People That Say -Linux Is Hard- Make Me Laugh DistroTube
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Date: 2022-03-30
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Cezar
I hate to tell you this but systems like Android, MacOs, Windows or Linux won their fans by usability. And only by Usability. Not by price, not by preinstalled, not by any other means.
First my own chronological experience with computers: VIC-20, PET 1, C128, Amiga 1200, 386, 486, Pentiums, AMD FX, Ryzen 3700x, iMac 19,1 and finally iMac M1. Motorola V3, Samsung Note I, II, ... and various Tablets. Up to the A1200 systems were implemented. From 386 ongoing I used Windows and Linux and now also MacOs with the Apples. Mobiles and tablets on Android.
Well, in the last 40 years I gained all the development and evolution of usability for using a computer. The most pleasant experience was from keyboard to joystick to mouse and finger gestures. All OSes have now a much better usability but Linux. Linux stubbornly still praises the holly Terminal and the klingon abbreviations, syntax discrepancies from one order/editor to another, mouse, printers or sound are still very new features and more than 16 colors are bah! (I remember how difficult it was to implement and properly activate/use any printer, the mouse and the sound were an extra implementation every time, etc.)
What do want/need/demand billions of normal users from their devices: Usability! Finger gestures, mouse klick, hold and drop combinations all learned in seconds with immediate responds from intuitive systems. In all these points Linux is the last in competition. I guess VR and AR will ever more impose gestures for using the medium.
What do want system/server admins from their devices: full control of everything on their machines, security given by cryptic languages, diversity of OS up to one programmer has his own unique OS. Linux is the perfect tool for these people.
But there is also a perfect Linux distro for the normies: Android. It's intuitive and has the Usability!
P.S. my most liked Linux Distros are AntergOs, Modicia OS and elementary OS.
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I hate to tell you this but systems like Android, MacOs, Windows or Linux won their fans by usability. And only by Usability. Not by price, not by preinstalled, not by any other means.
First my own chronological experience with computers: VIC-20, PET 1, C128, Amiga 1200, 386, 486, Pentiums, AMD FX, Ryzen 3700x, iMac 19,1 and finally iMac M1. Motorola V3, Samsung Note I, II, ... and various Tablets. Up to the A1200 systems were implemented. From 386 ongoing I used Windows and Linux and now also MacOs with the Apples. Mobiles and tablets on Android.
Well, in the last 40 years I gained all the development and evolution of usability for using a computer. The most pleasant experience was from keyboard to joystick to mouse and finger gestures. All OSes have now a much better usability but Linux. Linux stubbornly still praises the holly Terminal and the klingon abbreviations, syntax discrepancies from one order/editor to another, mouse, printers or sound are still very new features and more than 16 colors are bah! (I remember how difficult it was to implement and properly activate/use any printer, the mouse and the sound were an extra implementation every time, etc.)
What do want/need/demand billions of normal users from their devices: Usability! Finger gestures, mouse klick, hold and drop combinations all learned in seconds with immediate responds from intuitive systems. In all these points Linux is the last in competition. I guess VR and AR will ever more impose gestures for using the medium.
What do want system/server admins from their devices: full control of everything on their machines, security given by cryptic languages, diversity of OS up to one programmer has his own unique OS. Linux is the perfect tool for these people.
But there is also a perfect Linux distro for the normies: Android. It's intuitive and has the Usability!
P.S. my most liked Linux Distros are AntergOs, Modicia OS and elementary OS.
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bslay4r
In the last few days I tried a bunch of Linux distros (the last time I touched Linux was in -2000, trying to run Q3 on Suse as a bet). In the end I realized that it's not for me because for my work I need two programs and they exist only on Windows and with Wine/Playonlinux/Bottles altought I managed to run them they consume way more memory than on Windows (for some reason) and they run buggy because of X11/Wayland (in different ways). Also I need postgresql installed on the machine for a database. I tried to setup postgresql on Ubuntu, Fedora and Clear Linux (Intel linux) and I only succeeded on Ubuntu, on the other two I would've to tinker with config files I don't have the time and the patience to do so. On Windows setting up postgresql is basically just clicking next-next-next...
In my short -journey- I concluded that Linux is good and easy while you do the basic tasks, web browsing, text editing, watching movies, listening to music (maybe games? I haven't tried games). But as soon as I step outside of this -bubble- things start to get interesting. And I used the terminal most of the time because the pre-installed app-stores are a joke.
I like very much the Ubuntu Gnome desktop (I know you hate it) but it just doesn't worth the hassle.
So Linux is not -hard- because it's hard to install altought installing Ubuntu on a machine with 3 SSDs and 8+ partitions wasn't as streamlined as with Windows... But it's not about the installation.
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In the last few days I tried a bunch of Linux distros (the last time I touched Linux was in -2000, trying to run Q3 on Suse as a bet). In the end I realized that it's not for me because for my work I need two programs and they exist only on Windows and with Wine/Playonlinux/Bottles altought I managed to run them they consume way more memory than on Windows (for some reason) and they run buggy because of X11/Wayland (in different ways). Also I need postgresql installed on the machine for a database. I tried to setup postgresql on Ubuntu, Fedora and Clear Linux (Intel linux) and I only succeeded on Ubuntu, on the other two I would've to tinker with config files I don't have the time and the patience to do so. On Windows setting up postgresql is basically just clicking next-next-next...
In my short -journey- I concluded that Linux is good and easy while you do the basic tasks, web browsing, text editing, watching movies, listening to music (maybe games? I haven't tried games). But as soon as I step outside of this -bubble- things start to get interesting. And I used the terminal most of the time because the pre-installed app-stores are a joke.
I like very much the Ubuntu Gnome desktop (I know you hate it) but it just doesn't worth the hassle.
So Linux is not -hard- because it's hard to install altought installing Ubuntu on a machine with 3 SSDs and 8+ partitions wasn't as streamlined as with Windows... But it's not about the installation.
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Dakota
Linux will not be able to become big without a company coming in and making software on par or better than there counterparts, however exclusive to Linux. Windows users get forced to run windows a lot of the time due to this. Finding an office job not requiring office, excel, Solidworks, etc. is near impossible it's the industry standard that drives windows to be so prevalent.
Game industry could have designed for any of the O.S. they chose to do it to the one with the most market share, because like it or not windows applications are better for most things.
Nothing comes even close to Solidworks on Linux, used in virtually every machine shop in America. The closest alternative being freecad which plain and simple does not cut it, the software is sorely lacking.
Again, Programmer, developer, server admins Linux is the best out there. However, for everyone else windows is easier to understand this may come as a shock. Also, I'm using a win 10 alienware with stock windows 10 computers purchase year was 2017. 5 years with zero issues besides WiFi connectivity(old driver), plays all my games, access to all software(minus some apple exclusives), and just plain works.
Now I also run Manjaro on my desktop for programming and even I can tell that it is not as easy as windows for not most things, more like 90% of things.
Still would never host a server on windows, Linux always wins here.
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Linux will not be able to become big without a company coming in and making software on par or better than there counterparts, however exclusive to Linux. Windows users get forced to run windows a lot of the time due to this. Finding an office job not requiring office, excel, Solidworks, etc. is near impossible it's the industry standard that drives windows to be so prevalent.
Game industry could have designed for any of the O.S. they chose to do it to the one with the most market share, because like it or not windows applications are better for most things.
Nothing comes even close to Solidworks on Linux, used in virtually every machine shop in America. The closest alternative being freecad which plain and simple does not cut it, the software is sorely lacking.
Again, Programmer, developer, server admins Linux is the best out there. However, for everyone else windows is easier to understand this may come as a shock. Also, I'm using a win 10 alienware with stock windows 10 computers purchase year was 2017. 5 years with zero issues besides WiFi connectivity(old driver), plays all my games, access to all software(minus some apple exclusives), and just plain works.
Now I also run Manjaro on my desktop for programming and even I can tell that it is not as easy as windows for not most things, more like 90% of things.
Still would never host a server on windows, Linux always wins here.
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middleclasspoor
I believe most computer users don't even know what an OS is much less what it does!. They just know the applications that are available to them. I've known people who are extremely proficient in a particular application such as Excel or Powerpoint or whatever that don't have a clue on how to use the OS in CLI to do the simplest of things.
For most people learning to use an alternative application that is just as good or even better than what they are already used to is just not something they are willing to do. I don't know of anyway to change that. We are all creatures of habit!
Just an opinion....you might not use quite so many changes of camera angles. It's a little distracting IMO.
Thanks DT and please keep up the good work!
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I believe most computer users don't even know what an OS is much less what it does!. They just know the applications that are available to them. I've known people who are extremely proficient in a particular application such as Excel or Powerpoint or whatever that don't have a clue on how to use the OS in CLI to do the simplest of things.
For most people learning to use an alternative application that is just as good or even better than what they are already used to is just not something they are willing to do. I don't know of anyway to change that. We are all creatures of habit!
Just an opinion....you might not use quite so many changes of camera angles. It's a little distracting IMO.
Thanks DT and please keep up the good work!
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Don
i work with linux. our server runs redhat. the thing is. its not a blame game. at the end of the day, the applications you use. regardless of what its on ,is the experience you end up with. linux isn't for everyone neither is mac or windows. at the end of the day. some people just want to sit down relax after working 12+ hrs a day and use their computer. and we're not all technicians. just like everyone who has a car is not a mechanic. An throwing blame back on the person for having those expectations after being conditioned by society is kinda Silly. we have smartphones that can edit photos edit videos play AAA games and more. And you expect people to settle for anything less?
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i work with linux. our server runs redhat. the thing is. its not a blame game. at the end of the day, the applications you use. regardless of what its on ,is the experience you end up with. linux isn't for everyone neither is mac or windows. at the end of the day. some people just want to sit down relax after working 12+ hrs a day and use their computer. and we're not all technicians. just like everyone who has a car is not a mechanic. An throwing blame back on the person for having those expectations after being conditioned by society is kinda Silly. we have smartphones that can edit photos edit videos play AAA games and more. And you expect people to settle for anything less?
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ZonNoDon
Makes sense, but some people have that silly notions about Linux, even when it's really ridiculous. Truth is, these people need time and energy to -start over- like that. Because without that, people will struggle before they could ever get comfortable with using whatever distro they have.
Also the whole phrase -Linux should be [more] like Windows- is just the typical compliant people say when they get frustrated with a distro. No one should seriously take that sentence into consideration. At best it should be laughed at, at worst dismissed on sight.
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Makes sense, but some people have that silly notions about Linux, even when it's really ridiculous. Truth is, these people need time and energy to -start over- like that. Because without that, people will struggle before they could ever get comfortable with using whatever distro they have.
Also the whole phrase -Linux should be [more] like Windows- is just the typical compliant people say when they get frustrated with a distro. No one should seriously take that sentence into consideration. At best it should be laughed at, at worst dismissed on sight.
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RunForPeace
If you use Linux out of the box with everything pre-installed yes.
But as soon as the user wants to install something a friends found on the internet and they want to install it too ... different story.
Chances are, it's either Windows/Mac software, which may more have Linux equiv ... or the interface looks different from the ones their friend has because it's on different platform.
That's where the problem lies.
Nobody is gonna go to GIT, download / compile from branch and install software. Regular everyday Joe just aren't gonna do that.
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If you use Linux out of the box with everything pre-installed yes.
But as soon as the user wants to install something a friends found on the internet and they want to install it too ... different story.
Chances are, it's either Windows/Mac software, which may more have Linux equiv ... or the interface looks different from the ones their friend has because it's on different platform.
That's where the problem lies.
Nobody is gonna go to GIT, download / compile from branch and install software. Regular everyday Joe just aren't gonna do that.
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Larry
A big reason why people thinks that Linux sucks is do to all the distro's trying to look like windows so the windows user switches over with the expectation that Linux is a Better version of Windows. Its NOT only Microsoft can improve Windows. Linux is a totally different way of computing its freedom security and usage. If you plan anytime in the future to move to any other OS you cant expect one to be like the other. They are written and maintained by different people with different idea's about what an OS is.
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A big reason why people thinks that Linux sucks is do to all the distro's trying to look like windows so the windows user switches over with the expectation that Linux is a Better version of Windows. Its NOT only Microsoft can improve Windows. Linux is a totally different way of computing its freedom security and usage. If you plan anytime in the future to move to any other OS you cant expect one to be like the other. They are written and maintained by different people with different idea's about what an OS is.
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Ren-
You're right, here my story:
My uncle, he has the mind of a young adolescent despite being an adult. He always called me to fix he's computer over and over again because windows crashed with viruses (he often click on the ads). Since the year I installed Ubuntu on he's desktop computer he has never called me again, that PC is running rock solid as the first day.
And the same happened with other laptops I've configured for students. They don't even know how close to a software marvel they are.
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You're right, here my story:
My uncle, he has the mind of a young adolescent despite being an adult. He always called me to fix he's computer over and over again because windows crashed with viruses (he often click on the ads). Since the year I installed Ubuntu on he's desktop computer he has never called me again, that PC is running rock solid as the first day.
And the same happened with other laptops I've configured for students. They don't even know how close to a software marvel they are.
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Leonader
As a Linux beginner myself, I've actually found it very difficult to get into. There are many points where I was pretty close to quitting. There's a lot a new Linux user has to learn at the same time. they have to find new applications that work for them because most Windows applications don't work on Linux, and they also have to figure out how to install and configure those, first. And that definitely takes a lot of effort.
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As a Linux beginner myself, I've actually found it very difficult to get into. There are many points where I was pretty close to quitting. There's a lot a new Linux user has to learn at the same time. they have to find new applications that work for them because most Windows applications don't work on Linux, and they also have to figure out how to install and configure those, first. And that definitely takes a lot of effort.
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