Ryzen 5000 On Older Motherboards, Hope for Ryzen 5900X, RTX Ti Rumors, Q&A - The Full Nerd ep. 175
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Date: 2022-03-15
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magottyk
The dubious technical reasons for not supporting Ryzen 5000 on X370 may place some limits on the full potential of the zen 3 architecture, but those dubious technical limitations also apply to zen 2 based processors, e. g. Memory speeds, pcie 4, VRM communications.
Not only that but the updated min spec that applied to 400 series boards weren't updated for a zen 3 based future, nor even a zen 2 based future, but for zen+.
I've done a VRM comparison of many 300 and 400 series boards and there's no real difference as most of the boards particularly B350-B450 variants, more specifically the lower end B450 are still shitty specs.
PCB's use the same amount of layers. There might be some slightly better tracing layouts in 400 series boards, but it's hardly leaps and bounds and applies more to out of spec settings like overclocked memory, i. e faster than 3200MHz, but that's got more to do with the CPU's memory controller than the boards memory traces.
Even the 128 Mb bios excuse is dodgy as hell as there's a number of 500 series boards that still use 128 Mb bios chips.
The only difference between 300 and 400 series boards bios, is that they dropped official support for first gen (typically oem only apu's) Bristol ridge excavator based apu's on the 400 series, though it's board dependant if support is actually dropped as some 400 series boards did come with 256Mb bios chips.
X370 (and B350) retail boards were not released prior to Ryzen's launch, so there's very few that would need bristol ridge support, AM4 platforms already in the market utilizing bristol ridge processors were all major brand OEM only systems.
Enabling 5000 series processor support on 400 series boards is still the same dogs breakfast that it would have been on 300 series, except that 300 series board owners would have only been allowed a beta bios for select boards(use at own risk, while 400 series owners get an official bios for supposedly all boards including some with pretty shitty VRM's that get 5950X support, though you really don't want to overclock even mildly a 16 core CPU on these 4+2 phase B350 clones (they updated the series number to 450 job done) without some serious VRM cooling mods. Meanwhile a board like the x370 taichi, crosshair Vi, gaming K7, or gaming M7 AC isn't good enough for even a 5600X, though more than adequate for overclocking a 3950X.
Given that there may be some business or cheap home computers that utilize the bristol ridge based Athlon X4 940-970 retail box processors, it's highly unlikely that any of these would be running on an X370 board. There really isn't any excuse for intervening in stopping any board manufacturer from releasing an at your own risk beta bios for X370, in particular the more expensive top models with flashback.
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The dubious technical reasons for not supporting Ryzen 5000 on X370 may place some limits on the full potential of the zen 3 architecture, but those dubious technical limitations also apply to zen 2 based processors, e. g. Memory speeds, pcie 4, VRM communications.
Not only that but the updated min spec that applied to 400 series boards weren't updated for a zen 3 based future, nor even a zen 2 based future, but for zen+.
I've done a VRM comparison of many 300 and 400 series boards and there's no real difference as most of the boards particularly B350-B450 variants, more specifically the lower end B450 are still shitty specs.
PCB's use the same amount of layers. There might be some slightly better tracing layouts in 400 series boards, but it's hardly leaps and bounds and applies more to out of spec settings like overclocked memory, i. e faster than 3200MHz, but that's got more to do with the CPU's memory controller than the boards memory traces.
Even the 128 Mb bios excuse is dodgy as hell as there's a number of 500 series boards that still use 128 Mb bios chips.
The only difference between 300 and 400 series boards bios, is that they dropped official support for first gen (typically oem only apu's) Bristol ridge excavator based apu's on the 400 series, though it's board dependant if support is actually dropped as some 400 series boards did come with 256Mb bios chips.
X370 (and B350) retail boards were not released prior to Ryzen's launch, so there's very few that would need bristol ridge support, AM4 platforms already in the market utilizing bristol ridge processors were all major brand OEM only systems.
Enabling 5000 series processor support on 400 series boards is still the same dogs breakfast that it would have been on 300 series, except that 300 series board owners would have only been allowed a beta bios for select boards(use at own risk, while 400 series owners get an official bios for supposedly all boards including some with pretty shitty VRM's that get 5950X support, though you really don't want to overclock even mildly a 16 core CPU on these 4+2 phase B350 clones (they updated the series number to 450 job done) without some serious VRM cooling mods. Meanwhile a board like the x370 taichi, crosshair Vi, gaming K7, or gaming M7 AC isn't good enough for even a 5600X, though more than adequate for overclocking a 3950X.
Given that there may be some business or cheap home computers that utilize the bristol ridge based Athlon X4 940-970 retail box processors, it's highly unlikely that any of these would be running on an X370 board. There really isn't any excuse for intervening in stopping any board manufacturer from releasing an at your own risk beta bios for X370, in particular the more expensive top models with flashback.
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Nocturnal101
Alien as a movie series is like Resident Evil series, Alien was a much better movie than Aliens because it was Horror Noir in Space, Aliens was just a cash grab in a series where Investors or morons want to just dumb everything down and turn it into an action film(Don't get me wrong I like Both, Resident Evil Games were much better when they were Horror and Noir centric rather than dumb actionized games, if you don't like the slower paced Horror and Puzzle elements than you really aren't a Resident Evil fan, your a Call of Duty Zombies fan and need to go play that instead RE7 was simply a return to the original formula and done in a more brilliant way. Alien as a franchise became a victim of its success. Its also like Doom Eternal at its core its just another modern game but with a retro skin rather than what made Doom 2016 an amazing game which was the fact it was a retro game with a modern skin, Doom Eternal is and was made for hipsters that don't understand doom at its core at all, its just a single player game that they wanted to feel like the multiplayer experience always moving like retards, rather than positioning properly and using the environment to your advantage like line of sighting certain mobs and using doorways to funnel, Eternal was made repetitive and boring and easily overrated, just like the Last of Us 2 with a story written by a angsty High school student that never understood proper shock and horror and how to do proper characterization and narrative within the context of the environment you created, never seen such a hamfisted morality tale as screwed up to the point it becomes beyond any sense of relatable or realism and damn that was a lot of ex machina and plot armor just to make a half assed point. This is why Torment Planescape for 20 years is still the bar for doing it correctly.
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Alien as a movie series is like Resident Evil series, Alien was a much better movie than Aliens because it was Horror Noir in Space, Aliens was just a cash grab in a series where Investors or morons want to just dumb everything down and turn it into an action film(Don't get me wrong I like Both, Resident Evil Games were much better when they were Horror and Noir centric rather than dumb actionized games, if you don't like the slower paced Horror and Puzzle elements than you really aren't a Resident Evil fan, your a Call of Duty Zombies fan and need to go play that instead RE7 was simply a return to the original formula and done in a more brilliant way. Alien as a franchise became a victim of its success. Its also like Doom Eternal at its core its just another modern game but with a retro skin rather than what made Doom 2016 an amazing game which was the fact it was a retro game with a modern skin, Doom Eternal is and was made for hipsters that don't understand doom at its core at all, its just a single player game that they wanted to feel like the multiplayer experience always moving like retards, rather than positioning properly and using the environment to your advantage like line of sighting certain mobs and using doorways to funnel, Eternal was made repetitive and boring and easily overrated, just like the Last of Us 2 with a story written by a angsty High school student that never understood proper shock and horror and how to do proper characterization and narrative within the context of the environment you created, never seen such a hamfisted morality tale as screwed up to the point it becomes beyond any sense of relatable or realism and damn that was a lot of ex machina and plot armor just to make a half assed point. This is why Torment Planescape for 20 years is still the bar for doing it correctly.
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Munchy
The 5900x is price right the x5950 is the Xtreme top end CPU and the new epic when it comes. X5900 is the top end consumer CPU and personally I think a bit cheaper would make it a bargain but at 500 pounds it's still expensive for a none creative enthusiast but it's what I'll go for. Funny how if intel didn't remove hyperthreading from the old i7 I'd hav been happy with 8 core and 8 threads at 300 UK pounds. That's the reason I'm moving and and I have loved my reliability intel gave me ever since the 6600 go step quad core. Just holding and CPUs and motherboards run reliably. Still the 5900x is in UK now but I'm thinking I might wait to see the next Genna's it's not too far away now. Roll on the ddr5 6900x. Hopefully it'll up gaming performance and have onboard you for emergency. Love your show but Gordon shush plse don't give and any ideas your just Gona hurt consumers if they hear you.
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The 5900x is price right the x5950 is the Xtreme top end CPU and the new epic when it comes. X5900 is the top end consumer CPU and personally I think a bit cheaper would make it a bargain but at 500 pounds it's still expensive for a none creative enthusiast but it's what I'll go for. Funny how if intel didn't remove hyperthreading from the old i7 I'd hav been happy with 8 core and 8 threads at 300 UK pounds. That's the reason I'm moving and and I have loved my reliability intel gave me ever since the 6600 go step quad core. Just holding and CPUs and motherboards run reliably. Still the 5900x is in UK now but I'm thinking I might wait to see the next Genna's it's not too far away now. Roll on the ddr5 6900x. Hopefully it'll up gaming performance and have onboard you for emergency. Love your show but Gordon shush plse don't give and any ideas your just Gona hurt consumers if they hear you.
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SuperLotus
I'm budget minded, but I think the prices for new Ryzen were fair. At the same time, I might have chosen 10850k for $330 rather than 5800x for $450 (assuming cost of cooling and motherboard were the same. Recently, I saw the 5800x for $430 at Micro Center so that's an interesting development. Maybe supply is catching up to demand for CPUs and/or Intel is more competitive with pricing. I ended up buckling and getting a prebuilt bc I need a PC (including GPU) for other things than gaming.
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I'm budget minded, but I think the prices for new Ryzen were fair. At the same time, I might have chosen 10850k for $330 rather than 5800x for $450 (assuming cost of cooling and motherboard were the same. Recently, I saw the 5800x for $430 at Micro Center so that's an interesting development. Maybe supply is catching up to demand for CPUs and/or Intel is more competitive with pricing. I ended up buckling and getting a prebuilt bc I need a PC (including GPU) for other things than gaming.
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itech
False Positive is a necessary term in mathematics. I had to learn about it to understand sensitivity, specificity and accuracy at medical school. You can-t understand medical tests without knowing it & medical stuff is en vogue currently. Just -wrong- wouldn-t be sufficient. Lots of medical terms have entered the general lexicon. At-least the meaning hasn-t changed. Contrast this to something like -herd immunity-, which now rarely means the same as the original term.
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False Positive is a necessary term in mathematics. I had to learn about it to understand sensitivity, specificity and accuracy at medical school. You can-t understand medical tests without knowing it & medical stuff is en vogue currently. Just -wrong- wouldn-t be sufficient. Lots of medical terms have entered the general lexicon. At-least the meaning hasn-t changed. Contrast this to something like -herd immunity-, which now rarely means the same as the original term.
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cookstarr
I game a lot but when I'm not gaming. I have my gpu mining on the side. it helps pay off the cost of the card. it's Extra value and now there taking that Option away. When the time come that I need a upgrade I will go with the company that gives me the most valuable and options and the means keeping mining Enabled. I'm not Company loyal. And I don't think I'm the only person who thinks that. Ty and have a nice day.
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I game a lot but when I'm not gaming. I have my gpu mining on the side. it helps pay off the cost of the card. it's Extra value and now there taking that Option away. When the time come that I need a upgrade I will go with the company that gives me the most valuable and options and the means keeping mining Enabled. I'm not Company loyal. And I don't think I'm the only person who thinks that. Ty and have a nice day.
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digitalsanpedro
Couldn't disagree more with decoupling price from performance. It's the most important thing when considering buying something for most people. It's not about judging the value from one person to the other, it's about judging value from one product to another. If we didn't judge by both price and performance then the only recommendations are the very best parts.
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Couldn't disagree more with decoupling price from performance. It's the most important thing when considering buying something for most people. It's not about judging the value from one person to the other, it's about judging value from one product to another. If we didn't judge by both price and performance then the only recommendations are the very best parts.
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Hugsy
Nvidia are selling GPU dies directly to mining farms. -
Releasing cards with a limiter only hurts gamers who want to make a bit of money back from their overpriced card, and hurts the 2nd hand market once mining crashes.
Nvidia are happy to sell to miners, but don't want to have those card sales reach the 2nd hand market. Something something cake eating.
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Nvidia are selling GPU dies directly to mining farms. -
Releasing cards with a limiter only hurts gamers who want to make a bit of money back from their overpriced card, and hurts the 2nd hand market once mining crashes.
Nvidia are happy to sell to miners, but don't want to have those card sales reach the 2nd hand market. Something something cake eating.
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General
Gordon, you want to win the internet? Instead of stars passing in the background, have a Battlestar floating by, or better yet a space battle. It would be hysterical. Also integrate your headphones into a proper Star Wars X- wing helmet. Do that and I will forgive you for thinking the Empire is the good guys.
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Gordon, you want to win the internet? Instead of stars passing in the background, have a Battlestar floating by, or better yet a space battle. It would be hysterical. Also integrate your headphones into a proper Star Wars X- wing helmet. Do that and I will forgive you for thinking the Empire is the good guys.
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Jambs
I feel that one major reason why supplies in taiwan are slowing down and dwindling and tech journalist seems to be skipping the fact that china is about to invade taiwan, pray for taiwan.
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I feel that one major reason why supplies in taiwan are slowing down and dwindling and tech journalist seems to be skipping the fact that china is about to invade taiwan, pray for taiwan.
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