Should we regulate social media as public utilities? - The Hated One
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Date: 2022-03-20
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Nate
I think this video is too optimistic about free market competition being able to compete with the current feudal Lords of tech.
We're reaching a point where these Lords have a vast capital advantage against any newcomers.
Mark Zuckerberg recently recognizes that cloud computing is too expensive. These tech Lord's can afford those resources but newcomers are unable to without significant investor funding.
Tech Lords can also just outright buy out the competition. Sure there's limits like Google+ failing and dying but I don't see Facebook or Twitter going away any time soon. If anything these Lords occupy different technological capital niches and are focused on taking over everything else.
There's also that FB and Twitter and the like have a magnetic pull over attracting more and more users into its systems. There is also the accumulative effect of capital where it is incentivzed to accrue more capital and consume more of the market share and open up new market opportunities.
This is why calls for converting these services into public utilities have arisen recently as opposed to 10 or 15 or 20 years ago or more. The game is rigged and it's even more rigged than before. The tech utopianism of the past has changed into tech dystopia of cyberpunk novels.
You can try living on the edges but the state can eventually break anything and the state ultimately controls the economy and indirectly or even directly your livelihood. These tech Lords through regulatory capture have control of everything and we at some level have to concede control over to them. (Personal information to ISP is one obvious area) The Internet is living up to its roots as a military application to track and control all users.
Don't get me wrong. I support privacy and trying to remove tracking that is almost certainly used against us, but I think technology will come to hard limits versus real world politics. Technology can form and mold what real world politics can be but politics can also enforce itself upon technology and redirect its goals and potentials.
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I think this video is too optimistic about free market competition being able to compete with the current feudal Lords of tech.
We're reaching a point where these Lords have a vast capital advantage against any newcomers.
Mark Zuckerberg recently recognizes that cloud computing is too expensive. These tech Lord's can afford those resources but newcomers are unable to without significant investor funding.
Tech Lords can also just outright buy out the competition. Sure there's limits like Google+ failing and dying but I don't see Facebook or Twitter going away any time soon. If anything these Lords occupy different technological capital niches and are focused on taking over everything else.
There's also that FB and Twitter and the like have a magnetic pull over attracting more and more users into its systems. There is also the accumulative effect of capital where it is incentivzed to accrue more capital and consume more of the market share and open up new market opportunities.
This is why calls for converting these services into public utilities have arisen recently as opposed to 10 or 15 or 20 years ago or more. The game is rigged and it's even more rigged than before. The tech utopianism of the past has changed into tech dystopia of cyberpunk novels.
You can try living on the edges but the state can eventually break anything and the state ultimately controls the economy and indirectly or even directly your livelihood. These tech Lords through regulatory capture have control of everything and we at some level have to concede control over to them. (Personal information to ISP is one obvious area) The Internet is living up to its roots as a military application to track and control all users.
Don't get me wrong. I support privacy and trying to remove tracking that is almost certainly used against us, but I think technology will come to hard limits versus real world politics. Technology can form and mold what real world politics can be but politics can also enforce itself upon technology and redirect its goals and potentials.
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Rasmp
I've commented on this on your duckduckgo video
I like your points and i respect your anti authortarianism, but your analysis is flawed because you don't criticize the economic system we live under. Yes, we haven't seen a lot of innovation, thats because its not innovation that drives modern surveilance capitalism but rather the profit motive. Market forces don't really think ahead, they work in the moment so to say, so their focus will always be on creating profits now, which means advertising. Sites and projects that dont follow this model of advertising lose over to those that do, without capital you can't grow your company, so if you want to create a viable platform you have to use unethical uninnovative methods. Duckduckgo is objectively worse in the views of capital cause its model shuts off any possibility of ad money. You can make a lot of parallels to the early period of industrialisation, if you dident hire children for your factories you would lose out to those that did. Asking people to go use small alternatives is paramount to starting a revolution by removing yourself from society and living in the forest.
Im sad to say that i am a giant pessimist, were probably not gonna see some anarchist utopia in our near future, thats just as unlikely, the economic system we live under is contradictory to liberty, and the results of said system will not go away unless you take away the source; the system itself.
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I've commented on this on your duckduckgo video
I like your points and i respect your anti authortarianism, but your analysis is flawed because you don't criticize the economic system we live under. Yes, we haven't seen a lot of innovation, thats because its not innovation that drives modern surveilance capitalism but rather the profit motive. Market forces don't really think ahead, they work in the moment so to say, so their focus will always be on creating profits now, which means advertising. Sites and projects that dont follow this model of advertising lose over to those that do, without capital you can't grow your company, so if you want to create a viable platform you have to use unethical uninnovative methods. Duckduckgo is objectively worse in the views of capital cause its model shuts off any possibility of ad money. You can make a lot of parallels to the early period of industrialisation, if you dident hire children for your factories you would lose out to those that did. Asking people to go use small alternatives is paramount to starting a revolution by removing yourself from society and living in the forest.
Im sad to say that i am a giant pessimist, were probably not gonna see some anarchist utopia in our near future, thats just as unlikely, the economic system we live under is contradictory to liberty, and the results of said system will not go away unless you take away the source; the system itself.
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mitchell
Absolutely regulate it. Social media is the most powerful networking tool on the planet. It has the power to promote or suppress opinion. Anything that powerful should be susceptible to checks and balances. It should be overseen by departments under under the policy of separation of powers. So no one group can control the media of the free world. We-ve seen regulation creep in when twitter tried to silence trump. That won-t be the last time either. Government will end up in control of social media oversight. Being honest they need it. Facebook, Instagram are extremely powerful tools for information. The people in Silicon Valley can-t really police their own communities. They are
Computer geeks. They don-t really understand what-s out there and what they are facilitating. Especially Facebook. Facebook in my opinion is a dangerous platform. It-s only a matter of time before Facebook facilitated crimes start to end up before the courts. It-s all there.
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Absolutely regulate it. Social media is the most powerful networking tool on the planet. It has the power to promote or suppress opinion. Anything that powerful should be susceptible to checks and balances. It should be overseen by departments under under the policy of separation of powers. So no one group can control the media of the free world. We-ve seen regulation creep in when twitter tried to silence trump. That won-t be the last time either. Government will end up in control of social media oversight. Being honest they need it. Facebook, Instagram are extremely powerful tools for information. The people in Silicon Valley can-t really police their own communities. They are
Computer geeks. They don-t really understand what-s out there and what they are facilitating. Especially Facebook. Facebook in my opinion is a dangerous platform. It-s only a matter of time before Facebook facilitated crimes start to end up before the courts. It-s all there.
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DEVS
Apparently Hated has never heard of the network effect. Social media platforms are natural monopolies because their usefulness is intrinsically dependent upon the number of users already present on the platform. Facebook is only as useful to you as its user base. For this reason, a paradigm in which multiple social media platforms with comparable services and user bases compete for market share over an extended period of time can never exist. Furthermore, I fail to see how enforcing anti-competitive laws on these tech oligopolies is functionally any different than the suggestion that we hold them accountable to the rights and freedoms guaranteed to all US citizens by the constitution.
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Apparently Hated has never heard of the network effect. Social media platforms are natural monopolies because their usefulness is intrinsically dependent upon the number of users already present on the platform. Facebook is only as useful to you as its user base. For this reason, a paradigm in which multiple social media platforms with comparable services and user bases compete for market share over an extended period of time can never exist. Furthermore, I fail to see how enforcing anti-competitive laws on these tech oligopolies is functionally any different than the suggestion that we hold them accountable to the rights and freedoms guaranteed to all US citizens by the constitution.
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Molybdenum
-Voting with your wallet- is a myth that is pushed by -free market--capitalists. Boycotts do not stick around in the longterm. Hell, companies start boycotts against themselves on purpose for the free advertising, with the understanding that people will switch back to their old habits after a month or two, potentially spending more money to reinstate or re-buy what they got rid of.
Without outside interference, I don't think the market will just solve this by itself, and expecting the majority of people, worldwide, to spontaneously switch to alternative services seems to me like a pipedream.
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-Voting with your wallet- is a myth that is pushed by -free market--capitalists. Boycotts do not stick around in the longterm. Hell, companies start boycotts against themselves on purpose for the free advertising, with the understanding that people will switch back to their old habits after a month or two, potentially spending more money to reinstate or re-buy what they got rid of.
Without outside interference, I don't think the market will just solve this by itself, and expecting the majority of people, worldwide, to spontaneously switch to alternative services seems to me like a pipedream.
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Awesome
do yourselves a favor and dont go with nord. dig deeper. btw, social media will never be regulated as long as people keep selling themselves to them. yes they make huge dollars off the advertising, however its not the cash that they want, its the knowledge about YOU that is what they seek. Yall all thinking that your privacy doesnt matter, what do you care if they understand who you are and what you do and how you think? you are mistaken! knowledge is power, not money. stop giving away your booties to them. its hurting us all. there are other forms of communication!
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do yourselves a favor and dont go with nord. dig deeper. btw, social media will never be regulated as long as people keep selling themselves to them. yes they make huge dollars off the advertising, however its not the cash that they want, its the knowledge about YOU that is what they seek. Yall all thinking that your privacy doesnt matter, what do you care if they understand who you are and what you do and how you think? you are mistaken! knowledge is power, not money. stop giving away your booties to them. its hurting us all. there are other forms of communication!
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Emanueler
Hi, I didn't saw the video yet but I'll want to ask if there's a safe way to write in Android (not with external keyboards) because the Google keyboard, it's actually the best one but it is from Google and you know, the dictionary is based on what you and people write so they know all my passwords and all the information that I write so please make a -tutorial- of how to safely install a keyboard that we can trust.
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Hi, I didn't saw the video yet but I'll want to ask if there's a safe way to write in Android (not with external keyboards) because the Google keyboard, it's actually the best one but it is from Google and you know, the dictionary is based on what you and people write so they know all my passwords and all the information that I write so please make a -tutorial- of how to safely install a keyboard that we can trust.
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ForeignYetDomestic
Hello -MrTheHat1- - I knew that after reading your s-name that you would mean pure business - with excellent content. Will you please find the answer to this question. For example, is there a plug in device/or any device that can be used to fool a geo-fence that detects voice recognition (and actually distinguishes it from the voice of a radio/cd/ voice)? Thanks a bunch
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Hello -MrTheHat1- - I knew that after reading your s-name that you would mean pure business - with excellent content. Will you please find the answer to this question. For example, is there a plug in device/or any device that can be used to fool a geo-fence that detects voice recognition (and actually distinguishes it from the voice of a radio/cd/ voice)? Thanks a bunch
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Joseph.
I think there should be regulation that forces Terms of Services to be highly specific, vagueness has to be eliminated, and they're forced to reveal what you got banned for, specifically.
I don't condone the public service regulation, but i do wish that terms of service needs to be more specific and revealing
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I think there should be regulation that forces Terms of Services to be highly specific, vagueness has to be eliminated, and they're forced to reveal what you got banned for, specifically.
I don't condone the public service regulation, but i do wish that terms of service needs to be more specific and revealing
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Razzor012
Should we as the people of the USA call for The Free Internet Speech Act because many of us will eventually be kicked off the platform and companies are feeding the SJWS with a -safe- platform we must do something before that take over the government
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Should we as the people of the USA call for The Free Internet Speech Act because many of us will eventually be kicked off the platform and companies are feeding the SJWS with a -safe- platform we must do something before that take over the government
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