CSAM is Apple's Newest Attack on Privacy - Surveillance Report 50 - Techlore
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I disagree with EFF-s assessment here. It comes down to what -scanned- means.
CSAM detection is explicitly designed by Apple as a tool for checking whether an iCloud-bound photo matches a photo in the NCMEC database _without_ scanning the _content_ of the photo. At no point shy of human review at Apple does Apple ever look at any of your photos. Its NeuralHashing tool is intended specifically to allow Apple to identify matches with known CP while _not_ -looking- at the photo at all.
Apple is trying to balance three concerns:
1. Apple doesn-t want to know what-s on your phone. Apple considers that private. CSAM detection does _not_ -look- at your photos.
2. Apple doesn-t want to know what-s in your iCloud account. Also private.
3. Apple does not want CP on its servers.
If 3) were Apple-s only concern, it could simply do what Microsoft, FB, Twitter and pretty much every other industry player does - just scan your iCloud-stored photos and be done. _This_ would be privacy invasive, and Apple doesn-t want to do this.
The solution, then, is to do nothing until the point at which a photo is being uploaded to Apple-s server. At that point, Apple wants to check the photo for CP, but it still doesn-t want to _look_ at the photo.
Hence Apple-s complicated CSAM detection process is intended to give Apple a way to check the photos against the NCMEC database _without_ actually looking at the _content_ of the photo. Doing this on-device both safeguards user privacy and ensures that CP never lands on Apple-s servers.
If people are concerned about Apple scanning the photos on their phones, it should be noted that Apple is already doing so, and has been doing so for years. The Photos app regularly scans the _contents_ of your photos on-device, and not just those being uploaded to iCloud, but _all_ photos. The Photos app can recognize everything from cars to animals to mountains to works of art, can identify family members and friends through facial recognition and, with Live Text on iOS 15, can even read words embedded in images. The Photos app is far more privacy-invasive than anything Apple-s CSAM detection is even capable of.
If you-re still concerned about Apple -opening a back door to your private life-, turn off iCloud backups and start worrying more about Photos.
Date: 2022-04-15
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itech
The biggest legal concern with CSAM is distribution and possession.
Apple is claiming to only scan iCloud syncing images, which means if you turn your iCloud syncing off you can text CSAM, upload CSAM on any website, download any CSAM you want if you were into that type of stuff. So Apple clearly has no actual incentive to really stop CSAM distribution or possession, if they did then they'd scan all images on your device, iCloud or not- wouldn't they? Then the question becomes why is the software on the phone instead of the icloud servers which is the only platform they are ensuring doesn't contain csam? Clearly theres more the software is doing than what they claim otherwise this software wouldn't be integrated into our phones. I'm not advocating they scan everything but that would be actually in line with an agenda to stop CSAM. Like literally based on their document anyone into csam could still download and share, tweet, text and download anything they want as long as icloud syncing is off.
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The biggest legal concern with CSAM is distribution and possession.
Apple is claiming to only scan iCloud syncing images, which means if you turn your iCloud syncing off you can text CSAM, upload CSAM on any website, download any CSAM you want if you were into that type of stuff. So Apple clearly has no actual incentive to really stop CSAM distribution or possession, if they did then they'd scan all images on your device, iCloud or not- wouldn't they? Then the question becomes why is the software on the phone instead of the icloud servers which is the only platform they are ensuring doesn't contain csam? Clearly theres more the software is doing than what they claim otherwise this software wouldn't be integrated into our phones. I'm not advocating they scan everything but that would be actually in line with an agenda to stop CSAM. Like literally based on their document anyone into csam could still download and share, tweet, text and download anything they want as long as icloud syncing is off.
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Kyle
So let me get this straight you still recommend Apple to non tech savvy people and you call yourself privacy minded? And you don't know whether or not Google is evil, or evil enough to abused its Monopoly for its own financial advantage by not utilizing Qualcomm? Okay you only drink let me guess half of the Kool-Aid in the glass and also you mix the blue Kool-Aid with the red Kool-Aid to drink purple Kool-Aid and you're cool with that! I wonder what the Hated One or Rob Braxman have to say about that. Because they don't drink Kool-Aid whether it's handed to them by big Tech or the government! It's like being a little bit pregnant for a little bit dead, when it comes to privacy you're either truly privacy minded or you're willing to compromise which you clearly are still can get good info from you but at least I know where you stand now!
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So let me get this straight you still recommend Apple to non tech savvy people and you call yourself privacy minded? And you don't know whether or not Google is evil, or evil enough to abused its Monopoly for its own financial advantage by not utilizing Qualcomm? Okay you only drink let me guess half of the Kool-Aid in the glass and also you mix the blue Kool-Aid with the red Kool-Aid to drink purple Kool-Aid and you're cool with that! I wonder what the Hated One or Rob Braxman have to say about that. Because they don't drink Kool-Aid whether it's handed to them by big Tech or the government! It's like being a little bit pregnant for a little bit dead, when it comes to privacy you're either truly privacy minded or you're willing to compromise which you clearly are still can get good info from you but at least I know where you stand now!
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Otosj
Before WW II the government of my country, like many governments, started to collect data from every citizen in my country. Like name, adress, age, and religion. For scientific reasons, so no worries. When the Nazi's invaded our country they where very keen on retreiving that data. Only a few people did realise why and tryed to destroy the data before the Nazi's got their hands on it, but could not prevent it to happen. Over 300. 000 people died; with that data, picking up Jewish people was like shooting fish in a barrel.
Lesson learned:
Never Ever Give Data Away. Never!
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Before WW II the government of my country, like many governments, started to collect data from every citizen in my country. Like name, adress, age, and religion. For scientific reasons, so no worries. When the Nazi's invaded our country they where very keen on retreiving that data. Only a few people did realise why and tryed to destroy the data before the Nazi's got their hands on it, but could not prevent it to happen. Over 300. 000 people died; with that data, picking up Jewish people was like shooting fish in a barrel.
Lesson learned:
Never Ever Give Data Away. Never!
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Nathanael
7: 16 --that opens up the door for abuse from individuals--
How? CSAM detection is done entirely on-device. The only time any photo is made available for any human at Apple to view is after on-device detection has detected a positive match against the CSAM database (and not just a single match, but after a threshold has been crossed. If there is no match, nothing ever leaves the device, nor is there any way for Apple to just go into your phone and start looking around.
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7: 16 --that opens up the door for abuse from individuals--
How? CSAM detection is done entirely on-device. The only time any photo is made available for any human at Apple to view is after on-device detection has detected a positive match against the CSAM database (and not just a single match, but after a threshold has been crossed. If there is no match, nothing ever leaves the device, nor is there any way for Apple to just go into your phone and start looking around.
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stultus
People need to learn from history instead of endlessly playing games.
Quote:
-The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation. -
Adolf Hitler
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People need to learn from history instead of endlessly playing games.
Quote:
-The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation. -
Adolf Hitler
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Jackson
I think you are not correct. Apple said -if you disable iCloud upload the images are not scanned on server side- which makes sense. However they are not being honest about all details. The images on your phone are still scanned and hashed and ready to transmit. The Devil is in the details
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I think you are not correct. Apple said -if you disable iCloud upload the images are not scanned on server side- which makes sense. However they are not being honest about all details. The images on your phone are still scanned and hashed and ready to transmit. The Devil is in the details
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Sarbrinder
Every other company has been doing the same thing. Apple waits to do it the best way possible while still preserving privacy, everyone and their mother and brother losses it. Lol. Watch Rene Ritchie-s video on this issue please. Highly researched and well put together.
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Every other company has been doing the same thing. Apple waits to do it the best way possible while still preserving privacy, everyone and their mother and brother losses it. Lol. Watch Rene Ritchie-s video on this issue please. Highly researched and well put together.
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-ngel
I switched to apple just 6 months ago looking for privacy and I feel really angry, betrayed and disappointed with the actions of apple. I guess that the only option is to get a Pixel and install graphenOS, because I run my own business so I cannot just stop use internet
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I switched to apple just 6 months ago looking for privacy and I feel really angry, betrayed and disappointed with the actions of apple. I guess that the only option is to get a Pixel and install graphenOS, because I run my own business so I cannot just stop use internet
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Jonathan
Alright guys, they dont actually look at your photos. If 30 or more of the images hashes that are UPLOADED TO ICLOUD match with illegal material, those images are sent for human review. Dont get nervous unless you have some sus things on your phone
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Alright guys, they dont actually look at your photos. If 30 or more of the images hashes that are UPLOADED TO ICLOUD match with illegal material, those images are sent for human review. Dont get nervous unless you have some sus things on your phone
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