Unfettered Freedom, Ep. 6 - Edge Isn't FOSS, Ubuntu Alternative, Patent Trolls, Clem, FSF Awards DistroTube
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Date: 2022-03-30
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Austin
I kinda agree with how mint handled snaps tbh. The issue isn-t that they are proprietary (though it was certainly a factor) but that they made an important deb package install a snap. Ubuntu wanted to be the half-jerk and stop packaging chromium for deb and only offer it through snap but they didn-t want to be the whole-jerk by telling people that chromium was no longer available as a deb. They let installing through apt work by installing through proprietary means. Mint and other Ubuntu based distributions now have no choice but to accept Ubuntu-s proprietary snap store or be the other half of the jerk Ubuntu wasn-t willing to be. Mint chose to be the other half of the jerk so their users don-t trade away their freedom of availability of deb packages for the convenience of a normal install. If Ubuntu had either a normal deb package for chromium or had just removed chromium from the repos rather than having a package that installs the snap mint wouldn-t have done anything.
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I kinda agree with how mint handled snaps tbh. The issue isn-t that they are proprietary (though it was certainly a factor) but that they made an important deb package install a snap. Ubuntu wanted to be the half-jerk and stop packaging chromium for deb and only offer it through snap but they didn-t want to be the whole-jerk by telling people that chromium was no longer available as a deb. They let installing through apt work by installing through proprietary means. Mint and other Ubuntu based distributions now have no choice but to accept Ubuntu-s proprietary snap store or be the other half of the jerk Ubuntu wasn-t willing to be. Mint chose to be the other half of the jerk so their users don-t trade away their freedom of availability of deb packages for the convenience of a normal install. If Ubuntu had either a normal deb package for chromium or had just removed chromium from the repos rather than having a package that installs the snap mint wouldn-t have done anything.
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Stora
Great show DT. I do not like snaps. They're great for developers because it makes it easy to package software for Linux. But the fact that the backend is proprietary worries me. Because why is it not open source? I don't trust corporations. Every corporation started out like Canonical, with good and pure intentions. But then money started rolling in and they became greedy. So let's say that maybe one day, Google contacted Canonical and said -We're willing to pay you guys $500 million. All you gotta do is include this piece of telemetry script into your Chromium snap package-. That's what happens with corporations, and you know it'll happen with Canonical. Question is not if, but when.
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Great show DT. I do not like snaps. They're great for developers because it makes it easy to package software for Linux. But the fact that the backend is proprietary worries me. Because why is it not open source? I don't trust corporations. Every corporation started out like Canonical, with good and pure intentions. But then money started rolling in and they became greedy. So let's say that maybe one day, Google contacted Canonical and said -We're willing to pay you guys $500 million. All you gotta do is include this piece of telemetry script into your Chromium snap package-. That's what happens with corporations, and you know it'll happen with Canonical. Question is not if, but when.
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augusto
you seem so aggressive lately. you've been calling out your users in public when they don't understand something, and this whole linux foundation this... i agree that the head of the LF should use linux, but it sounds a bit overreacting to say it's a fiasco. about the documents, they probably don't do them themselves, they probabbly hire pr / marketing firm that makes this documents, and seeing the head of the LF use an ipad 2 over 4 years is nothing. maybe his laptop broke, or something. it's not enough to call him a fanboy
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you seem so aggressive lately. you've been calling out your users in public when they don't understand something, and this whole linux foundation this... i agree that the head of the LF should use linux, but it sounds a bit overreacting to say it's a fiasco. about the documents, they probably don't do them themselves, they probabbly hire pr / marketing firm that makes this documents, and seeing the head of the LF use an ipad 2 over 4 years is nothing. maybe his laptop broke, or something. it's not enough to call him a fanboy
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Jason
My only problem with Derek's stance - and this comes from fellow firefox user - is that NOT ONCE does he ever mention in this video that chromIUM is 100% open source. Many people in the free software community don't like google and they too will obfuscate the facts in order to steer people away from their products. I personally think that chromium with ublock origin or ungoogled-chromium are still very good privacy-respecting browsers that should be mentioned.
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My only problem with Derek's stance - and this comes from fellow firefox user - is that NOT ONCE does he ever mention in this video that chromIUM is 100% open source. Many people in the free software community don't like google and they too will obfuscate the facts in order to steer people away from their products. I personally think that chromium with ublock origin or ungoogled-chromium are still very good privacy-respecting browsers that should be mentioned.
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Matthias
Couple of heads up Google, IBM, Intel plus tons of others contributed millions of lines of code specifically to the Linux kernel. It wouldn't exist without them.
Look at GNU Hurd and FreeBSD, then you can see how far 'pure' OS can come.
Lots of the people working at these companies are open source heads as well and they are rooting in their own company to support it: AMDs graphics division is a stellar example for this. No companies, no success.
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Couple of heads up Google, IBM, Intel plus tons of others contributed millions of lines of code specifically to the Linux kernel. It wouldn't exist without them.
Look at GNU Hurd and FreeBSD, then you can see how far 'pure' OS can come.
Lots of the people working at these companies are open source heads as well and they are rooting in their own company to support it: AMDs graphics division is a stellar example for this. No companies, no success.
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Morality124
The attempt to redefine open source with obfuscation has been going on for awhile, with things like -open core- (Mac OS X and Darwin being one of the first examples), and VSCode trying to blur the line with the falsehood that you can call a project that releases only proprietary binaries truly open-source. This is definitely a marketing subversion tactic to excuse further violations of the long-running open-source/free-libre software definitions.
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The attempt to redefine open source with obfuscation has been going on for awhile, with things like -open core- (Mac OS X and Darwin being one of the first examples), and VSCode trying to blur the line with the falsehood that you can call a project that releases only proprietary binaries truly open-source. This is definitely a marketing subversion tactic to excuse further violations of the long-running open-source/free-libre software definitions.
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SimGunther
2:17 IMO obfuscated open source code (like any major open source project, including the Linux Kernel) is 100x worse to maintain than -proprietary garbage-. There can be great open source projects/bad -proprietary garbage- and vice versa, but I'm just saying just because a project is closed source doesn't automatically -proprietary garbage-.
Please let's enforce a maintainability standard so all open source projects can benefit.
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2:17 IMO obfuscated open source code (like any major open source project, including the Linux Kernel) is 100x worse to maintain than -proprietary garbage-. There can be great open source projects/bad -proprietary garbage- and vice versa, but I'm just saying just because a project is closed source doesn't automatically -proprietary garbage-.
Please let's enforce a maintainability standard so all open source projects can benefit.
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Jason
For people who don't know too much about proprietary vs free software licenses, arch with the AUR is the worst linux distro in that regard. You may think you will be using -free software-, but then you will end up installing slack, spotify, davinci resolve, google chrome, the proprietary version of vscode all from the AUR.
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For people who don't know too much about proprietary vs free software licenses, arch with the AUR is the worst linux distro in that regard. You may think you will be using -free software-, but then you will end up installing slack, spotify, davinci resolve, google chrome, the proprietary version of vscode all from the AUR.
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Jo-o
Google Chrome has a feature that has me still using it: profiles! Yes, I know Firefox has it too but it is not as quite intuitive as it is on Chrome. On my daily routine, the flexibility given perform miracles. Is there any way to seemlessly sync extensions, bookmarks, history, etc on multiple devices on Firefox?
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Google Chrome has a feature that has me still using it: profiles! Yes, I know Firefox has it too but it is not as quite intuitive as it is on Chrome. On my daily routine, the flexibility given perform miracles. Is there any way to seemlessly sync extensions, bookmarks, history, etc on multiple devices on Firefox?
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dr3ambig
So, if a software developer create open source software, but put a price for that software, because the developer believes he deserve to get paid for his time and effort to create the software, that software automatically becomes proprietary garbage? That is absolute nonsense!
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So, if a software developer create open source software, but put a price for that software, because the developer believes he deserve to get paid for his time and effort to create the software, that software automatically becomes proprietary garbage? That is absolute nonsense!
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