Date: 2025-03-30

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To be honest, I don't quite identify with either of the two personality types it seems. I look at a product in my fridge. I smell it, visually inspect it. Check it's expire date (if it has any) and then based on the type of product it is and how risky it being expired is, I will make a judgement to eat it, heat it and eat it, or not eat it (throw it away.
E. g. an egg that is expired but sinks, I'll eat. Probably 1-2 weeks after it expired, but no 3 months.
Chicken that is expired but smells neutral, I will eat a few days past it's expire date, but probably not 1 week.
Vegetables, fruits - as long as they seem fresh and texture and appearance and smell are good I'll eat them.
Things that are more man-made, artificial, I'll treat with a great degree of skepticism however.
That cake of yours - there is no way to OBJECTIVELY measure it's edibility. There could be mould all over it, and you might not see it at that point (But you might in 3 days. So I'll take the freshness date for complex products that are likely to become mouldy or bacterially contaminated a lot more seriously, even if smell and taste are superficially fine.
I've had chicken smell 'a bit odd' but still be within it's expire range, we ate it, we both got 'a little sick'. The chicken smelled terrible 2 days later, about to expire. We were then sure we felt sick from it.
Being pragmatic, knowledge of how food goes bad some common sense and sensory input a risk assessment based on your current health and near future plans (am I flying tomorrow Maybe not eat discounted clams on their expire date today) are all that is needed to make the best possible assessment.
Money plays no role - even if you have little money, eating something that has a risk of causing you to get sick will mean you'll probably have to spend more money.

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I’m kinda doubt anyone cares, but if you do, I consider myself very conservative, socially and fiscally. Food waste bothers me a lot, and I always try to make sure leftovers get eaten in my house, and I’ll even eat stuff I don’t like that much if I know no one else will eat it. I also eat a lot of questionable food. I always go by the smell test as opposed to the sell by date, and if I know something was made 2 weeks ago and only smells a tiny bit funny, I eat it as soon as possible so it doesn’t have a chance to really spoil. I’ll also eat stuff that was left out if I have to. I make omelettes for myself to bring to work every morning, and I make them before bed. Occasionally I make them really late at night and forget them and leave them out: . In that case i eat them the next morning, and if I can’t I do throw them out. I do really try to avoid this of course but sometimes I have to make do. Eggs are expensive.
I also eat a really clean diet. I mostly eat whole foods in home cooked meals. The few foods I do eat I avoid seed oils, preservatives, dyes, emulsifiers, any kind of unnatural chemicals. I eat out at restaurants less than once a month now and food made by someone I don’t know is usually what triggers my disgust reaction. I always worry about how it was probably cut on a plastic cutting board, cooked with canola oil, or made by someone who doesn’t change gloves often. I don’t really trust food service workers. I train people in a kitchen currently and I’m horrified by a lot of the stuff my coworkers think is okay.

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I didn't expect a food video from the cutting board guy to make me think this hard about my personality. I've noticed for a long time that I have a tendency to visualize the entire chain of events and resources that lead up to the production of a food item before I choose to throw it away. That actually makes me even more hesitant to throw away something resource-intensive like meat versus a small pile of lettuce or an old banana. And I'll also sometimes think about whether eating that meal will replace other food in other meals, or whether I am just consuming extra calories for no reason. And it actually applies to non-food products, too: throwing out stuff that we put so much work and resources into just seems. very weird sometimes. But if the item no longer has any value, what are you going to do Still, it feels nice knowing that there are other people out there who think the same way - at least to some degree.
As a side note: For years, I have thought about the evolutionary relevance of having some people being more liberal and others being more conservative. Like, you need some people who are willing to try a new food, so if there's a shortage in the old food source, you know what else is available to eat. But you also need people who are unwilling to try the new food, so if it turns out to be poison, it doesn't like. immediately kill your whole tribe. Anyway, it's cool to hear the same concept applied to an individual, modern person, and how we all have some balance of both of those voices within us, and we need both of them.

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Just a thought: conservatives like to conserve. They conserve traditions, values, and ways of thinking about the world, and food. There’s also a huge overlap in the Venn diagram of conservatives and self-reliance homesteading practices (canning, smoking, pickling, etc. At the very least, many conservatives are homesteading-adjacent and know of the practices of safe food preservation. This also means they recognize how dangerous spoilage can be.
Consider this with the higher disgust-sensitivity and it seems reasonable that conservatives would place a higher emphasis on conserving health by avoiding potentially spoiled food, and their disgust sensitivity reinforces this.
Again, this is just a thought.
Also, the altruism difference caught me off-guard. I read somewhere that conservatives give more in direct, private charitable contributions than liberals as demonstrated in what’s reported in their tax returns. Whereas liberals support government policies that create tax-funded programs to help their communities. The key difference is not that one cares more than the other, it’s that the conservative sees helping others as an individual’s duty to their community and not the duty of a bureaucratic, inefficient government’s. Conservatives care, but they show it through individual action and not through social policy.

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I am very liberal in most senses of the word, but I'm also neurodivergent and I have a severe allergy so food is an interesting subject for me. I absolutely prioritize my health and enjoyment of the food, to be honest. I can't tolerate fruit that's a little old and the texture is off-- however, depending on the fruit, i might try to neutralize the texture by making a smoothie, or I will feed the fruit to one of my animals if they can have it, and lastly I try to compost. If a specific allergen has touched my food, I cannot even consider eating it. I won't. It's done. I will eat things past their expiration date depending on the type of food, whether it's expiration or sell-by, and quality tests. Meat that was not frozen or cooked by it's expiration is a no go. Yogurt is fine at any age so long as there's no mold and it passes the sniff test. I absolutely try to be mindful, but I also know that judgements about food waste are often not helpful, and I never compromise my well-being for the sake of food. A lot of this is because my current philosophy is put your own oxygen mask on first. In order to best take care of my community and advocate for people, animals, and the environment, I have to first take care of myself.
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I think the seperation into two simple groups is a gross oversimplification, particularly since altruism is even questionable as a concept. Thanks for referencing the spectrum.
As a liberal who aligns more wih the altruistic side of the spectrum towards post-consumer waste (which is only 24% of the larger food waste picture according to the EPA's 2016 study, I would think that my primary motivational driver of financial guilt should be more applied to the altruistic side.
I also think that financial drivers completely break any notion of correlation based on political affiliation or alignment (e. g. lower class blue state liberals and red state middle class conservatives both can't afford to toss food in this economy.
I love what you're doing and think it necessary, but I think the focus on consumer responsibility rather than that of the producer and distributor is just carrying the false flag that corporations have given us, similar to recycling.

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I'd be interested in seeing how the labels of Altruistic and Hedonistic came about in their conclusions. How much of it is solidly based in wider analysis beyond food, how wide a range of descriptions were considered before arriving at altruism/hedonism. If it shows a bias in ideology of the paper itself, if it was best simplified into two main trends, and what portion of the results went into the overall analysis.
The examples and descriptions fit each other well, and I don't ask this as a criticism of the paper, but rather to ask if critically engaging with the process shows anything to consider in how we process the results.
Data is data, but the way we interpret it is a product of the people doing so. Like how there are studies where people might, even unintentionally, interpret refusing to harm others for your benefit as a bad thing, if the people who do so are of a demographic they view negatively.

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Geez, it's so tiring to witness how people try so hard to tie everything to politics. Does the fact that you're wiping your ass with your left hand say that you're leaning more towards liberal Do conservatives tend to sleep on their right side rather than left I don't think that food waste has a lot to with political ideology, and more to do with how reasonable are you overall, and also with corporate greed. And am I more responsible for food waste by throwing away a slice of cake that I completely forgot about than those that overproduce the stuff, and stores that shove it all in the garbage by the tons because they can't sell it General consensus is that wasting anything wouldn't exactly be a good idea, be it food, time or other resource. Or, at least, it should be.
Reality is a bit different, though. But making it political is just cheap propaganda.

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I typically go with an in-between thought process on this, I was raised with the think of the other kids/people around the world who aren't as blessed, who are starving ideology. If the food for sure is rancid with mold, foul stench, and stuff like that I'll toss it. how ever the more I do my own food research the more I see it depends on the food and how it does bad. Things like cheese being a pretty basic one, are made from mold and milk. Depending on how you let the fruit spoil it becomes alcohol. Also THANK YOU Adam Regusea for being a huge help in my journey into learning more about cooking and the knowledge behind how we discovered these beautiful things. You help take my mind off of the negative things I tend to focus on and inspire me to learn new things and to have fun while doing so. Keep being flocking Fantastic!
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I usually throw out food even if it has a small risk of being rotten because getting sick is very costly compared to the cost of replacing the food. Even ignoring the price of healthcare (which is high everywhere: only difference is whether the individual or the community pays for it, getting sicks lowers your productivity. Let’s say the median American worker loses one week of work due to getting sick for eating rotten food. The median hourly salary is 19 dollars per hour and the median time spent at work is 34 hours. That’s 646 dollars. The median American spends 270 dollars per week on groceries. That means losing one week of work due to being sick is the opportunity cost of 2 weeks of groceries. That’s without taking into account the cost of healthcare.
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As someone who loves using up leftovers but grew up with a hoarder including moldy food: A month is too old, that's terrifying. You have to plan how to use leftovers within a day or two if you don't simply eat it as is!
Next day leftovers are really great for instance for lunch boxes, no matter if as is or modified (e. g. turn leftover curry into a fritatta or gyoza-filling.
This whole different types of value-holding seems second hand to insufficient planning. Being proactive and taking responsibility for your choices. It doesn't matter if you throw a cake away after a day or 50 if you don't eat it, how you throw it away makes a bigger difference: landfill, compost, etc.
Inactivity is every bit as much a choice as any other activity.

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I saw the title and thought this was going to discuss waste comparisons in those who buy foods like fresh fruits/vegetables that can't be frozen and go bad faster vs those that buy meats and things that can be. Still an interesting topic nonetheless. I must say though, thank you for your calm, rational, and respectful analysis of both liberal and conservative preferences and behaviors. Normally, people throw in passive aggressive quips or little jabs at the other side from what they believe, but I actually left this intrigued and having learned something rather than stressed and feeling like I just listened to a rant. It's a breath of fresh air for someone who thinks both sides have their moments of being bat s%&$ crazy but can can also have merit.
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I think it would be best to break down this data to the simplest explanation and only use the first study to do so. It isn't nuanced, nothing affects people the way altruism/hedonism does on this topic, regardless of any other factor.
The moment you try to take other factors in, like politics, you need to consider that think of the starving children is a conservative mom take, eating 10 year old beans from a pantry is more condervative, at least with more chavvy people in NL. I even wonder if both studies are skewed to a younger generation simply from what's available.
I am however glad it nailed this down so well, when only concerned with the ideology presented, as it may be the only framework on this topic with no real exceptions.

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I'd need to point out that the term Liberal in the US has a vastly different meaning in the US and North America than outside of it. In the US it's a rough synonym for progressivism (seeking equal outcome, often through the hands of authority) where as outside the US it's much closer what Americans know as right wing libertarian (minimising government, maximising personal freedom. This also means if liberal is considered conservative is flipped between the US/NA and most anywhere else in the world.
This being a Danish study, it's likely the latter.
(reason why it's flipped in the US is due to American politics in the 1930's and the progressive party failing hard and then rebranding as liberal and being successful)

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I am definitely not on the left but lean heavily in the altruistic category here. I am not motivated by a sense of broad ideals or platitudes of 'the planet' etc. but instead am concerned with the time, resources, and care put into food by those in my household. I stress out about leftovers not getting ate and push back about dinner being made when the previous night's is plentiful in the fridge. It's also interesting how rare it is for the worst foods to not be wasted, leftover Taco Bell, deserts, and alongside those highly palatable ultra-processed foods are high palatable proteins like steaks and roasts, or resiliently re-heatable carb heavy dishes like pasta bakes or enchiladas.
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But you forgot indecision, in which you run through all four, make up new feelings and skills for good measure, get overwhelmed and decide to just throw it away. into your mouth. then into the trash. then feel bad and eat the other half because, no, I was not intending to imply that you ate the entire slice cake earlier. Who eats like that Anyway, if you get sick, you'll only get half sick. Or maybe you just put it back in the fridge for the mold to decide for you. Or forget it on the counter while you grab a snack bar, then throw it away the next day. No, don't wait for the bugs to eat it. Get some help.
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About the altruism and liberal vs conservative, as you say liberals say things that make them sound more altruistic but if you look at things such as donating to charities (both national and international) then you see that the group that donate the most money is conservative christians (even if you account for income. Liberal atheists donate the least amount of money. Older people (who are also more likely to be conservative) are also more likely to not throw away food, as they lived in a time where food was more scarce. They push for those values in their children.
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I'm obsessed with the gift economics of food. I'm highly driven to eat food that is offered to me, especially if it is offered with any sort of solemnity or ritual as a gift or if it is offered in a unique situation (work food, experimental food, etc. It is emotionally distressing to feel like I don't have the physical capacity to accept a gift of food, I force it very hard sometimes and to my detriment. Your grandma could literally kill me if she just kept offering me more food and looking sorta disappointed if I try to refuse.
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I have an unhealthy compulsion to eat whatever's on my plate, no matter the cost. I'll be full and won't want to eat any more, but my brain mandates that I finish that dang meal. My parents never pulled the starving kids schtick on me, but nonetheless here I am stuffing my face against my brain's and my body's better judgement.
Yet despite all of this I, have no qualms throwing out food in the fridge, and probably do so more than is necessary. It seems the plate is the deciding factor for me.
I am flawed and confusing.

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The study that shows that liberals are more turned on by altruistic language is funny because they tend to be less altruistic in practice on a personal level, they tend to care for other people, but also don’t want to do the hard work of actually caring for other people, they expect someone else to do it versus conservatives may be less altruistic in thought, but they are more altruistic in practice at least on a personal level. That’s at least what I’ve seen from the different studies I’ve read aboutaltruism.
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