Keep Politics Out Of Free And Open Source Software DistroTube
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Date: 2022-03-30
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Nerothos
Except -political agendas- around inclusivity and making sure people from all walks of life have access to the education and knowledge required to actually use free and open source software are obviously still relevant. Middle aged white dudes love to pretend that putting -free- software out there automatically makes it accessible to everyone by definition, but that is just not the case. They also like to pretend like context isn't a thing and that everything exists in a black/white vacuum. Inequality in the real world significantly hinders billions of people from making use of said software in any meaningful way.
In regards to -being confused- about people bringing up women's rights in a discussion about open source software-maybe that's just because you... aren't a woman and simply aren't aware of how those issues overlap for women? Maybe instead of having a knee-jerk reaction to issues that aren't about you it would be more productive to take a step back and actually listen to people who are way more qualified than you do about certain topics? There are still countries that don't even allow women to drive. How much of a chance to you think those same women have to spend their time learning about the benefits of open software? Probably not very high, is probably your guess.
So, while issues of inequality are perhaps not -directly- related to free and open source software, fighting against whatever gatekeeping mechanisms prevent people from actually using it is (and should be) one of the primary goals for anyone pushing towards an open and transparent infrastructure. What's the point of something being -free and open- if your end-goal isn't to provide access for everyone?
If handling overlapping issues is too hard for you and/or just something you don't want to bother with personally, that's perfectly fine. Telling other people to keep efforts to bridge those gaps -out of free and open source software- is not. I genuinely feel like people saying -politics don't belong in X- have already made up their minds long ago to the point of applying zero critical thinking in regards to what people are actually talking about. The empowerment that comes with being a software engineer and having the required knowledge to both use and contribute to tools that enrich humanity is inherently tied to any and all politics that deal with global equality whether you like it or not.
I'm honestly just curious what you people are so afraid of, exactly? Being slightly bothered by issues that don't directly apply to you personally? Because complaining about foundations spending money on welcoming people who otherwise wouldn't engage in the open source software community is a pretty pathetic and needlessly heavy-handed way of dealing with it. Maybe you should be happy that more people are becoming interested in the software you allegedly want to spread instead of feeling threatened by them because of vague notions of -please let me avoid the hard questions-. But of course you won't; you're perfectly fine being in a comfortable male-dominated space that represents people who walk, talk and act like you instead of actually being challenged in any meaningful way. Sorry if that comes across as hostile, but I'm just tired of seeing this boilerplate rhetoric repeated over and over again. None of you are saying anything. You're just plugging your ears and hoping the world will stop bothering you. And then you complain about -safe spaces-. Hmmmmm -
Anyway that's my unpopular opinion that no one in this comment section wants to read and reply to in good faith, peace!
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Except -political agendas- around inclusivity and making sure people from all walks of life have access to the education and knowledge required to actually use free and open source software are obviously still relevant. Middle aged white dudes love to pretend that putting -free- software out there automatically makes it accessible to everyone by definition, but that is just not the case. They also like to pretend like context isn't a thing and that everything exists in a black/white vacuum. Inequality in the real world significantly hinders billions of people from making use of said software in any meaningful way.
In regards to -being confused- about people bringing up women's rights in a discussion about open source software-maybe that's just because you... aren't a woman and simply aren't aware of how those issues overlap for women? Maybe instead of having a knee-jerk reaction to issues that aren't about you it would be more productive to take a step back and actually listen to people who are way more qualified than you do about certain topics? There are still countries that don't even allow women to drive. How much of a chance to you think those same women have to spend their time learning about the benefits of open software? Probably not very high, is probably your guess.
So, while issues of inequality are perhaps not -directly- related to free and open source software, fighting against whatever gatekeeping mechanisms prevent people from actually using it is (and should be) one of the primary goals for anyone pushing towards an open and transparent infrastructure. What's the point of something being -free and open- if your end-goal isn't to provide access for everyone?
If handling overlapping issues is too hard for you and/or just something you don't want to bother with personally, that's perfectly fine. Telling other people to keep efforts to bridge those gaps -out of free and open source software- is not. I genuinely feel like people saying -politics don't belong in X- have already made up their minds long ago to the point of applying zero critical thinking in regards to what people are actually talking about. The empowerment that comes with being a software engineer and having the required knowledge to both use and contribute to tools that enrich humanity is inherently tied to any and all politics that deal with global equality whether you like it or not.
I'm honestly just curious what you people are so afraid of, exactly? Being slightly bothered by issues that don't directly apply to you personally? Because complaining about foundations spending money on welcoming people who otherwise wouldn't engage in the open source software community is a pretty pathetic and needlessly heavy-handed way of dealing with it. Maybe you should be happy that more people are becoming interested in the software you allegedly want to spread instead of feeling threatened by them because of vague notions of -please let me avoid the hard questions-. But of course you won't; you're perfectly fine being in a comfortable male-dominated space that represents people who walk, talk and act like you instead of actually being challenged in any meaningful way. Sorry if that comes across as hostile, but I'm just tired of seeing this boilerplate rhetoric repeated over and over again. None of you are saying anything. You're just plugging your ears and hoping the world will stop bothering you. And then you complain about -safe spaces-. Hmmmmm -
Anyway that's my unpopular opinion that no one in this comment section wants to read and reply to in good faith, peace!
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bluephreakr
The irony is, open source has no room for no, so long commits are valid and serve their intended purpose for a particular project. Because of that, persons are trying to exclude valid submissions by individuals they disagree with, or even outright _re-committing_ with their code so their contribution does not bear their name. When the idea for open source is _everyone_ contributing, that really does mean _everyone._
There are all kinds of individuals where based upon their past, would have their contributions invalidated or outright stolen by -Ethical source- movements, which would be _by itself_ an unethical thing to do. We've got to remember, these -Ethical coding- people are the same lot which would refuse to even see commits from persons they know are felons, even though California has this thing called -The Last Mile- for prisoners to develop programming skills which can permit them to contribute for society, in a socially-acceptable manner, and even in an _anonymous_ fashion.
Everyone _is not_ everyone with exceptions.
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The irony is, open source has no room for no, so long commits are valid and serve their intended purpose for a particular project. Because of that, persons are trying to exclude valid submissions by individuals they disagree with, or even outright _re-committing_ with their code so their contribution does not bear their name. When the idea for open source is _everyone_ contributing, that really does mean _everyone._
There are all kinds of individuals where based upon their past, would have their contributions invalidated or outright stolen by -Ethical source- movements, which would be _by itself_ an unethical thing to do. We've got to remember, these -Ethical coding- people are the same lot which would refuse to even see commits from persons they know are felons, even though California has this thing called -The Last Mile- for prisoners to develop programming skills which can permit them to contribute for society, in a socially-acceptable manner, and even in an _anonymous_ fashion.
Everyone _is not_ everyone with exceptions.
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hyper
All the comments of this video can be boiled down to;
-I didn't actually watch the video but uh... Free software is political! Everything is political! My life is politics!-
-You are a hypocrite because you previously made a video about gun rights! Checkmate, your new opinion is invalid because it contradicts your older more immature opinion!-
-Watch me play hopscotch around the political compass! Free software is community owned just like communism which is supported by people who also support social justice!-
-Heh, these SJWs are seething because they also support socialism which totally has nothing to do with free software.-
-I really don't care about this video do more software reviews please! :D-
How many logical fallacies do you count?
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All the comments of this video can be boiled down to;
-I didn't actually watch the video but uh... Free software is political! Everything is political! My life is politics!-
-You are a hypocrite because you previously made a video about gun rights! Checkmate, your new opinion is invalid because it contradicts your older more immature opinion!-
-Watch me play hopscotch around the political compass! Free software is community owned just like communism which is supported by people who also support social justice!-
-Heh, these SJWs are seething because they also support socialism which totally has nothing to do with free software.-
-I really don't care about this video do more software reviews please! :D-
How many logical fallacies do you count?
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Yoshii
Agreed, leave politics for the political. Forcing some pseudo-political or socio-political garbage into anything that does not revolve around politics is a recipe for disaster, see: a disturbingly-high number of colleges, universities, and even places of employment. In my opinion, I believe that any contributors or staff in FOSS who attempt to push such things into the ecosystem should be at least given a kind of time-out by the community, and fired or separated if they continue.
I got into FOSS because of the concept and the challenge, not to be preached at by randoms who abuse their positions within the community or ecosystem to make non-issues, issues.
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Agreed, leave politics for the political. Forcing some pseudo-political or socio-political garbage into anything that does not revolve around politics is a recipe for disaster, see: a disturbingly-high number of colleges, universities, and even places of employment. In my opinion, I believe that any contributors or staff in FOSS who attempt to push such things into the ecosystem should be at least given a kind of time-out by the community, and fired or separated if they continue.
I got into FOSS because of the concept and the challenge, not to be preached at by randoms who abuse their positions within the community or ecosystem to make non-issues, issues.
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StereoTypo
Believing that certain politics has no place in FOSS ignores it's inherently political nature.
If -DT truly thinks he can determine what areas of political activism are and are not acceptable within FOSS, he is ignorant of his own biases. Why should FOSS supporters be concerned with gun rights but not civil rights? I can understand the sentiment of wanting FOSS organizations and initiatives to be focused on a single goal but this doesn't reflect the reality of advocating for FOSS proliferation.
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Believing that certain politics has no place in FOSS ignores it's inherently political nature.
If -DT truly thinks he can determine what areas of political activism are and are not acceptable within FOSS, he is ignorant of his own biases. Why should FOSS supporters be concerned with gun rights but not civil rights? I can understand the sentiment of wanting FOSS organizations and initiatives to be focused on a single goal but this doesn't reflect the reality of advocating for FOSS proliferation.
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Zece
You don't understand why people can't keep their personal politics out of the FOSS community because you don't understand that SJWs infest anything they can to force it to their cause. They aren't here to be part of the FOSS movement. They're here to subvert the FOSS movement to their movement.
-And then 30 seconds later you mention some people by name who are there to exactly that, heh. This is why it's better to watch an entire video before commenting, but I'd forget the comment by the end.
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You don't understand why people can't keep their personal politics out of the FOSS community because you don't understand that SJWs infest anything they can to force it to their cause. They aren't here to be part of the FOSS movement. They're here to subvert the FOSS movement to their movement.
-And then 30 seconds later you mention some people by name who are there to exactly that, heh. This is why it's better to watch an entire video before commenting, but I'd forget the comment by the end.
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Conhecimento
How about you stop commenting on things you don't understand as you keep saying you dont understand or watch television but yet you talk alot. Standing up for the right thing is not political. Any company should always stand for the right thing, and if you dont like it, read or put your head in the sand, but dont speak about things you dont know.
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How about you stop commenting on things you don't understand as you keep saying you dont understand or watch television but yet you talk alot. Standing up for the right thing is not political. Any company should always stand for the right thing, and if you dont like it, read or put your head in the sand, but dont speak about things you dont know.
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ZonNoDon
Either keep politics out or fire people who try to put politics in!!!! Simple as that. No tolerance for snakes that live through abusing power to squash people they politically disagree with. And those such snakes should be fired on sight by these Software organizations, on mass. The sooner they're purged and blacklisted, the better!
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Either keep politics out or fire people who try to put politics in!!!! Simple as that. No tolerance for snakes that live through abusing power to squash people they politically disagree with. And those such snakes should be fired on sight by these Software organizations, on mass. The sooner they're purged and blacklisted, the better!
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Sammydepresso
Whos gonna tell him.
FOSS was started by anti goverment communists and anarchists.
And FOSS has helped minorites stay safe from the goverment in bigoted countries.
On top of that its anti censorship and pro privacy.
God reactionaries are fing dumb
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Whos gonna tell him.
FOSS was started by anti goverment communists and anarchists.
And FOSS has helped minorites stay safe from the goverment in bigoted countries.
On top of that its anti censorship and pro privacy.
God reactionaries are fing dumb
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Neil
One of the best talks on Open Source I have heard for quite a while. Lots of very good causes out there but keep the Open Source community focused on what it is good at - creating, maintaining and promoting free software. We should all take heed. Very well said !!!
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One of the best talks on Open Source I have heard for quite a while. Lots of very good causes out there but keep the Open Source community focused on what it is good at - creating, maintaining and promoting free software. We should all take heed. Very well said !!!
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