Friendship With Emacs Is Over, Vim Is My Best Friend DistroTube
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Date: 2022-03-30
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Patrick
I've been a vim user for many years and switched to Spacemacs just a little bit more than a year ago. Spacemacs is a bit slower to startup, but with emacsclient that's solves. Everything else is emacs winning hands down. Vim is a just an editor, right... and that is its main limitation. What I like of Vim is the modal editing mindset, and Spacemacs supports that 100%. On top of that you get things that to even just get working in vim you have to sweet blood... Things like: projects management, code completion, inline documentation, access to external tools (e.g. ripgrep)... Not to mention magit, shell, orgmode and mu4e.
Regarding keybindings I find Spacemacs very consistent and intuitive. I did not have the same feeling when I did try doom emacs. On top of that, when you don't know a command or a shortcut in emacs you find it in no time thanks to the super useful documentation and introspection... In vim... You just spend hours googling for it around.
Bottom line: I don't think I'll ever -gravitate- back to Vim quite soon. At least not as my main editor. While I'm still happy to use it whenever I log it to a new machine or an embedded device just for some fast and furious file retouching ;)
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I've been a vim user for many years and switched to Spacemacs just a little bit more than a year ago. Spacemacs is a bit slower to startup, but with emacsclient that's solves. Everything else is emacs winning hands down. Vim is a just an editor, right... and that is its main limitation. What I like of Vim is the modal editing mindset, and Spacemacs supports that 100%. On top of that you get things that to even just get working in vim you have to sweet blood... Things like: projects management, code completion, inline documentation, access to external tools (e.g. ripgrep)... Not to mention magit, shell, orgmode and mu4e.
Regarding keybindings I find Spacemacs very consistent and intuitive. I did not have the same feeling when I did try doom emacs. On top of that, when you don't know a command or a shortcut in emacs you find it in no time thanks to the super useful documentation and introspection... In vim... You just spend hours googling for it around.
Bottom line: I don't think I'll ever -gravitate- back to Vim quite soon. At least not as my main editor. While I'm still happy to use it whenever I log it to a new machine or an embedded device just for some fast and furious file retouching ;)
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Luis
Before I ever touched Linux I was a gear-head. I rebuilt three different cars with my dad's help; 62VW, 69FB, 72GTO. The dad lesson I keep to this day is to have a quality toolkit and each tool should do one thing extremely well. That's Unix/Linux at the CLI. There are dozens of tools that I can string together in any way I want. Emacs IS excellent but I don't need another OS with apps, I already have Linux/GNU. The other thing is as a former soldier I want my tools standardized. I want to be able to jump on a Linux system (or FreeBSD), any Linux system, and use the default tools to get things done; a TM (bash, csh), Vi, and the GNU toolset.
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Before I ever touched Linux I was a gear-head. I rebuilt three different cars with my dad's help; 62VW, 69FB, 72GTO. The dad lesson I keep to this day is to have a quality toolkit and each tool should do one thing extremely well. That's Unix/Linux at the CLI. There are dozens of tools that I can string together in any way I want. Emacs IS excellent but I don't need another OS with apps, I already have Linux/GNU. The other thing is as a former soldier I want my tools standardized. I want to be able to jump on a Linux system (or FreeBSD), any Linux system, and use the default tools to get things done; a TM (bash, csh), Vi, and the GNU toolset.
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Thenowhereman42
I finally tried Doom Emacs after a couple weeks of struggling with my Nvim config trying to get it to do all the fancy QoL stuff VS Code does and still not really implementing it how I wanted to. It took me like an hour in Emacs, and I only had to add one package that wasn't already in the Doom .init file. So now I use Emacs. I still use Vim for editing random config files, and while ssh'd into remote machines. But when I want to do some serious text editing or dev work I use Emacs.
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I finally tried Doom Emacs after a couple weeks of struggling with my Nvim config trying to get it to do all the fancy QoL stuff VS Code does and still not really implementing it how I wanted to. It took me like an hour in Emacs, and I only had to add one package that wasn't already in the Doom .init file. So now I use Emacs. I still use Vim for editing random config files, and while ssh'd into remote machines. But when I want to do some serious text editing or dev work I use Emacs.
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H-i
I would say use right tool for the job, if you just need an editor to config your WM or you ssh to a server vim is there and it fast as hell, but if you do more complex task like coding and stuff, those -bloat- can actually become really handy. Don't get me wrong that vim can't use to write code I was using it like alot, but when come to eco system and language support, vim plugin are no where close to what emacs package had to offers
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I would say use right tool for the job, if you just need an editor to config your WM or you ssh to a server vim is there and it fast as hell, but if you do more complex task like coding and stuff, those -bloat- can actually become really handy. Don't get me wrong that vim can't use to write code I was using it like alot, but when come to eco system and language support, vim plugin are no where close to what emacs package had to offers
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Peter
For development and productivity, I like Vim better. But I just love Org-Mode. I have a persistent scratchpad on Emacs with Org-Mode enabled that auto-backups which I use on a daily basis (for TODO lists and all kinds of notes). I like Emacs because it is like having your own little world that you can shape however you want. I just like having it around even if I never do anything with it.
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For development and productivity, I like Vim better. But I just love Org-Mode. I have a persistent scratchpad on Emacs with Org-Mode enabled that auto-backups which I use on a daily basis (for TODO lists and all kinds of notes). I like Emacs because it is like having your own little world that you can shape however you want. I just like having it around even if I never do anything with it.
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it_industry
To be fair, you tried hard to make Emacs be Vim like with keybindings etc., so you really did not give plain Emacs a shot, you were trying to recreate Vim, something it-s not better at doing than Vim itself. I understand the rest of your points though and ultimately why I end up back to Vim or at least to vim-emulation in whatever IDE I have to use
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To be fair, you tried hard to make Emacs be Vim like with keybindings etc., so you really did not give plain Emacs a shot, you were trying to recreate Vim, something it-s not better at doing than Vim itself. I understand the rest of your points though and ultimately why I end up back to Vim or at least to vim-emulation in whatever IDE I have to use
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David
As you said before: it takes time to get into Emacs. Probably quite a bit more than six months.
After I had used Emacs for a few years, I couldn't leave that environment. Yes, the default keybindings are detrimental to hands.
I am of course Vim-ing at times, but the power of Emacs lures me back. Especially in remote shelling situations.
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As you said before: it takes time to get into Emacs. Probably quite a bit more than six months.
After I had used Emacs for a few years, I couldn't leave that environment. Yes, the default keybindings are detrimental to hands.
I am of course Vim-ing at times, but the power of Emacs lures me back. Especially in remote shelling situations.
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Owen
Your Doom videos were a part of me putting in the effort to make the switch from vim, and I'm never looking back. Admittedly, I'm a lisper, so it's like discovering water as a fish. Thanks for your experiment, was valuable to me!
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Your Doom videos were a part of me putting in the effort to make the switch from vim, and I'm never looking back. Admittedly, I'm a lisper, so it's like discovering water as a fish. Thanks for your experiment, was valuable to me!
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Gabriel
Emacs is a self-documentating software, so you can search for the docs inside emacs and it will show the correct keybindings, the ones which you have configured. The help functions C-h f, C-h v, C-h k, etc are really helpful
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Emacs is a self-documentating software, so you can search for the docs inside emacs and it will show the correct keybindings, the ones which you have configured. The help functions C-h f, C-h v, C-h k, etc are really helpful
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Frog
Your terminal toolbox is exactly what emacs is, but emacs is scripted with lisp instead of bash. Emacs does one thing well, act as a lisp REPL. It follows the unix philsophy as much as the python interpreter follows it.
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Your terminal toolbox is exactly what emacs is, but emacs is scripted with lisp instead of bash. Emacs does one thing well, act as a lisp REPL. It follows the unix philsophy as much as the python interpreter follows it.
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