Transit Oriented Development, Explained
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Date: 2022-04-30
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Matthew
The Orange Line is Arlington is pretty great, especially now that the Silver goes through it too (and the blue goes out to Rosslyn. Unfortunately, once it goes above ground into Fairfax County, with the exception of the newly in-filled & developed Dunn Loring station, the stations are basically just giant parking deserts. Vienna/Fairfax has recently started developing more housing, but only housing, so there's no real community, no retail or service, no sense of place. And plenty of parking. So, they've basically made somewhat dense housing that's still essentially car-centric. I keep seeing talk about putting in mixed-use stuff at Fairfax, but that can keeps getting kicked down the road.
They've gone and built some denser new developments in the City of Fairfax. but they've added huge parking garages & haven't bolstered the bus service in any way. And they're far enough away from each other and from cultural stuff, that people who live there have to drive to get anywhere So, it's just creating more traffic.
They're trying. but they're doing everything in these ineffective half-measures.
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The Orange Line is Arlington is pretty great, especially now that the Silver goes through it too (and the blue goes out to Rosslyn. Unfortunately, once it goes above ground into Fairfax County, with the exception of the newly in-filled & developed Dunn Loring station, the stations are basically just giant parking deserts. Vienna/Fairfax has recently started developing more housing, but only housing, so there's no real community, no retail or service, no sense of place. And plenty of parking. So, they've basically made somewhat dense housing that's still essentially car-centric. I keep seeing talk about putting in mixed-use stuff at Fairfax, but that can keeps getting kicked down the road.
They've gone and built some denser new developments in the City of Fairfax. but they've added huge parking garages & haven't bolstered the bus service in any way. And they're far enough away from each other and from cultural stuff, that people who live there have to drive to get anywhere So, it's just creating more traffic.
They're trying. but they're doing everything in these ineffective half-measures.
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ghost
Fantastic video. I ve been fascinated by Orenco Station since I first learned about it in the mid 2000s. As a resident of the Portland metro area, I even looked into it when I was house hunting several years back. In my opinion, it s a cool idea that isn t quite there yet. There s not a very diverse mix of retail and food options. It s like, a Starbucks, a couple of upper scale dining restaurants, a Whole Foods and I don t even know what else. Maybe it has changed since I ve been there, but I think they need more grocery, retail and dining options that would appeal to a broader income demographic. As it stands, it s a neat, shiny little neighborhood that feels more like a movie set than a real community, but I still believe in the project and I look forward to seeing it evolve
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Fantastic video. I ve been fascinated by Orenco Station since I first learned about it in the mid 2000s. As a resident of the Portland metro area, I even looked into it when I was house hunting several years back. In my opinion, it s a cool idea that isn t quite there yet. There s not a very diverse mix of retail and food options. It s like, a Starbucks, a couple of upper scale dining restaurants, a Whole Foods and I don t even know what else. Maybe it has changed since I ve been there, but I think they need more grocery, retail and dining options that would appeal to a broader income demographic. As it stands, it s a neat, shiny little neighborhood that feels more like a movie set than a real community, but I still believe in the project and I look forward to seeing it evolve
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Henri
Years ago my cousin lived in a community in South Western Holland. The subdivision was encircled by a train in such a way that 90% of the homes were within 200m of a transit stop. This train then went to the main station in Den Haag and from there the world. I was told that less than 70% of the homes did not own a car, because they did not need one. So it was not just ONE stop but rather a loop through the entire subdivision (mixed use) including all of it.
Also, while this is very cool, one of the obstacles is the car culture of North America regardless. I expect users will take a walkable community and somehow jam their cars into it.
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Years ago my cousin lived in a community in South Western Holland. The subdivision was encircled by a train in such a way that 90% of the homes were within 200m of a transit stop. This train then went to the main station in Den Haag and from there the world. I was told that less than 70% of the homes did not own a car, because they did not need one. So it was not just ONE stop but rather a loop through the entire subdivision (mixed use) including all of it.
Also, while this is very cool, one of the obstacles is the car culture of North America regardless. I expect users will take a walkable community and somehow jam their cars into it.
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revelwoodie
The most important thing you need for neighborhoods like this? Staple businesses in the walkable area. Especially food oriented businesses - bakeries, grocers, etc. If someone MUST drive every time they need a tomato, they're going to own (and park) a car. If food stores, a post office, medical/dental offices, beauty salons, restaurants/cafes, liquor stores, convenience stores, etc are all within a few blocks, people will walk. And it's not just an emissions issue. It's a quality of life issue. People want to live in neighborhoods, not just a parking lot for housing units.
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The most important thing you need for neighborhoods like this? Staple businesses in the walkable area. Especially food oriented businesses - bakeries, grocers, etc. If someone MUST drive every time they need a tomato, they're going to own (and park) a car. If food stores, a post office, medical/dental offices, beauty salons, restaurants/cafes, liquor stores, convenience stores, etc are all within a few blocks, people will walk. And it's not just an emissions issue. It's a quality of life issue. People want to live in neighborhoods, not just a parking lot for housing units.
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God
These principles are true, my college built a big fancy bus depot in the middle of campus, they gave everyone (well forced them to buy with tuition) bus passes, but ridership is still really bad. Because the bus stops are too far from people's suburban houses. I've got a bus that goes by me and it's almost as fast as driving, I've had the bus catch up to me in my car.
BUT. the stop is just over a half mile from my house so I haven't ridden it once in 2 years. Whoops!
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These principles are true, my college built a big fancy bus depot in the middle of campus, they gave everyone (well forced them to buy with tuition) bus passes, but ridership is still really bad. Because the bus stops are too far from people's suburban houses. I've got a bus that goes by me and it's almost as fast as driving, I've had the bus catch up to me in my car.
BUT. the stop is just over a half mile from my house so I haven't ridden it once in 2 years. Whoops!
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Parker
the greater salt lake area that i live in seems to be slowly making these changes. more mid rise condo's are popping up near our light rail line. which i read that draper county (where i live) has a bill in place that allows for unlimited density within a certain radious around a transit hub, as you mentioned. watching these videos always makes me realize that utah is suprisingly good on public transit compared to other places
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the greater salt lake area that i live in seems to be slowly making these changes. more mid rise condo's are popping up near our light rail line. which i read that draper county (where i live) has a bill in place that allows for unlimited density within a certain radious around a transit hub, as you mentioned. watching these videos always makes me realize that utah is suprisingly good on public transit compared to other places
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Dre
TOD is what honestly brings people together. Living in Downtown Miami, I love living next to a light rail station because I have OPTIONS on getting from place to place vs being dependent on a vehicle. Let s get out of the vehicles and get back to being a COMMUNITY.
Disclaimer: Cities know you will be saving money by not necessarily NEEDING a vehicle so usually they jack the rents ASTRONOMICALLY in theses TOD zones.
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TOD is what honestly brings people together. Living in Downtown Miami, I love living next to a light rail station because I have OPTIONS on getting from place to place vs being dependent on a vehicle. Let s get out of the vehicles and get back to being a COMMUNITY.
Disclaimer: Cities know you will be saving money by not necessarily NEEDING a vehicle so usually they jack the rents ASTRONOMICALLY in theses TOD zones.
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Davidty
In london good chunk of the places on the Metropolitan line were housing development built by the station and sold off back pre WW2.
They adverted it as Metroland and mainly was for people who wanted to get out of the busy city but still have an easy commute in by chance increasing ridership.
The Green countryside that was advertised didn't last long since every station started looking like edgeware.
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In london good chunk of the places on the Metropolitan line were housing development built by the station and sold off back pre WW2.
They adverted it as Metroland and mainly was for people who wanted to get out of the busy city but still have an easy commute in by chance increasing ridership.
The Green countryside that was advertised didn't last long since every station started looking like edgeware.
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zakius
there's also psychological uncomfort coming from unbalance between riding the transit time and walking time, if your public transport trip is shorter than your walk to and from stops it feels really bad, doesn't it? that's pretty much the case for my office: I ride a tram for less than 20 minutes but sometimes the whole trip takes over an hour due to waiting for the tram and all the walking
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there's also psychological uncomfort coming from unbalance between riding the transit time and walking time, if your public transport trip is shorter than your walk to and from stops it feels really bad, doesn't it? that's pretty much the case for my office: I ride a tram for less than 20 minutes but sometimes the whole trip takes over an hour due to waiting for the tram and all the walking
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