AMD Threadripper 3960X Review vs. 3970X, 3950X, 10980XE, & More
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Date: 2020-05-06
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CHOPPERGIRL's
Instead of getting a 3950x entirely new system for like 1000+, I bought the inside guts of two FX-8350 systems from people upgrading. I got 64gb of ram, 2 motherboards, two processors and coolers. for 200. so basically, a 2/3rd as powerful system according to passmark for like 1/5th the price. I suppose if I bought a third, I'd have 96gb of ram, almost as powerful in terms of CPU, for like. a third or less of the price? I'm actually liking the way I want, because I don't need that much CPU power on one machine. someone else can get on the other machine and game while I'm on mine. or I can max one system out with work, and hop on the other one and it be completely at idle. If I'm working, I put both of them on a KVM, and just set one to render and KVM over to the other while the first works in the background. that's the easiest, or you can spread the load over both of them. The FX-8350 gets a lot of hate but with all this upgrading to Ryzen, these used FX combo deals are turning out to be the poor man's workstation. if you got plenty of old harddrives, cases, and powersupplies lying about you wont' have to pay for, like most PC techs have.
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Instead of getting a 3950x entirely new system for like 1000+, I bought the inside guts of two FX-8350 systems from people upgrading. I got 64gb of ram, 2 motherboards, two processors and coolers. for 200. so basically, a 2/3rd as powerful system according to passmark for like 1/5th the price. I suppose if I bought a third, I'd have 96gb of ram, almost as powerful in terms of CPU, for like. a third or less of the price? I'm actually liking the way I want, because I don't need that much CPU power on one machine. someone else can get on the other machine and game while I'm on mine. or I can max one system out with work, and hop on the other one and it be completely at idle. If I'm working, I put both of them on a KVM, and just set one to render and KVM over to the other while the first works in the background. that's the easiest, or you can spread the load over both of them. The FX-8350 gets a lot of hate but with all this upgrading to Ryzen, these used FX combo deals are turning out to be the poor man's workstation. if you got plenty of old harddrives, cases, and powersupplies lying about you wont' have to pay for, like most PC techs have.
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Hardcore
I own 1st gen TR and an 8700k Gaming PC I'm a hardcore Gamer that Games on a 1440p 144hz monitor I also own a 2080Ti but I also use Vegas Pro 15 moving up to 17 soon to edit etc, I need to see a detailed test into 1440p Gaming with the 3960x Overclocked in old Games and new Games also Vegas Pro 17 and retro emulation. Old Games like: -Napoleon Total War -Rome Total War 2 -Ultimate Epic Battle Simulator -Sim City 4 -Command and Conquer Red Alert 2 -Command and Conquer Tiberium Wars -Battlefield 3 -Battlefield 4 -Battlefield 1 -COD BO2 -Final DOOM -COD WW2 -CSGO! New Games: -Jedi Fallen Order -BF5 -Battlefront 2 Retroarch: -SNES -NES -N64 -Master System -Mega Drive -GBA -PS1 -PS2 -PS3 Vegas Pro 17 -4k X264 render GPU accelerated CC and Sharpening also Magic Bullet looks effect (Core heavy big time) and Twixtor! -Video Conversion AVI to MP4 Large video file of around 320gb also smaller 2gb and 700mb video files. Android Emulation: -PubG Mobile -COD Mobile etc. I realise this is a specific use case but it doesn't hurt to ask hahahaha.
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I own 1st gen TR and an 8700k Gaming PC I'm a hardcore Gamer that Games on a 1440p 144hz monitor I also own a 2080Ti but I also use Vegas Pro 15 moving up to 17 soon to edit etc, I need to see a detailed test into 1440p Gaming with the 3960x Overclocked in old Games and new Games also Vegas Pro 17 and retro emulation. Old Games like: -Napoleon Total War -Rome Total War 2 -Ultimate Epic Battle Simulator -Sim City 4 -Command and Conquer Red Alert 2 -Command and Conquer Tiberium Wars -Battlefield 3 -Battlefield 4 -Battlefield 1 -COD BO2 -Final DOOM -COD WW2 -CSGO! New Games: -Jedi Fallen Order -BF5 -Battlefront 2 Retroarch: -SNES -NES -N64 -Master System -Mega Drive -GBA -PS1 -PS2 -PS3 Vegas Pro 17 -4k X264 render GPU accelerated CC and Sharpening also Magic Bullet looks effect (Core heavy big time) and Twixtor! -Video Conversion AVI to MP4 Large video file of around 320gb also smaller 2gb and 700mb video files. Android Emulation: -PubG Mobile -COD Mobile etc. I realise this is a specific use case but it doesn't hurt to ask hahahaha.
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Mr.
These CPUs ACTUALLY GREAT for gaming! Check Guru3D review, he actually tests 1440p [even in 720p they not bad] You see due to large and fast [faster then in Ryzen] cache, these CPUs actually show themselves good in 1440p and probably in 4K, i know there is GPU bottleneck, but 1440P is the fast FPS resolution right now, 120hz, 144hz and even 200hz monitors Shadow of Tomb Raider: FIRST PLACE on Graph: 3970x and 3960x: 114FPS Deus Ex Mankind Devided: First Place 9900KS: 117FPS, 3960X: 111FPS, 3970x: 113FPS Witcher 3: First Place 9900KS: 148FPS, 3960x and 3970x: 145FPS [again, no difference] Strange Brigade: First place 3950x: 174FPS, 3970x and 3960x: 170FPS [again no real difference] Formula 1: First place 10980XE: 147FPS, 3960x: 145FPS [just 2 FPS difference] The only game this CPU suffer are FarCry 5: First place 9900KS 133FPS, 3960x: 106FPS This engine is known to hate AMD CPUs, first 5 tops CPUs on the graph are Intel
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These CPUs ACTUALLY GREAT for gaming! Check Guru3D review, he actually tests 1440p [even in 720p they not bad] You see due to large and fast [faster then in Ryzen] cache, these CPUs actually show themselves good in 1440p and probably in 4K, i know there is GPU bottleneck, but 1440P is the fast FPS resolution right now, 120hz, 144hz and even 200hz monitors Shadow of Tomb Raider: FIRST PLACE on Graph: 3970x and 3960x: 114FPS Deus Ex Mankind Devided: First Place 9900KS: 117FPS, 3960X: 111FPS, 3970x: 113FPS Witcher 3: First Place 9900KS: 148FPS, 3960x and 3970x: 145FPS [again, no difference] Strange Brigade: First place 3950x: 174FPS, 3970x and 3960x: 170FPS [again no real difference] Formula 1: First place 10980XE: 147FPS, 3960x: 145FPS [just 2 FPS difference] The only game this CPU suffer are FarCry 5: First place 9900KS 133FPS, 3960x: 106FPS This engine is known to hate AMD CPUs, first 5 tops CPUs on the graph are Intel
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Aquila
I learned my lesson on Extreme Edition back in the Pentium 4 EE days. Cost me a small fortune and then shortly after had its butt kicked by the relatively cheap Core 2 Duo. Middle of the road ever since, e. g. Core 2 Duo and then Quad, 2500K, 2700X, 3700X. I only do digital audio workstation stuff as a hobby. Time is not money for me. I game too, but these days finding as game I like is as hard as finding a movie I like. Lots of movies are like hardware too, e. g, refreshes of old stuff like the Skylake X. I like to keep up with the news so I do not get caught out again like I did with P4EE. Just got home here in Auckland, NZ from day surgery and being under general anesthetic. The first thing I think of doing is booting up the PC and catching up on the Threadripper news. Sad. :D
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I learned my lesson on Extreme Edition back in the Pentium 4 EE days. Cost me a small fortune and then shortly after had its butt kicked by the relatively cheap Core 2 Duo. Middle of the road ever since, e. g. Core 2 Duo and then Quad, 2500K, 2700X, 3700X. I only do digital audio workstation stuff as a hobby. Time is not money for me. I game too, but these days finding as game I like is as hard as finding a movie I like. Lots of movies are like hardware too, e. g, refreshes of old stuff like the Skylake X. I like to keep up with the news so I do not get caught out again like I did with P4EE. Just got home here in Auckland, NZ from day surgery and being under general anesthetic. The first thing I think of doing is booting up the PC and catching up on the Threadripper news. Sad. :D
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Charlie.H
I just wonder whether we can disable some of the cores and make the rest cores boost to a higher clock speed. There are reasons behind this demand. First, for rendering, texture baking, rebuilding scene lighting, compiling and other stuffs require more cores. However, some of the work still needs higher frequency instead of core count like real time physics cloth simulation like Marvelous Designer and if you are a level artist, you are gonna compose your assets directly inside game engines, normally game engines require high frequency and probably 6-8 cores is enough for game engine to utilize.
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I just wonder whether we can disable some of the cores and make the rest cores boost to a higher clock speed. There are reasons behind this demand. First, for rendering, texture baking, rebuilding scene lighting, compiling and other stuffs require more cores. However, some of the work still needs higher frequency instead of core count like real time physics cloth simulation like Marvelous Designer and if you are a level artist, you are gonna compose your assets directly inside game engines, normally game engines require high frequency and probably 6-8 cores is enough for game engine to utilize.
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Championship
Thanks for your reviews on a busy day. I am using a delidded 7900X CPU now 4. 3 Ghz. In looking at the benchmarks, it seems the 10980XE overclocked to 4. 9GHz was at the top of most of the tests. How easy was it to get this overclock and is it stable? I have always considered the Intel HEDT CPUs to require an overclock to be worth the money. So, if I can get a 4. 9GHz overclock on normal liquid cooling I see the 10980XE as a good drop in upgrade to my 7900X. Your thoughts? Thanks.
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Thanks for your reviews on a busy day. I am using a delidded 7900X CPU now 4. 3 Ghz. In looking at the benchmarks, it seems the 10980XE overclocked to 4. 9GHz was at the top of most of the tests. How easy was it to get this overclock and is it stable? I have always considered the Intel HEDT CPUs to require an overclock to be worth the money. So, if I can get a 4. 9GHz overclock on normal liquid cooling I see the 10980XE as a good drop in upgrade to my 7900X. Your thoughts? Thanks.
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MaxxTheEnder
so if money wasn't a concern, I would build a server with a TR 3990X, fill all RAM slots with 16GB sticks XMP'd, and a Titan RTX if a game I want to run for a server with my friends requires a GPU, and since money is of no concern then screw it, buy the 3, 200 GPU (I haven't checked price since launch and memory is fuzzy) 4TB worth of NVMe SSDs, and a bunch of WD Golds running in redundant raid configs, so i can record all the things
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so if money wasn't a concern, I would build a server with a TR 3990X, fill all RAM slots with 16GB sticks XMP'd, and a Titan RTX if a game I want to run for a server with my friends requires a GPU, and since money is of no concern then screw it, buy the 3, 200 GPU (I haven't checked price since launch and memory is fuzzy) 4TB worth of NVMe SSDs, and a bunch of WD Golds running in redundant raid configs, so i can record all the things
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Jebusfreek666
I'm currenty planning a homelab/all in one computer setup. I am trying to decide on 3960x vs. 3970x. I was wondering if you, or anyone, could comment on which would be better for gaming in between other projects. Currently planning on running 3 separate gaming windows 10 VMs at the same time. So it would either be 3x 6 core VM (3960x) or 3x 8 core VM (3970x, holding 25% back for the main OS and other side projects at the same time.
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I'm currenty planning a homelab/all in one computer setup. I am trying to decide on 3960x vs. 3970x. I was wondering if you, or anyone, could comment on which would be better for gaming in between other projects. Currently planning on running 3 separate gaming windows 10 VMs at the same time. So it would either be 3x 6 core VM (3960x) or 3x 8 core VM (3970x, holding 25% back for the main OS and other side projects at the same time.
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Tom
I have a double-take every time I look at the compression/decompression results, the first few computers I used were in the sub 0. 01 MIP range. Even the machines that were nominally multiuser. So seeing results reported in tens of thousands of MIPS is a slight disconnect every time I see it. I realize it isn't really measuring the same thing precisely, but it is still a drastic measure of how much computing power has changed in my lifetime.
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I have a double-take every time I look at the compression/decompression results, the first few computers I used were in the sub 0. 01 MIP range. Even the machines that were nominally multiuser. So seeing results reported in tens of thousands of MIPS is a slight disconnect every time I see it. I realize it isn't really measuring the same thing precisely, but it is still a drastic measure of how much computing power has changed in my lifetime.
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Baaki
Unrelated to the video, but are you guys willing to test if there are any appreciable differences between workstation and gaming GPUs when using the RTX Studio drivers? I recently read any article claiming better performance with Blender when using the Studio drivers, so I was curious if there were similar results with other workstation applications while using them. I'd be interested to know.
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Unrelated to the video, but are you guys willing to test if there are any appreciable differences between workstation and gaming GPUs when using the RTX Studio drivers? I recently read any article claiming better performance with Blender when using the Studio drivers, so I was curious if there were similar results with other workstation applications while using them. I'd be interested to know.
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