Fixing Lake Okeechobee's Water Release Issues - Best Idea Yet!
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Date: 2020-08-07
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Robert
Scott, I watch the documentary today on several agencies that are doing the water testing on the east and west coast. The problem seems to be BPAA found at the ocean Outlets that come from human waste septic tanks. With the growing population in both those areas and with the septic systems being underwater that this was a major cause. Overpopulation will only make it continue to get worse. They did mention all the runoff down to the casino me and through Okeechobee of fertilizers. It looks pretty serious as to the build-up on the water that even cause people trouble breathing. I noticed the same thing at Clear Lake the last couple of trips out there. 5 years ago the black Matt was like 10 in thick. On last year's trip at the rattlesnake area we saw hundreds of 810 pound large cheese up on the bank just dying. This year we heard that the cause was over spring for the algae buildup last year. We did notice that the fish were smaller and the numbers fewer than the last three years that we were down there. That's a good idea if they can push that water down into the wells before reaches those East and West Outlets. Overpopulation and more septic tanks being added day today seems like a very serious problem
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Scott, I watch the documentary today on several agencies that are doing the water testing on the east and west coast. The problem seems to be BPAA found at the ocean Outlets that come from human waste septic tanks. With the growing population in both those areas and with the septic systems being underwater that this was a major cause. Overpopulation will only make it continue to get worse. They did mention all the runoff down to the casino me and through Okeechobee of fertilizers. It looks pretty serious as to the build-up on the water that even cause people trouble breathing. I noticed the same thing at Clear Lake the last couple of trips out there. 5 years ago the black Matt was like 10 in thick. On last year's trip at the rattlesnake area we saw hundreds of 810 pound large cheese up on the bank just dying. This year we heard that the cause was over spring for the algae buildup last year. We did notice that the fish were smaller and the numbers fewer than the last three years that we were down there. That's a good idea if they can push that water down into the wells before reaches those East and West Outlets. Overpopulation and more septic tanks being added day today seems like a very serious problem
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ray
I have lived in fl 58 yrs and I think Scott you are very capable of leading a movement twords a fix to the problem.
What most people don't understand is that all the canal systems that are in place are done!
They took many years to develop and the (BRING IT BACK TO THE WAY IT WAS)Is not an option at this point, it literally took 30 yrs to build and would cost all of us the rest of our lives to show any results. And they might not be any help at all at this point.
I encourage you to use your open mind to think out of the box, for the issues we have now are way different than the issues we had when we built the canal systems.
I'm a simple man, I don't believe in politics and if you guys want to bash Scott for thinking out of the box DO SOMETHING YOUR SELVES!
Thank you, Scott, for being so much like your dad ( he did good.
he was my idol when I was young. I would love to hear from you on this issue and help in any way I can.
I live in Naples now and there's a lot of bad rap going on the big O that I know is all bs. I go there as often as I can and its always just a great fishery and nature spot.
Call me anytime Ill come fish with you anytime.
2392530905 thx Ray
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I have lived in fl 58 yrs and I think Scott you are very capable of leading a movement twords a fix to the problem.
What most people don't understand is that all the canal systems that are in place are done!
They took many years to develop and the (BRING IT BACK TO THE WAY IT WAS)Is not an option at this point, it literally took 30 yrs to build and would cost all of us the rest of our lives to show any results. And they might not be any help at all at this point.
I encourage you to use your open mind to think out of the box, for the issues we have now are way different than the issues we had when we built the canal systems.
I'm a simple man, I don't believe in politics and if you guys want to bash Scott for thinking out of the box DO SOMETHING YOUR SELVES!
Thank you, Scott, for being so much like your dad ( he did good.
he was my idol when I was young. I would love to hear from you on this issue and help in any way I can.
I live in Naples now and there's a lot of bad rap going on the big O that I know is all bs. I go there as often as I can and its always just a great fishery and nature spot.
Call me anytime Ill come fish with you anytime.
2392530905 thx Ray
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sdvten
We get algae blooms up here that hurt the fish and even kill the fish. Cause spots, sores, etc on fish and wildlife. It is primarily from the farm runnoff, weed killers, fertilizers and manure. THough waste treament system discharge and raw sewage discharge during floods is adding to it, just not to the extent farming is. The fish commission and the DEP know about it and do nothing about it because they won't make the farming industry clean up their act. The fish commission only investigated it because the anglers were pushing them for over 20 years until they finally cared. Industry has to meet incredibly tight guidelines at great expense to industry but the farms are for the most part left to pollute as they see fit. The amount of thick weeds in the rivers and on the susq flats my grandfather tells me used to be there I have never seen. Massive fields of weeds so thick you could not run an outboard through them. They are gone now, only left with patches here and there.
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We get algae blooms up here that hurt the fish and even kill the fish. Cause spots, sores, etc on fish and wildlife. It is primarily from the farm runnoff, weed killers, fertilizers and manure. THough waste treament system discharge and raw sewage discharge during floods is adding to it, just not to the extent farming is. The fish commission and the DEP know about it and do nothing about it because they won't make the farming industry clean up their act. The fish commission only investigated it because the anglers were pushing them for over 20 years until they finally cared. Industry has to meet incredibly tight guidelines at great expense to industry but the farms are for the most part left to pollute as they see fit. The amount of thick weeds in the rivers and on the susq flats my grandfather tells me used to be there I have never seen. Massive fields of weeds so thick you could not run an outboard through them. They are gone now, only left with patches here and there.
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Rationally
The Indian River lagoon has huge fish kills every year because of lake Okeechobee discharge. And it doesn't bounce back anymore. It's been nasty for years now. It has other issues but it's limping along from it's own problems then they dump the lake into it. Buying the land is the answer. That land is swamp land it will turn back in one season. I grew up in the Everglades it was working that way far before people came here. The Everglades is a river that drains to the ocean. Let the water flow where it is suppose to go the Everglades will take care of the rest. Those animals evolved to live in the swamp with rising and lowering water levels. The answer is the land and it's the only answer. In addition what your proposing would leave the high phosphorus levels in the lake which creates the blooms.
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The Indian River lagoon has huge fish kills every year because of lake Okeechobee discharge. And it doesn't bounce back anymore. It's been nasty for years now. It has other issues but it's limping along from it's own problems then they dump the lake into it. Buying the land is the answer. That land is swamp land it will turn back in one season. I grew up in the Everglades it was working that way far before people came here. The Everglades is a river that drains to the ocean. Let the water flow where it is suppose to go the Everglades will take care of the rest. Those animals evolved to live in the swamp with rising and lowering water levels. The answer is the land and it's the only answer. In addition what your proposing would leave the high phosphorus levels in the lake which creates the blooms.
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Tee
Send the pollution down in the ground right. Well, before that you said send the pollution like fertilizer, oil, and other things big agriculture so it's not visible and doesn't harm you or your family.
Greed is the culprit. When you create filth and don't have properly recycle it you will have a problem.
Whites are very self centered in that if whatever activities they are involved in hurts their neighbors doesn't bother them especially if the people are of a different color and powerless.
Environmental pollution has usual been restricted to non-white or poor white areas. We have reached a point where destruction of the environment is not sustainable and can't be contained.
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Send the pollution down in the ground right. Well, before that you said send the pollution like fertilizer, oil, and other things big agriculture so it's not visible and doesn't harm you or your family.
Greed is the culprit. When you create filth and don't have properly recycle it you will have a problem.
Whites are very self centered in that if whatever activities they are involved in hurts their neighbors doesn't bother them especially if the people are of a different color and powerless.
Environmental pollution has usual been restricted to non-white or poor white areas. We have reached a point where destruction of the environment is not sustainable and can't be contained.
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The
The issue is not simply water flow, it is the amount of fertilizers that are being spread on the land both by the sugar cane industry and residents trying to grow grass on their properties. Water is the most precious resource in Florida and one of the main reasons people are visiting the state. What the government needs to do is revive the EPA and stop the spread of fertilizers fir both farming and residential land it is not the water that is hurting the resource, it is the extreme levels of fertilizer that is building up in the lake and then flowing out of the lake feeding algae to bloom in excessive quantity in the river and both coasts.
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The issue is not simply water flow, it is the amount of fertilizers that are being spread on the land both by the sugar cane industry and residents trying to grow grass on their properties. Water is the most precious resource in Florida and one of the main reasons people are visiting the state. What the government needs to do is revive the EPA and stop the spread of fertilizers fir both farming and residential land it is not the water that is hurting the resource, it is the extreme levels of fertilizer that is building up in the lake and then flowing out of the lake feeding algae to bloom in excessive quantity in the river and both coasts.
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Marion
This great idea is potentially one of the most expensive ecological disasters waiting to happen. taking the view that a sinkhole wont expose flaws in the underground salt caves and virtually extinguish the lake entirely. The idea of removing 80% of the excess water in a world rapidly running out of this precious resource and the far reaching ramifications to the environment is unbelievable.
Please refer to the scientists, marine ecologists and climate change experts before you expound on your common sense approach.
Science is not common sense, its expertise and knowledge supported by facts and historical data.
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This great idea is potentially one of the most expensive ecological disasters waiting to happen. taking the view that a sinkhole wont expose flaws in the underground salt caves and virtually extinguish the lake entirely. The idea of removing 80% of the excess water in a world rapidly running out of this precious resource and the far reaching ramifications to the environment is unbelievable.
Please refer to the scientists, marine ecologists and climate change experts before you expound on your common sense approach.
Science is not common sense, its expertise and knowledge supported by facts and historical data.
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Stitch
And who exactly is going to be in charge of pumping the NON polluted (but probably will be polluted) water into the ground? Lets forget the science fiction approach and let the water flow the way it should non stop. Let the hyacinth plants grow and fill the lake if they need to and regulate the sugar farms not the water in the lake. Big sugar has the finances to go to Venezuela or Brazil where they can buy and do anything they want. Sugar does more harm than good in Florida and we can grow less destructive crops than sugar.
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And who exactly is going to be in charge of pumping the NON polluted (but probably will be polluted) water into the ground? Lets forget the science fiction approach and let the water flow the way it should non stop. Let the hyacinth plants grow and fill the lake if they need to and regulate the sugar farms not the water in the lake. Big sugar has the finances to go to Venezuela or Brazil where they can buy and do anything they want. Sugar does more harm than good in Florida and we can grow less destructive crops than sugar.
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Christian
You said it yourself, you are no expert in this. The idea of a deep water well is insane, and I am willing to be this idea was thrown out there by someone from the ag industry. It frustrates me so much to hear someone like yourself that has no idea about how sheetflow works and how the fluid dynamics of the everglades used to be, talk about it. I am not an engineer or a hydro geologist, but I do have a strong background in restoration science and geologic science. Please quit being a spokesperson for sugar subsidies.
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You said it yourself, you are no expert in this. The idea of a deep water well is insane, and I am willing to be this idea was thrown out there by someone from the ag industry. It frustrates me so much to hear someone like yourself that has no idea about how sheetflow works and how the fluid dynamics of the everglades used to be, talk about it. I am not an engineer or a hydro geologist, but I do have a strong background in restoration science and geologic science. Please quit being a spokesperson for sugar subsidies.
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Dick
I disagree. respectfully. hurricanes have been around for a few years. The Everglades was a functional system until MAN interfered.
Big Sugar can't possibly be contributing. Kissimmee river straightened out, with no thermoclines. No problem.
Where are we gonna find a deep water well, in Florida, that won't mix with the aquaphor. government screwed it up. Let the people come up with solutions. restore the watershed from Orlando to homestead. no land should be sold to or aquired by the government.
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I disagree. respectfully. hurricanes have been around for a few years. The Everglades was a functional system until MAN interfered.
Big Sugar can't possibly be contributing. Kissimmee river straightened out, with no thermoclines. No problem.
Where are we gonna find a deep water well, in Florida, that won't mix with the aquaphor. government screwed it up. Let the people come up with solutions. restore the watershed from Orlando to homestead. no land should be sold to or aquired by the government.
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