Is a Phone That's Off Really Off? - Rob Braxman Tech
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Date: 2022-03-20
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Apollo
Ill repost this as depending on how a smartphone falls from at least 5 to 6 feet in height, it can fall (even if using a case and screen protector) and STOP working. and refuse to turn on.
This happened to my old phone a Samsung galaxy j7 type which you still could remove and CHANGE the battery for a different battery.
When I got home hours later without being able to use my phone, I tried charging the phone and it didn't work. then I removed the battery and put a spare backup battery and. it powered back on like nothing was wrong and this was a really frustrating situation because not only was the battery from when the phone fell completely dead and useless but I was fortunate to have a couple of spare extended life batteries which had higher mah capacity which yielded at least two extra hours of strong battery life or more Depending on usage intensity.
This is a really frustrating situation with all Samsung and most other phone makers because if your smartphone falls, even if you have a strong screen protector and shock proof case protector, there is a high probability that your battery will experience a shock which will, WILL result in a useless battery and if you're not knowledgeable enough in having the tools and ordering your own replacement battery, you are gonna get screwed by sending your phone to a repair center or sending it to the manufacturer or in the most extreme situation (due to really dumb people) you end up BUYING ANOTHER PHONE. even if all it was was the high probability of a shocked fall dead battery (perhaps the element inside the battery cracked aka dead battery)
So the fact that they don't allow you to remove the battery is NOT JUST because of possible conspiracy but because most average consumers will just open their pockets or sell their arm and leg at that moment and buy another which just results in profits for the phone companies.
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Ill repost this as depending on how a smartphone falls from at least 5 to 6 feet in height, it can fall (even if using a case and screen protector) and STOP working. and refuse to turn on.
This happened to my old phone a Samsung galaxy j7 type which you still could remove and CHANGE the battery for a different battery.
When I got home hours later without being able to use my phone, I tried charging the phone and it didn't work. then I removed the battery and put a spare backup battery and. it powered back on like nothing was wrong and this was a really frustrating situation because not only was the battery from when the phone fell completely dead and useless but I was fortunate to have a couple of spare extended life batteries which had higher mah capacity which yielded at least two extra hours of strong battery life or more Depending on usage intensity.
This is a really frustrating situation with all Samsung and most other phone makers because if your smartphone falls, even if you have a strong screen protector and shock proof case protector, there is a high probability that your battery will experience a shock which will, WILL result in a useless battery and if you're not knowledgeable enough in having the tools and ordering your own replacement battery, you are gonna get screwed by sending your phone to a repair center or sending it to the manufacturer or in the most extreme situation (due to really dumb people) you end up BUYING ANOTHER PHONE. even if all it was was the high probability of a shocked fall dead battery (perhaps the element inside the battery cracked aka dead battery)
So the fact that they don't allow you to remove the battery is NOT JUST because of possible conspiracy but because most average consumers will just open their pockets or sell their arm and leg at that moment and buy another which just results in profits for the phone companies.
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skug
You make some good points about mobile technology and the -potential- that the phone -could- be built to contain some always-on system. However, you also state that you are hypothesising about these things, i. e. It isn't true, it is merely possible. I have a comment about the always-on BLE mesh network idea that you suggested: Someone could use SDR to scan for BLE radio transmissions, and doing so detect if the phone is taking part in a mesh network or not. Similarly, an electronics expert could take the covers off a phone and test whether or not parts of the circuit have power or not, with needle-nose probes and a microscope camera to zoom in.
Tin-foil hat wearers will doubtless suggest that -any- mobile is -always- powered-on, when you've switched it off. I don't believe there is anything to worry about regarding this on the majority of mobiles. Maybe it'll come at some point in the future, and some researcher will detect it (as I suggested above) and then let the privacy community know about it. Rather than dumbly believing a hypothesis!
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You make some good points about mobile technology and the -potential- that the phone -could- be built to contain some always-on system. However, you also state that you are hypothesising about these things, i. e. It isn't true, it is merely possible. I have a comment about the always-on BLE mesh network idea that you suggested: Someone could use SDR to scan for BLE radio transmissions, and doing so detect if the phone is taking part in a mesh network or not. Similarly, an electronics expert could take the covers off a phone and test whether or not parts of the circuit have power or not, with needle-nose probes and a microscope camera to zoom in.
Tin-foil hat wearers will doubtless suggest that -any- mobile is -always- powered-on, when you've switched it off. I don't believe there is anything to worry about regarding this on the majority of mobiles. Maybe it'll come at some point in the future, and some researcher will detect it (as I suggested above) and then let the privacy community know about it. Rather than dumbly believing a hypothesis!
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christopher
John 3: 16-21-
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. -
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. -
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. -
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. -
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. -
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
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John 3: 16-21-
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. -
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. -
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. -
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. -
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. -
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
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Casper
A major supermarket chain in South Africa has a smart shopper loyalty card. On the day that I got a brand new phone plus new SIMM Card and phone number, I went shopping. After paying, the very moment I got to the inside of the front door, I got an SMS saying that I will be eligible for loyalty points with a smart shopper card. My conclusion is that the store has some sort of mechanism (doable by setting up a fake cell-phone transmitter) that tracks each customer by their unique phone number, literally as they move from aisle by aisle and through the till process right to the exit. I had a phone not on their database and I got an SMS.
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A major supermarket chain in South Africa has a smart shopper loyalty card. On the day that I got a brand new phone plus new SIMM Card and phone number, I went shopping. After paying, the very moment I got to the inside of the front door, I got an SMS saying that I will be eligible for loyalty points with a smart shopper card. My conclusion is that the store has some sort of mechanism (doable by setting up a fake cell-phone transmitter) that tracks each customer by their unique phone number, literally as they move from aisle by aisle and through the till process right to the exit. I had a phone not on their database and I got an SMS.
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Chris
Hey Rob, thanks for the phone off video. That's one topic that keeps returning when talking to my friends about cell phone hacking and government hacking. The last part of the video you mentioned about putting the cell phone in the microwave just like in the movie. We'll I tried that about a week ago. It didn't work. My friend and tried it after talking about it and then called it with another phone while the door was closed and the phone was ringing inside the microwave. You probably all ready know this or tried it. I love you videos and the work you do. Do stop fighting. Thank you.
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Hey Rob, thanks for the phone off video. That's one topic that keeps returning when talking to my friends about cell phone hacking and government hacking. The last part of the video you mentioned about putting the cell phone in the microwave just like in the movie. We'll I tried that about a week ago. It didn't work. My friend and tried it after talking about it and then called it with another phone while the door was closed and the phone was ringing inside the microwave. You probably all ready know this or tried it. I love you videos and the work you do. Do stop fighting. Thank you.
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max5250
Loads of bullcrap.
If a phone is active while -turned off-, it would still consume battery, and it would be so obvious to detect it.
For all conspiracy nuts who think they can be tracked via their phones, a simple metal box or even wrapping a phone with couple of layers of tin foil will prevent any kind of communication between a phone and mobile tower, no matter if a phone is turned off or on.
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Loads of bullcrap.
If a phone is active while -turned off-, it would still consume battery, and it would be so obvious to detect it.
For all conspiracy nuts who think they can be tracked via their phones, a simple metal box or even wrapping a phone with couple of layers of tin foil will prevent any kind of communication between a phone and mobile tower, no matter if a phone is turned off or on.
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RodCornholio
Think of a phone like a radio transmitter (it is) or a walkie talkie. If that thing is around you and you're doing ANYTHING or are ANYWHERE that could jeopardize your life/freedom, think, -Would I trust my _life_ that it isn't transmitting? -
Keep in mind, though, if you're being. uhhhh. -tracked- in additional ways, then NOT having your phone probably indicates you're up to something.
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Think of a phone like a radio transmitter (it is) or a walkie talkie. If that thing is around you and you're doing ANYTHING or are ANYWHERE that could jeopardize your life/freedom, think, -Would I trust my _life_ that it isn't transmitting? -
Keep in mind, though, if you're being. uhhhh. -tracked- in additional ways, then NOT having your phone probably indicates you're up to something.
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coopachew
The microwave oven trick used to work with the 4 g phones because the radio wave size was about the same as your typical microwave oven but the 5 g phones wave length is down to nano meters so I suspect it can penetrate through a lot of these faraday bags and home microwaves
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The microwave oven trick used to work with the 4 g phones because the radio wave size was about the same as your typical microwave oven but the 5 g phones wave length is down to nano meters so I suspect it can penetrate through a lot of these faraday bags and home microwaves
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Thomas
Every microwave oven I have tested leaks. If this is indiciative, this would not work in the West. Russia has more strict regulations on microwave exposure. Though, I have to wonder if it is applied evenly. After there are a lot of phones there.
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Every microwave oven I have tested leaks. If this is indiciative, this would not work in the West. Russia has more strict regulations on microwave exposure. Though, I have to wonder if it is applied evenly. After there are a lot of phones there.
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Wild
Is it possible if you not connected to any interface. and turn all things off.
still connected to the internet(Don't talk about Bluetooth)
cuase whenever connection takes place Interface profile switch to rmnet_data2 instead of data1
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Is it possible if you not connected to any interface. and turn all things off.
still connected to the internet(Don't talk about Bluetooth)
cuase whenever connection takes place Interface profile switch to rmnet_data2 instead of data1
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