Tiger Lake H Revealed, Ryzen 5000U On Battery, RTX 3050 GPUs, Q&A - The Full Nerd ep. 176
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Date: 2022-03-15
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Alexander
The U parts of AMD are specified for 15 Watts. I would send back the Ultralight if it sucked 40 Watts on battery power.
That Intel seems to have problems to produce a part that sucks 15 Watts while actually doing something is a different topic. ;-)
The H parts of both Intel and AMD are at 40 +- 5 Watts nominal. It should be no surprise that the performance of a Chip running at 40 Watts is higher than a chip running at 15 Watts.
The big surprise of Apple-s M1 was that their chip is running below 15 Watts and blows some desktop chips out of the water that run at over 60 Watts.
And of course a chip running at roughly 1 kilowatt will be faster than M1. ;-)
The APU laptops are not gaming machines.
The ultralights are built for people who are jumping from one meeting to the next in changing rooms.
Or for people working in a coffee shop or under a tree all day.
As foremost feature they need 10+ hours of battery running time. Not in idle, under -normal workload-. Whatever that might be.
For different tasks there are different products that make different trade-offs.
That is why I don-t like giving advice on what Laptop to buy. You need to know so much on what will happen with it.
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The U parts of AMD are specified for 15 Watts. I would send back the Ultralight if it sucked 40 Watts on battery power.
That Intel seems to have problems to produce a part that sucks 15 Watts while actually doing something is a different topic. ;-)
The H parts of both Intel and AMD are at 40 +- 5 Watts nominal. It should be no surprise that the performance of a Chip running at 40 Watts is higher than a chip running at 15 Watts.
The big surprise of Apple-s M1 was that their chip is running below 15 Watts and blows some desktop chips out of the water that run at over 60 Watts.
And of course a chip running at roughly 1 kilowatt will be faster than M1. ;-)
The APU laptops are not gaming machines.
The ultralights are built for people who are jumping from one meeting to the next in changing rooms.
Or for people working in a coffee shop or under a tree all day.
As foremost feature they need 10+ hours of battery running time. Not in idle, under -normal workload-. Whatever that might be.
For different tasks there are different products that make different trade-offs.
That is why I don-t like giving advice on what Laptop to buy. You need to know so much on what will happen with it.
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Syzerix
I don't know where exactly you got the idea from but the 1050 and 1050ti and 1650gddr6 and 1650ti were a lot faster than their predecessors. Like 50%-60% faster. So the 1650 gddr6 was like a 3gb 1060 and the 1050 was like a 960.
It looks like these 3050 and 3050ti ones will barely be beyond a 1060. 10-20% better at best. So the will situationally reach a 1660ti in performance. At best. With less vram.
You praise dlss as something good but here its clear nvidia is using dlss to pretend the cards are 40-50% faster than their predecessors. Turn off dlss and you'll see these failures of these cards.
Take a long hard look at these cards. They're not great
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I don't know where exactly you got the idea from but the 1050 and 1050ti and 1650gddr6 and 1650ti were a lot faster than their predecessors. Like 50%-60% faster. So the 1650 gddr6 was like a 3gb 1060 and the 1050 was like a 960.
It looks like these 3050 and 3050ti ones will barely be beyond a 1060. 10-20% better at best. So the will situationally reach a 1660ti in performance. At best. With less vram.
You praise dlss as something good but here its clear nvidia is using dlss to pretend the cards are 40-50% faster than their predecessors. Turn off dlss and you'll see these failures of these cards.
Take a long hard look at these cards. They're not great
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PE4Doers
WOW Aydam, you were great in this episode (I honestly liked your commentary. I hope nobody gets the wrong idea by me saying that however. The only hiccup was saying GIF wrong, but that is forgivable. I will not mention Gor-dan for obvious reasons. Also, people pronounce my last name 'Riviera' (link in the -French Riviera-) all the time, so I have have very little sympathy for name mispronunciations being Hispanic.
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WOW Aydam, you were great in this episode (I honestly liked your commentary. I hope nobody gets the wrong idea by me saying that however. The only hiccup was saying GIF wrong, but that is forgivable. I will not mention Gor-dan for obvious reasons. Also, people pronounce my last name 'Riviera' (link in the -French Riviera-) all the time, so I have have very little sympathy for name mispronunciations being Hispanic.
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TheSupremeGinge
about GIF. My friend Gil always tells me it's 'JIF', I told him if that's the case, his name is Jill. Also, you can tell intel I will never buy from them because they don't think i'm anyone. I've spent thousands of hours creating stuff in Cinema 4D (cinabench's daddy) on a Surface pro, pro2, and pro4. I can assure you, you can create some cool stuff on that tablet.
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about GIF. My friend Gil always tells me it's 'JIF', I told him if that's the case, his name is Jill. Also, you can tell intel I will never buy from them because they don't think i'm anyone. I've spent thousands of hours creating stuff in Cinema 4D (cinabench's daddy) on a Surface pro, pro2, and pro4. I can assure you, you can create some cool stuff on that tablet.
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TankQ
Intel is right. Performance on battery is important.
Many people work off site. Journalist, architects, engineers, archeologist, also usually travels to other states or countries. Have to solve problems on site, sometimes there is no outlet on the roof or lift shaft for example.
5900hs does not bad off power, big improvement over 4900hs.
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Intel is right. Performance on battery is important.
Many people work off site. Journalist, architects, engineers, archeologist, also usually travels to other states or countries. Have to solve problems on site, sometimes there is no outlet on the roof or lift shaft for example.
5900hs does not bad off power, big improvement over 4900hs.
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Yamil
That was just epic, Gordon. That rant was the best in a long time in The Full Nerd, you just lost it for a moment, haha. It's true though, it's tiring to hear people ask if something is faster than the M1 when the question itself is absurd in most situations, like in that RTX 3050 case.
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That was just epic, Gordon. That rant was the best in a long time in The Full Nerd, you just lost it for a moment, haha. It's true though, it's tiring to hear people ask if something is faster than the M1 when the question itself is absurd in most situations, like in that RTX 3050 case.
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Master
About time Intel! 24MB of L3 Cache is a welcome addition. Hopefully their desktop Alder Lake has that or more! AMD has been putting more L3 cache than Intel CPUs since Zen+ Era. Then drastically increased the L3 Cache even more with Zen 2.
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About time Intel! 24MB of L3 Cache is a welcome addition. Hopefully their desktop Alder Lake has that or more! AMD has been putting more L3 cache than Intel CPUs since Zen+ Era. Then drastically increased the L3 Cache even more with Zen 2.
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HitchSlappedUSA
Wow, how big is Gordon's head? His headset strap along the top looks like it was made for a 5 year old head. He must be very very smart because it takes a big head to hold a big brain.
Love you Gordon! Fan from the boot days.
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Wow, how big is Gordon's head? His headset strap along the top looks like it was made for a 5 year old head. He must be very very smart because it takes a big head to hold a big brain.
Love you Gordon! Fan from the boot days.
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ApplePotato
An interesting test would be to see if Intel's boost behavior depends on battery level. My guess is if you had a 50% charged battery the Intel boost behavior might not be as aggressive and you might see similar performance to AMD.
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An interesting test would be to see if Intel's boost behavior depends on battery level. My guess is if you had a 50% charged battery the Intel boost behavior might not be as aggressive and you might see similar performance to AMD.
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Julian
Honestly, when my laptop is on battery it's because I'm watching a movie or doing something dumb. I'm never trying to edit a video or do 3d modelling on battery. And even if I did, I've always known that unplugged performance is trash.
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Honestly, when my laptop is on battery it's because I'm watching a movie or doing something dumb. I'm never trying to edit a video or do 3d modelling on battery. And even if I did, I've always known that unplugged performance is trash.
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