How do you plan for 46 million people?
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Even today much of delhi and the surrounding regions are either unorganized slums, or just rows on rows of apartment blocks and other commercial real estate, pretty much designed with nothing but profit in my mind.
And of course public transportation is severely lacking, so are the roads, and congestion ad pollution and so on.
Just because Delhi will soon be the largest city in the world, doesnt mean its actually an advanced industrialized city like tokyo, with the capability to support that large population. And cannot be equally compared as such.
much like in many poorer nations around the world, does it really even count if you have a lot of people but you cant actually support them?
should slums and shanty towns even be considered as 'urbanized' or developed land?
Ultimately india is still not a developed or fully industrialized nation like those in the west or in japan or korea.
Sure it has a lot of population, but a large population means little if you are not able to properly support or utilize it.
Date: 2022-03-31
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Krishnan
The problem is less with Delhi and more with the lack of growth in adjacent states. So the hordes just stream in. There is a tipping point beyond which a city will simply collapse under its own weight.
Each of the neighbouring states you mentioned are among the poorest states in India marked by a dearth of rooted investment. Hopefully, it will change. The problem is not just absent urban planning; it is also highly centralized economic management. Give the states more room to grow, and the pressure on Delhi will wear off.
Wanna relieve Delhi? Start with the Lucknow, Jaipur, Patna and Bhopal. No amount of city planning can save a city from collapsing due to poor economic management. Bengaluru used to be India s main retirement town renowned for its parks and leafy ambience courtesy one Mr. Cubbon. I. T. happened, Chennai and Kerala threw out all their brains; and today you have a sprawling mess in Bengaluru as well. The story of life, it seems.
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The problem is less with Delhi and more with the lack of growth in adjacent states. So the hordes just stream in. There is a tipping point beyond which a city will simply collapse under its own weight.
Each of the neighbouring states you mentioned are among the poorest states in India marked by a dearth of rooted investment. Hopefully, it will change. The problem is not just absent urban planning; it is also highly centralized economic management. Give the states more room to grow, and the pressure on Delhi will wear off.
Wanna relieve Delhi? Start with the Lucknow, Jaipur, Patna and Bhopal. No amount of city planning can save a city from collapsing due to poor economic management. Bengaluru used to be India s main retirement town renowned for its parks and leafy ambience courtesy one Mr. Cubbon. I. T. happened, Chennai and Kerala threw out all their brains; and today you have a sprawling mess in Bengaluru as well. The story of life, it seems.
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perfectally
I am finding those world's largest cities lists very confusing. It appears to be missing two of the world's largest urban centers, the Pearl River region, and Jakarta. Also, there are many cities bigger than those 2018 figures for Osaka and Dhaka, including other figures for Dhaka itself, and places like Lagos and New York. The about 20 million people zone is really crowded these days, and will the inability of many governments to conduct accurate censuses, it's doing the lying with statistics thing to present falsely precise numbers for populations of cities that change rapidly.
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I am finding those world's largest cities lists very confusing. It appears to be missing two of the world's largest urban centers, the Pearl River region, and Jakarta. Also, there are many cities bigger than those 2018 figures for Osaka and Dhaka, including other figures for Dhaka itself, and places like Lagos and New York. The about 20 million people zone is really crowded these days, and will the inability of many governments to conduct accurate censuses, it's doing the lying with statistics thing to present falsely precise numbers for populations of cities that change rapidly.
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Live
i think you misunderstand, the planning you mentioned was done for the central government district only. The rest of the city and most of the outskirts, is just ad-hoc development. Building wherever land is available.
i dont think there is much of a plan to begin with.
Just endless sprawl of either slums, or rows of apartment blocks and commercial real estate, that are their own property developments with gated communities, that are independent of each other.
There is barely any central planning to any of it. Mostly just build wherever cheapest i guess.
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i think you misunderstand, the planning you mentioned was done for the central government district only. The rest of the city and most of the outskirts, is just ad-hoc development. Building wherever land is available.
i dont think there is much of a plan to begin with.
Just endless sprawl of either slums, or rows of apartment blocks and commercial real estate, that are their own property developments with gated communities, that are independent of each other.
There is barely any central planning to any of it. Mostly just build wherever cheapest i guess.
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Live
Just because Delhi will soon be the largest city in the world, doesnt mean its actually an advanced industrialized city like tokyo with the capability to support that large population. much like in many poorer nations around the world, does it really even count if you have a lot of people but you cant actually support them? should slums and shanty towns even be considered as 'urbanized' or developed land?
Ultimately india is still not a developed nation like those in the west or in japan or korea. And as such cannot be compared evenly.
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Just because Delhi will soon be the largest city in the world, doesnt mean its actually an advanced industrialized city like tokyo with the capability to support that large population. much like in many poorer nations around the world, does it really even count if you have a lot of people but you cant actually support them? should slums and shanty towns even be considered as 'urbanized' or developed land?
Ultimately india is still not a developed nation like those in the west or in japan or korea. And as such cannot be compared evenly.
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Shiv
Urban Land Ceiling Act ruined Delhi and almost killed property rights. Delhi tried to parcel land equally to everyone and tried to ban sales outright. That law was scrapped sometime in the 90s and that's how Haus Khan was able to be gentrified.
Indians cities are a great example of planning and land use policy failures. They actually make for a great case study.
You should consider making a video on Mumbai. That city has its own challenges, it needs both roads and transit.
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Urban Land Ceiling Act ruined Delhi and almost killed property rights. Delhi tried to parcel land equally to everyone and tried to ban sales outright. That law was scrapped sometime in the 90s and that's how Haus Khan was able to be gentrified.
Indians cities are a great example of planning and land use policy failures. They actually make for a great case study.
You should consider making a video on Mumbai. That city has its own challenges, it needs both roads and transit.
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Live
This is india we are talking about, since when is there ever any serious planning done at any level? for the most part its just 'ad hoc' development.
whatever works to bring in the most money with the cheapest investment.
Politicians dont care for city planning, all they care about is publicity and gaining votes, so why do anything beyond making fantastical promises to masses of people who don't know any better.
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This is india we are talking about, since when is there ever any serious planning done at any level? for the most part its just 'ad hoc' development.
whatever works to bring in the most money with the cheapest investment.
Politicians dont care for city planning, all they care about is publicity and gaining votes, so why do anything beyond making fantastical promises to masses of people who don't know any better.
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darkwoodmovies
Why do some cities' populations get measured by the size of the metro area, whereas others get measured only by the size of the city proper? E. g. Tokyo metro has 37 mil, but the actual city itself is only 13. 5 million. But the reports on other cities, like New York, only report the city itself. The metro has 20 million, but all the charts are comparing 8 million to the other metros.
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Why do some cities' populations get measured by the size of the metro area, whereas others get measured only by the size of the city proper? E. g. Tokyo metro has 37 mil, but the actual city itself is only 13. 5 million. But the reports on other cities, like New York, only report the city itself. The metro has 20 million, but all the charts are comparing 8 million to the other metros.
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EcoCodex
I find it funny, and a little scary, how people can say British Colonial Empire and not grasp the huge amount of oppression, enslavement, murder, and brutality that went on during those times.
EDIT: Y'all need to calm down. Nobody asked him to go into great detail about Britians past, I was just making a comment about the term, and how it sounds like Darth Vader's wet dream. So chill.
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I find it funny, and a little scary, how people can say British Colonial Empire and not grasp the huge amount of oppression, enslavement, murder, and brutality that went on during those times.
EDIT: Y'all need to calm down. Nobody asked him to go into great detail about Britians past, I was just making a comment about the term, and how it sounds like Darth Vader's wet dream. So chill.
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Edward
SMH. typical government hubris, trying to plan the economy. The economy must grow organically. you cannot force a city to exist and draw people in. Look at Burma's new capital city, Naypyidaw, or any of China's ghost cities, or even the road systems of Pyongyang, capital of North Korea. Economics is organic, and doesn't bow down to some bureaucrat's pretty plans.
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SMH. typical government hubris, trying to plan the economy. The economy must grow organically. you cannot force a city to exist and draw people in. Look at Burma's new capital city, Naypyidaw, or any of China's ghost cities, or even the road systems of Pyongyang, capital of North Korea. Economics is organic, and doesn't bow down to some bureaucrat's pretty plans.
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