Tiger Lake H Performance, GeForce Hash Rate Lite, Q&A - The Full Nerd ep. 177
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Date: 2022-03-15
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My take on 16: 57
According to Hardware Unboxed i7-11800H testing, 10nm Intel parts have a more linear scale with TDP compared to Ryzen. I'm generally an AMD fan as I joined the tech space when AMD was the underdog and I carried on some of that affection, but I think at lower TDPs (eg. 35W, 45W) there are few objective reasons to deny that AMD has some performance and efficiency advantage, especially on heavily multithreaded tasks. That said, the more linear scaling for Intel CPUs may actually mean that in bigger and heavier laptops that can deal with higher TDPs, Intel my actually have a slight edge.
Considering the laptop space and general mobility necessities, I think that efficiency and competitiveness at lower TDPs should be more important for laptop CPUs (so that's my reasoning for preferring AMD CPUs, although my laptop is an XPS 9500 with an i7 10750H. That said, there are still some people that prefer chunky laptops (for gaming or engineering work, for example, and I think Intel has the edge on that.
Moreover, if Intel CPUs actually scale more linearly with TDP, it could also mean that next generation 10nm Intel desktop CPUs will actually be very competitive with AMD.
Well, they actually KINDA are right now on pure performance up to the i7 tier, but official pricing is a bit off, especially on the i9 CPUs.
But I'm excited for the competitiveness of CPU makers in late 2021/2022.
I'm am AMD fan, but no AMD shill (I actually have no AMD CPUs at home and no more AMD GPUs, so I'm excited for the general benefits that consumers will have thanks to a more competitive market.
And AMD shills should too, as Intel gaining back ground will mean better pricing from AMD, which has already shown that, being a huge corporation, is more than eager to increase prices when it can (look at 5600X vs 2600X.
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My take on 16: 57
According to Hardware Unboxed i7-11800H testing, 10nm Intel parts have a more linear scale with TDP compared to Ryzen. I'm generally an AMD fan as I joined the tech space when AMD was the underdog and I carried on some of that affection, but I think at lower TDPs (eg. 35W, 45W) there are few objective reasons to deny that AMD has some performance and efficiency advantage, especially on heavily multithreaded tasks. That said, the more linear scaling for Intel CPUs may actually mean that in bigger and heavier laptops that can deal with higher TDPs, Intel my actually have a slight edge.
Considering the laptop space and general mobility necessities, I think that efficiency and competitiveness at lower TDPs should be more important for laptop CPUs (so that's my reasoning for preferring AMD CPUs, although my laptop is an XPS 9500 with an i7 10750H. That said, there are still some people that prefer chunky laptops (for gaming or engineering work, for example, and I think Intel has the edge on that.
Moreover, if Intel CPUs actually scale more linearly with TDP, it could also mean that next generation 10nm Intel desktop CPUs will actually be very competitive with AMD.
Well, they actually KINDA are right now on pure performance up to the i7 tier, but official pricing is a bit off, especially on the i9 CPUs.
But I'm excited for the competitiveness of CPU makers in late 2021/2022.
I'm am AMD fan, but no AMD shill (I actually have no AMD CPUs at home and no more AMD GPUs, so I'm excited for the general benefits that consumers will have thanks to a more competitive market.
And AMD shills should too, as Intel gaining back ground will mean better pricing from AMD, which has already shown that, being a huge corporation, is more than eager to increase prices when it can (look at 5600X vs 2600X.
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Bert
I tested prototypes of main frames in the end sixties/early seventies. The model, I used for testing peripherals, had 64 KB core memory (1 micro-second access time) and a 8-bits CPU, that calculated 32 bits integers in a 4 times 8-bit calculations. It could also calculate 64-bit integers in 8 strokes. The physical size of the main-frame was 1. 5 by 4 meters and 2. 5 meters high. On the bigger models we could use many many ASR/33 telexes at 110 bps (printing 10 chars/sec. Later we replaced those ASRs by CRT displays of 24 x 80 characters at 9600 bps (synchronous transmission, so a whopping 1200 chars/sec using a 1920 chars internal buffer. On external telephone lines we had to go back to 2400/4800 bps.
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I tested prototypes of main frames in the end sixties/early seventies. The model, I used for testing peripherals, had 64 KB core memory (1 micro-second access time) and a 8-bits CPU, that calculated 32 bits integers in a 4 times 8-bit calculations. It could also calculate 64-bit integers in 8 strokes. The physical size of the main-frame was 1. 5 by 4 meters and 2. 5 meters high. On the bigger models we could use many many ASR/33 telexes at 110 bps (printing 10 chars/sec. Later we replaced those ASRs by CRT displays of 24 x 80 characters at 9600 bps (synchronous transmission, so a whopping 1200 chars/sec using a 1920 chars internal buffer. On external telephone lines we had to go back to 2400/4800 bps.
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Victor
as long as the shortage of GPU's is the reality, you folks are loosing our time talking about them technologies. sorry. until GPU's are available to the normal consummer, not watching anymore of these videos or at the least not taking them seriously. We will see in 6 months time where all this madness will be?
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as long as the shortage of GPU's is the reality, you folks are loosing our time talking about them technologies. sorry. until GPU's are available to the normal consummer, not watching anymore of these videos or at the least not taking them seriously. We will see in 6 months time where all this madness will be?
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The 3000 series and the RX 6000 series imo are the worst generation in history these things will never sell for MSRP until the 4000 series and the RX 7000 launch and their stocks stabilize, think 2 years. I think in 2023 you will be able to buy something like an RTX 3080 for $700
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The 3000 series and the RX 6000 series imo are the worst generation in history these things will never sell for MSRP until the 4000 series and the RX 7000 launch and their stocks stabilize, think 2 years. I think in 2023 you will be able to buy something like an RTX 3080 for $700
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