World-s Most Dangerous Exercises! (BTN PRESS)
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Date: 2022-04-22
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takatsu5
I always look at Jeff's Iron Graveyard exercises to see if they have a real world analogs. Naturally, compound exercises are exaggerations of real world movements, but the basic components are there. For example, if you've ever moved, the deadlift movement is similar to picking up a box of books from the floor. For several millennia humans have either needed to place something overhead or reach overhead to pull something down/pull themselves up. There is no normal human movement that requires humans to reach behind their head and push something up. Additionally, when it comes to another iron graveyard exercise, the upright row, there is no real world analog. If I'm going to put a can of tomatoes on the shelf in the pantry, the can will be in front of me, my hand will not be internally rotated, and my elbow will be below my wrist.
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I always look at Jeff's Iron Graveyard exercises to see if they have a real world analogs. Naturally, compound exercises are exaggerations of real world movements, but the basic components are there. For example, if you've ever moved, the deadlift movement is similar to picking up a box of books from the floor. For several millennia humans have either needed to place something overhead or reach overhead to pull something down/pull themselves up. There is no normal human movement that requires humans to reach behind their head and push something up. Additionally, when it comes to another iron graveyard exercise, the upright row, there is no real world analog. If I'm going to put a can of tomatoes on the shelf in the pantry, the can will be in front of me, my hand will not be internally rotated, and my elbow will be below my wrist.
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Heath
Back in the late 80s, I bought a copy of Arnold's Encyclopedia and a subscription to Muscle & Fitness and I was on my way. Within a couple of years, I was doing 275 lb seated behind the neck presses, 365 flared-elbow bench presses, and behind the neck pull downs with 300 lbs. No steroids, just lots of work, food, and youthful dumbness. At age 51, I wish that I could have had access to your video in the 80s, Jeff, because my shoulders crack and hurt all the time. I still train, but a 65x5 dumbbell press is now difficult.
The muscle mags, and their internet equivalents today, need to produce content, so they create controversies where there are none. I've seen dozens of recent of articles and videos that are telling me that it's OK to do behind the neck presses and pull downs. They are wrong.
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Back in the late 80s, I bought a copy of Arnold's Encyclopedia and a subscription to Muscle & Fitness and I was on my way. Within a couple of years, I was doing 275 lb seated behind the neck presses, 365 flared-elbow bench presses, and behind the neck pull downs with 300 lbs. No steroids, just lots of work, food, and youthful dumbness. At age 51, I wish that I could have had access to your video in the 80s, Jeff, because my shoulders crack and hurt all the time. I still train, but a 65x5 dumbbell press is now difficult.
The muscle mags, and their internet equivalents today, need to produce content, so they create controversies where there are none. I've seen dozens of recent of articles and videos that are telling me that it's OK to do behind the neck presses and pull downs. They are wrong.
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coolkidontheblock
Hi Jeff,
I personally am a fan of BTN press. I've had a SLAP tear in my right shoulder for years, and ironically, I find that the BTN press has actually helped my shoulder feel better. One caveat I was given by online Olympic weightlifting sources when doing the exercise, however, is that my shoulder blades must be retracted completely when performing this exercise. I found this to mitigate any issues that I had when I didn't actively retract my shoulder blades. However, I'm not a kinesiologist, nor do I have any formal education in biology besides high school, so could you give some insight into the alleged benefit of retracting your shoulder blades when doing the BTN press?
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Hi Jeff,
I personally am a fan of BTN press. I've had a SLAP tear in my right shoulder for years, and ironically, I find that the BTN press has actually helped my shoulder feel better. One caveat I was given by online Olympic weightlifting sources when doing the exercise, however, is that my shoulder blades must be retracted completely when performing this exercise. I found this to mitigate any issues that I had when I didn't actively retract my shoulder blades. However, I'm not a kinesiologist, nor do I have any formal education in biology besides high school, so could you give some insight into the alleged benefit of retracting your shoulder blades when doing the BTN press?
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Johan
The plane of the scap switches with the position of the scapula. Most people retract the scapula when doing behind the neck press so its not like you actually do it in totaly different planes. Maybe slightly. The way you show it makes one believe that the scap is a fixed body part and sits the same and all motion are you moving your arms back. But its off course realy bad for you if you cant rectrat the scapula. The problem is that the acromion sits in an angle backwars down so if the arm is far back behind the plane of the scap the tubercle and the tendons will grind upp trought a knife edge. So you should check yourself before you reck youself.
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The plane of the scap switches with the position of the scapula. Most people retract the scapula when doing behind the neck press so its not like you actually do it in totaly different planes. Maybe slightly. The way you show it makes one believe that the scap is a fixed body part and sits the same and all motion are you moving your arms back. But its off course realy bad for you if you cant rectrat the scapula. The problem is that the acromion sits in an angle backwars down so if the arm is far back behind the plane of the scap the tubercle and the tendons will grind upp trought a knife edge. So you should check yourself before you reck youself.
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John
The behind the neck is a great exercise! Some people just don-t have the shoulders or flexibility to do so its not a work out for everyone and if you don-t have the body or flexibility for it will no from the first rep. But I-ve been doing it for 16 years and I press 100 lbs behind the neck and have massive shoulders and traps from doing so but I do know people that have been hurt doing it. So like I said before it-s not for everyone and you-ll know if it-s not for you so don-t speak for everyone.
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The behind the neck is a great exercise! Some people just don-t have the shoulders or flexibility to do so its not a work out for everyone and if you don-t have the body or flexibility for it will no from the first rep. But I-ve been doing it for 16 years and I press 100 lbs behind the neck and have massive shoulders and traps from doing so but I do know people that have been hurt doing it. So like I said before it-s not for everyone and you-ll know if it-s not for you so don-t speak for everyone.
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kh
So the shoulder should not function 0-180 in the frontal plane? That's essentially what you're saying? Pick up any orthopaedic text book. 180 degrees abduction is what healthy shoulders can do.
Pain is an excellent indicator of structural trauma (except in cases of chronic pain. Keeping it light will allow optimal scapulae control and minimise excessive tissue strain.
I see far more injuries in clinic due to bench pressing than overhead pressing. Stick that in the exercise graveyard instead.
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So the shoulder should not function 0-180 in the frontal plane? That's essentially what you're saying? Pick up any orthopaedic text book. 180 degrees abduction is what healthy shoulders can do.
Pain is an excellent indicator of structural trauma (except in cases of chronic pain. Keeping it light will allow optimal scapulae control and minimise excessive tissue strain.
I see far more injuries in clinic due to bench pressing than overhead pressing. Stick that in the exercise graveyard instead.
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zachary
I've got a really bad pain between the shoulder blades. I have had it for months and it's been keeping me from gains. I can't fix it. it happened during a trapezius excerise while I was on the pull up bar. your videos have helped me alot to slow down and really focus. what movement could I do to start addressing the problem safely? do I need learn how to post videos to show how I messed myself up?
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I've got a really bad pain between the shoulder blades. I have had it for months and it's been keeping me from gains. I can't fix it. it happened during a trapezius excerise while I was on the pull up bar. your videos have helped me alot to slow down and really focus. what movement could I do to start addressing the problem safely? do I need learn how to post videos to show how I messed myself up?
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cobo4
Wow Jeff! You just taught me something new about this exercise. My trainer told me that type of exercise is good! But you just taught me to do that kind of exercise a more different, better, and safer way. I'm definitely going to listen to you from now on. Every recommendation you make in these videos, I will perform them in my own training. Thank you for this lesson.
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Wow Jeff! You just taught me something new about this exercise. My trainer told me that type of exercise is good! But you just taught me to do that kind of exercise a more different, better, and safer way. I'm definitely going to listen to you from now on. Every recommendation you make in these videos, I will perform them in my own training. Thank you for this lesson.
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ATGtoOverhead
I believe that strict btn press is dangerous, no questioning about that. Especially with a grip as narrow as overhead press. But is a snatch-grip btn push press/jerk dangerous too? With a snatch-grip the range of motion is far less and with a added push/jerk from the legs it deloads the bottom of the movement. What are your thougths Jeff?
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I believe that strict btn press is dangerous, no questioning about that. Especially with a grip as narrow as overhead press. But is a snatch-grip btn push press/jerk dangerous too? With a snatch-grip the range of motion is far less and with a added push/jerk from the legs it deloads the bottom of the movement. What are your thougths Jeff?
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athleanx
Some say dont do any overhead presses. You say do them as long as your elbows remain in front. Who are we to
believe anymore. So youre saying military presses and arnold DB presses are ok because your elbows are in front and not
to the side. Can someone clearify. Either overhead presses of any kind are safe or they are not. Which is it?
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Some say dont do any overhead presses. You say do them as long as your elbows remain in front. Who are we to
believe anymore. So youre saying military presses and arnold DB presses are ok because your elbows are in front and not
to the side. Can someone clearify. Either overhead presses of any kind are safe or they are not. Which is it?
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