Intel Arc A770 16GB Limited Edition GPU Review & Benchmarks
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Date: 2022-10-05
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ctrlectrld
Still halfway through the video, but I got the gist and it's pretty much in line with what I expected. Then I see Linus' title and the apologetic BS-driven intro of his video, and Digital Foundry's these cards are actually great statement. Intel ARC will sell, and will sell very well, not only because the sheer amount of intellectually dishonest shills that permeate nowadays tech journalism, but also and mostly because there are a huge core of lifelong Intel customers that will splash on these cards no question asked. I am talking about all those people who bought Intel CPUs their whole life and paired it with Nvidia GPUs, their whole life. Those people would never switch to an AMD GPU (because usually in their mind AMD always was and always will be second grade hardware), but will instantly jump to an Intel one. So yea, I predict that ARC will actually do very well.
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Still halfway through the video, but I got the gist and it's pretty much in line with what I expected. Then I see Linus' title and the apologetic BS-driven intro of his video, and Digital Foundry's these cards are actually great statement. Intel ARC will sell, and will sell very well, not only because the sheer amount of intellectually dishonest shills that permeate nowadays tech journalism, but also and mostly because there are a huge core of lifelong Intel customers that will splash on these cards no question asked. I am talking about all those people who bought Intel CPUs their whole life and paired it with Nvidia GPUs, their whole life. Those people would never switch to an AMD GPU (because usually in their mind AMD always was and always will be second grade hardware), but will instantly jump to an Intel one. So yea, I predict that ARC will actually do very well.
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FallacyRaver
final edit: in 3 generations if Intel is competing like AMD is currently competing they will start charging closer to Nvidia sadly. Yes, competition is good but all 3 companies have shown they will price their products way too high cuz profit is their goal.
siege edit: was not aware GN updated their software for siege. makes sense I guess. benchmark is heckin broken on both of my systems, didn't try vulkan.
edit: I have a 1070 running perfectly fine in my PC. and a 950 backup if my 1070 starts having issues again.
Yes, I didn't need the title to know that an Intel GPU is going to cause issues. I still want it for MSRP. but I might wait for black Friday. no idea if they will drop price at all since it just launched.
I'll still bother with it. I'll probably be a good data point for an AMD build
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final edit: in 3 generations if Intel is competing like AMD is currently competing they will start charging closer to Nvidia sadly. Yes, competition is good but all 3 companies have shown they will price their products way too high cuz profit is their goal.
siege edit: was not aware GN updated their software for siege. makes sense I guess. benchmark is heckin broken on both of my systems, didn't try vulkan.
edit: I have a 1070 running perfectly fine in my PC. and a 950 backup if my 1070 starts having issues again.
Yes, I didn't need the title to know that an Intel GPU is going to cause issues. I still want it for MSRP. but I might wait for black Friday. no idea if they will drop price at all since it just launched.
I'll still bother with it. I'll probably be a good data point for an AMD build
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Illuminati
I am quite optimistic about this card, but as GN said, it seems on a software level it is not ready. The Vulkan tests really shows that the hardware itself could be competitive to a card that's double the price (3070), and no offense to AMD, but their drivers lag in API support (for example Vulkan 1.2), which alongside linux support it really matters for graphics programming enthusiasts (although not really important for general public).
Unfortunately, I get a strange vibe from Intel these days, as their public relation, marketing and sales department does not seem in sync with their engineering and software departments, leading to otherwise relatively good products (for their price) being rushed and badly presented.
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I am quite optimistic about this card, but as GN said, it seems on a software level it is not ready. The Vulkan tests really shows that the hardware itself could be competitive to a card that's double the price (3070), and no offense to AMD, but their drivers lag in API support (for example Vulkan 1.2), which alongside linux support it really matters for graphics programming enthusiasts (although not really important for general public).
Unfortunately, I get a strange vibe from Intel these days, as their public relation, marketing and sales department does not seem in sync with their engineering and software departments, leading to otherwise relatively good products (for their price) being rushed and badly presented.
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smifffies
So if Intel fix their software/drivers fairly quickly, then in the entry level and mid range, AMD and Intel could force Nvidia either to drastically lowerr prices or force them out of mid range and lower range altogether. If there is enough of an uptake of these cards, allowing feedback for driver fixes, it could spell problems for Nvidia trying to shift last gen cards. The most amusing thing is, of the four reviews I have watched, two AMD CPU platforms and two Intel CPU platforms, the AMD CPU platforms appear to have fewer issue! Obviously this is based on very few games and all reviewers were time constrained, but minor embarrassment for Intel.
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So if Intel fix their software/drivers fairly quickly, then in the entry level and mid range, AMD and Intel could force Nvidia either to drastically lowerr prices or force them out of mid range and lower range altogether. If there is enough of an uptake of these cards, allowing feedback for driver fixes, it could spell problems for Nvidia trying to shift last gen cards. The most amusing thing is, of the four reviews I have watched, two AMD CPU platforms and two Intel CPU platforms, the AMD CPU platforms appear to have fewer issue! Obviously this is based on very few games and all reviewers were time constrained, but minor embarrassment for Intel.
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Telkota
Honestly, overall A770 doesn't seem too bad.
Gonna be looking out for the prices of the A750 and A770 here in Norway, cause mid-range AMD and Nvidia are quite high here imo.
(No founders Nvidia, 3060 starting at 392, 3070ti at 674. 6600XT starting at 407, 6700XT starting at 505. All after tax mind you)
So if Intel comes out here with a price quite competitive to those?
Yeah, I'll strongly consider one. my 1070 is 5 years old so the time for a new one is approaching.
No online store has listed any intel arcs yet, nor mentioned it, so still curious if it will launch here next week or not
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Honestly, overall A770 doesn't seem too bad.
Gonna be looking out for the prices of the A750 and A770 here in Norway, cause mid-range AMD and Nvidia are quite high here imo.
(No founders Nvidia, 3060 starting at 392, 3070ti at 674. 6600XT starting at 407, 6700XT starting at 505. All after tax mind you)
So if Intel comes out here with a price quite competitive to those?
Yeah, I'll strongly consider one. my 1070 is 5 years old so the time for a new one is approaching.
No online store has listed any intel arcs yet, nor mentioned it, so still curious if it will launch here next week or not
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Nick
Intel just releases their card. It's not like it's all bad. AMD had many driver issues when they first releases many of their cards just like Nvidia at times. I'm sure once the consumers start getting them, there should be new drivers coming out like all manufacturers
Give Intel time and they will straighten things out with drivers etc. You said it, AMD had driver issues for years. So don't be like it never happens.
We need I tel to continue and they will get there like everyone else. Now we have 3 GPU manufacturers and hopefully it will a least stay there. Let's hope so.
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Intel just releases their card. It's not like it's all bad. AMD had many driver issues when they first releases many of their cards just like Nvidia at times. I'm sure once the consumers start getting them, there should be new drivers coming out like all manufacturers
Give Intel time and they will straighten things out with drivers etc. You said it, AMD had driver issues for years. So don't be like it never happens.
We need I tel to continue and they will get there like everyone else. Now we have 3 GPU manufacturers and hopefully it will a least stay there. Let's hope so.
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hitempguy
Chicken and egg with any competitor trying to break into an industry.
The real question is, how much room does Intel have to reduce prices? As their initial product, they need quantity (revenue), not profit to show how successful the card is.
Then corporate overlord Intel gives more R&D money, and they become profit competitive over time.
Trying to make a profit at day one never works. One thing we aren't considering is OEM and PC builders. Intel may be able to sweetheart deal cpus and gpus with a discount to get the product out there.
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Chicken and egg with any competitor trying to break into an industry.
The real question is, how much room does Intel have to reduce prices? As their initial product, they need quantity (revenue), not profit to show how successful the card is.
Then corporate overlord Intel gives more R&D money, and they become profit competitive over time.
Trying to make a profit at day one never works. One thing we aren't considering is OEM and PC builders. Intel may be able to sweetheart deal cpus and gpus with a discount to get the product out there.
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Bub
So I have a question when they put graphics cards into computers why is the shroud and the fans and all the pretty sides of the card always facing down where you can't see it? I would think by now they would have listened to enough people so everything looks as good as it could when it's assembled. Because a lot of people stress out about the way their computer looks. For my self make it all black. Make the entire case pierced sheet metal with magnetic screens and I'm good and yes we have made one of these I do not know where it is now.
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So I have a question when they put graphics cards into computers why is the shroud and the fans and all the pretty sides of the card always facing down where you can't see it? I would think by now they would have listened to enough people so everything looks as good as it could when it's assembled. Because a lot of people stress out about the way their computer looks. For my self make it all black. Make the entire case pierced sheet metal with magnetic screens and I'm good and yes we have made one of these I do not know where it is now.
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Sebastian
Had a similar monitor not displaying issue when I first installed my 2070. Thankfully tried a few things before temporarily changing the monitor, because using a usb-c to hdmi dongle worked. After installing drivers it never happened again.
I'm really considering an a770 for my next build, because I really want there to be more competition with GPUs and I'm ready to vote with my wallet on that.
I also think that troubleshooting and beta testing can be fun sometimes...
EU pricing will be a major factor for me tho
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Had a similar monitor not displaying issue when I first installed my 2070. Thankfully tried a few things before temporarily changing the monitor, because using a usb-c to hdmi dongle worked. After installing drivers it never happened again.
I'm really considering an a770 for my next build, because I really want there to be more competition with GPUs and I'm ready to vote with my wallet on that.
I also think that troubleshooting and beta testing can be fun sometimes...
EU pricing will be a major factor for me tho
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Vipast
I bought an A380 to test and play with, and returned it out of too many compatibility issues.. and I'm an enthusiasts. NO linux Support, so I can't use it for encoding on my Plex server. Wouldn't boot on X79 chipsets, and black screen on a 16x10 monitor on a ryzen system. I just got fed up and sent it back. I really wanted a A310 for a few linux boxes but no current Linux support so I guess my plans to use ARC for Half-Height / 1 slot card is shot.. GG ARC not even good enough for home labs.
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I bought an A380 to test and play with, and returned it out of too many compatibility issues.. and I'm an enthusiasts. NO linux Support, so I can't use it for encoding on my Plex server. Wouldn't boot on X79 chipsets, and black screen on a 16x10 monitor on a ryzen system. I just got fed up and sent it back. I really wanted a A310 for a few linux boxes but no current Linux support so I guess my plans to use ARC for Half-Height / 1 slot card is shot.. GG ARC not even good enough for home labs.
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Danil
im little surprised - VR games not included to testing?
VR games render 2 frames from two game cameras, and requires support of high speed frame swap for VR and no lag rendering (I forgot how this extension called in graphic API)
(and shader compiling time very important for VR games)
VR is very important to show how good GPU actually is, and VR games exist...
(especially since most of VR games is DX9-11 Unity or UE engine, and Intel have troubles with old graphics API)
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im little surprised - VR games not included to testing?
VR games render 2 frames from two game cameras, and requires support of high speed frame swap for VR and no lag rendering (I forgot how this extension called in graphic API)
(and shader compiling time very important for VR games)
VR is very important to show how good GPU actually is, and VR games exist...
(especially since most of VR games is DX9-11 Unity or UE engine, and Intel have troubles with old graphics API)
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Armchair
So in essence: they couldn't hope to capitalize on them releasing on the same day as Nvidia does release their 4090. I think it's genuinely down to DX games using generic code paths when they encounter Intel GPUs. I think this will remain an issue for a long while, even with improved optimization, for older games. Overall, it could turn out, that Intel runs out of Steam in their quest for achieving some form of parity.
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So in essence: they couldn't hope to capitalize on them releasing on the same day as Nvidia does release their 4090. I think it's genuinely down to DX games using generic code paths when they encounter Intel GPUs. I think this will remain an issue for a long while, even with improved optimization, for older games. Overall, it could turn out, that Intel runs out of Steam in their quest for achieving some form of parity.
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AaronShenghao
Hummm
Linus: Not great but Please buy Intel if you are ok to with troubleshooting.
Jayz: ok.
GN: big oof.
I am getting a bit confused message here
I think GN is using a master s grading rubric grading a college graduate s work, a bit too harsh. Certainly not a card for the novice to PC building and I don t think Intel angled it towards that. (No OEM should have this card intended for gaming)
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Hummm
Linus: Not great but Please buy Intel if you are ok to with troubleshooting.
Jayz: ok.
GN: big oof.
I am getting a bit confused message here
I think GN is using a master s grading rubric grading a college graduate s work, a bit too harsh. Certainly not a card for the novice to PC building and I don t think Intel angled it towards that. (No OEM should have this card intended for gaming)
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lucasm
The lacking performance in older APIs makes me wonder if there'd be a significant difference when using DXVK.
It's a wrapper for DirectX 9-11 to Vulkan, usually only used in Wine on Linux but there are some games that benefit from it even on Windows (notably it massively reduces GTA IV's stutters).
I think it's worth a test at the very least on some of these benchmarks that completely failed.
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The lacking performance in older APIs makes me wonder if there'd be a significant difference when using DXVK.
It's a wrapper for DirectX 9-11 to Vulkan, usually only used in Wine on Linux but there are some games that benefit from it even on Windows (notably it massively reduces GTA IV's stutters).
I think it's worth a test at the very least on some of these benchmarks that completely failed.
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Digi20
Seeing that i can perform in some titles, and the fact that it doesnt seem to be bottlenecked in higher resolutions shows the underlying architecture seems to be quite competetive. but those driver issues are a huge no go. when i upgrade from a 1060, i dont want to buy a lottery ticket that sometimes is 3 times as fast, other times is even slower than my 6 year old midrange card.
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Seeing that i can perform in some titles, and the fact that it doesnt seem to be bottlenecked in higher resolutions shows the underlying architecture seems to be quite competetive. but those driver issues are a huge no go. when i upgrade from a 1060, i dont want to buy a lottery ticket that sometimes is 3 times as fast, other times is even slower than my 6 year old midrange card.
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